Jae iLL said:
First of all, do you really think that after the Americans pull out Iraq will magically stablize itself and the insurgents will just pack up and jump ship?
Of course not and it didn’t happen in S. Vietnam either. Do you honestly think that by having the US in Iraq we are going to magically stabilize the country and the insurgents will just pack up and jump ship?
Either way there will be violence but, my point is that it’s better for the Iraqi’s to deal with these issues themselves rather than have an Imperialist Military attempt to do it for them which only makes matters worse.
I think you’re not calculating the reasons we are in Iraq. The purpose of our troops being in Iraq is not to set up a democracy for the Iraqi people; they are there to exploit their resources and future economy, among other things I pointed out above.
There is no way we can set up a timeline and say, ok, we’ll pull out and leave everything up to you. It’s not going to happen. The US will be there as long as they can make a profit or until the negative effects of war become so great that they are forced to leave (i.e., a mass anti-war movement in the US, similar to Vietnam which ended the Vietnam war).
IMO, the ONLY way for Iraq to advance is by a mass movement by the Iraqi people, which could overcome ethnic tension by fighting for the interests of all oppressed people and form an Iraqi government of workers to bring the oil into public ownership under democratic control which would provide the money necessary to build roads, housing, schools, and provide healthcare, food, and jobs. This cannot be accomplished by having the oil controlled by foreign powers or a small elite group.
The longer we are in Iraq the farther away this reality becomes. Not only that, the extreme Right-Wing Islamist militant groups grows and gains more power.
The Iraqi people have the democratic right to determine their own future and form their own government, independent of the U.S. The US currently sides with certain Iraqi “leaders” and influences their decisions on how to run the country. It’s very undemocratic.
Over 700 Iraqi soldier and police have been killed.
Exactly. Why? Because they are viewed as working with the Americans, which they are.
If the Americans leave now the insurgents will run wild in a country already in chaos.
The country is in chaos and will always be in chaos as long as the US is occupying their land. The same arguements were made in Veitnam and we were NEVER able to secure it.
Sadly, the country cannot rebuild itself without a major military presence.
Yes it can.
None of Iraq's key assets are secure. The roads can't be traveled; therefore, cannot be repaired, and the oil pipeline keeps getting blown the fuck up.
And this is because of the US. Let the people of Iraq deal with this. There are already mass movements forming in Iraq. The Iraqi's want their country and they will fight/protest/march or whatever to have it. With the US out, they can accomplish this democratically.
"When you and anyone else says that the US needs to stay in Iraq, you are accepting that the future of Iraq should be decided by foreign powers which denies the democratic right of self-determination of the Iraqi people." - 2-0-Sixx
