ioish & 2-0-Sixx > christians
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does or can science measure why people do bad things? Whether they believe a God exists or not? People who believe in God or what have you do bad things. Some better, some worse. Jeffrey Dahmer for instance killed a grip of people and mutilated them yet realized that he was an infinitely sinful man and devoted his life to Christ and repented of his desire to kill people before he himself was killed. Science doesn't really offer any explanation and neurologists can't find any difference in serial killers brains a lot of the time unless they were severly abused.
Actually you're wrong on everything you just posted. There has been a shitload of research on serial killers and most all have similar characteristics (you're talking about psychology here). With all the shit about serial killers on TV, I'm surprised you don't know this already.
As for your question, "Does or can science measure why people do bad things?"
The word "bad" is subjective. What is bad to you might not be bad to me. You have to be more specific.
As for your question, "Does or can science measure why people do bad things?"
The word "bad" is subjective. What is bad to you might not be bad to me. You have to be more specific.
Iaoish and 2-0, you're picking points of my arguement to attack without taking it in whole.
Before I start... Religion doesn't create caste systems either, man does, than justifies it with religion and men after them follow suit.
My point is if Science is a tool devoid of value, it is nuetral in nature, why always compare its virtues or espouse its superiority over religion? The only semblance they share are that they seek to explain certain phenomena that occur on earth. Since they share this in common, proponents of science over religion make the jump to then say science is better than religion because the latter makes/justifies peoples'bad actions. But just because science explains things and gives us provable answers you can not, in good faith, make the jump to then compare science to religion's other side: motives.
I say if you are going to judge the two by that criteria then science shares the blame of religion.
Science can be an ends to whatever you want to do depending on how you look at the data. Most religions are multi-faceted/multi-tiered behemoths of ideology that allow hypocrisy (a believer to follow it's more peaceful or violent messages) because of their size and need to address different issues,with this I'm saying you can view a religion's 'data' from an angle and justify whatever you want to do as well.
Again the main point is it is not sound to compare the two when it comes to motives. You can look at Jesus's message of love or his one of vengance, and say the bible told me to do either one. You can look at scientific data and say based on science logic we should/have to do this, or the opposite based on how you explain the numbers. Either way something you look to for answers was used as a justification for an action. But if only the means is important to you, then you can't attack religion on what it so-called makes people do...you have a beef with religion for superficial reasons -how its message is conveyed.
If this is bullshit then we should take up reading journalism for pastimes and denounce gangsta rap since it espouses bad shit, tells people how to, or to commit crimes in the name of gangsterism, et cetera. Yall wouldn't agree with that though would you guys?
Before I start... Religion doesn't create caste systems either, man does, than justifies it with religion and men after them follow suit.
My point is if Science is a tool devoid of value, it is nuetral in nature, why always compare its virtues or espouse its superiority over religion? The only semblance they share are that they seek to explain certain phenomena that occur on earth. Since they share this in common, proponents of science over religion make the jump to then say science is better than religion because the latter makes/justifies peoples'bad actions. But just because science explains things and gives us provable answers you can not, in good faith, make the jump to then compare science to religion's other side: motives.
I say if you are going to judge the two by that criteria then science shares the blame of religion.
Science can be an ends to whatever you want to do depending on how you look at the data. Most religions are multi-faceted/multi-tiered behemoths of ideology that allow hypocrisy (a believer to follow it's more peaceful or violent messages) because of their size and need to address different issues,with this I'm saying you can view a religion's 'data' from an angle and justify whatever you want to do as well.
Again the main point is it is not sound to compare the two when it comes to motives. You can look at Jesus's message of love or his one of vengance, and say the bible told me to do either one. You can look at scientific data and say based on science logic we should/have to do this, or the opposite based on how you explain the numbers. Either way something you look to for answers was used as a justification for an action. But if only the means is important to you, then you can't attack religion on what it so-called makes people do...you have a beef with religion for superficial reasons -how its message is conveyed.
If this is bullshit then we should take up reading journalism for pastimes and denounce gangsta rap since it espouses bad shit, tells people how to, or to commit crimes in the name of gangsterism, et cetera. Yall wouldn't agree with that though would you guys?
I usually steer clear from topics like these because frankly......I could give a fuck less what other people believe in.
I'm Catholic have been my whole life. And the thing that irritates me about Atheist's is that most (not all) are ALWAYS quick to try to challenge your faith or discredit it.
I'm not sittin here making threads saying PRAISE GOD YOUR WRONG LOLZZZ. But every forum I frequent there's always that group of Atheists who have to bring up religion and make points as to why your wrong and there right.
I respect every religion and everyone choice to choose what they want. You do you, I'll do me yadayadayada.
I'm Catholic have been my whole life. And the thing that irritates me about Atheist's is that most (not all) are ALWAYS quick to try to challenge your faith or discredit it.
I'm not sittin here making threads saying PRAISE GOD YOUR WRONG LOLZZZ. But every forum I frequent there's always that group of Atheists who have to bring up religion and make points as to why your wrong and there right.
I respect every religion and everyone choice to choose what they want. You do you, I'll do me yadayadayada.
I didn't attack anything 
But didn't the same men create religion?
I don't recall me comparing science with religion.
I don't even understand the comparison, this is like comparing psychology with biology.
Atheist don't pray to science, we don't worship Einstein or Tesla something like that.
Like 2-0 already said, science is just observating what is.
While religion is believing in something you can't actually proof there is.
I must disagree.
Science seeks to explain certain phenomena that occur not only on earth but pretty much everywhere.
As far as I know the religious people are quick to call an 'unknown' or unexplainable phenomena; god's work.
Without really investigating for themselves what that phenomena could be. with sometimes there are perfectly logical explanations for these phenomena.
Like I said, it's comparing apples with oranges.
I don't understand why you are so fixated with comparing the two.
Don't you know the Vatican has it's own scientist, astrologist etc etc??
Science shares no blame as far as I can see it.
We can make uranium to make nuclear power so we don't have to use the fossil fuels anymore, great!
But with the same uranium we can build a nuclear bomb. Is it sciences fault?
Or the people who intent to use that bomb?
I can ask a thousand people of the same religion on their religion and get a thousand different answers.
While science remains factual.
I don't have any beef with religion, I've seen it helping a lot of people getting of their lowest point.
But you keep comparising science and religion which in my opinion just is not possible.
Because science is not only for the atheists but also for you as a christian.
It has been a while since I listened to gangster rap actually.
I'm going to light this joint, because god put this plant in the earth for us to smoke it!
But didn't the same men create religion?
I don't recall me comparing science with religion.
I don't even understand the comparison, this is like comparing psychology with biology.
Atheist don't pray to science, we don't worship Einstein or Tesla something like that.
Like 2-0 already said, science is just observating what is.
While religion is believing in something you can't actually proof there is.
I must disagree.
Science seeks to explain certain phenomena that occur not only on earth but pretty much everywhere.
As far as I know the religious people are quick to call an 'unknown' or unexplainable phenomena; god's work.
Without really investigating for themselves what that phenomena could be. with sometimes there are perfectly logical explanations for these phenomena.
Like I said, it's comparing apples with oranges.
I don't understand why you are so fixated with comparing the two.
Don't you know the Vatican has it's own scientist, astrologist etc etc??
Science shares no blame as far as I can see it.
We can make uranium to make nuclear power so we don't have to use the fossil fuels anymore, great!
But with the same uranium we can build a nuclear bomb. Is it sciences fault?
Or the people who intent to use that bomb?
I can ask a thousand people of the same religion on their religion and get a thousand different answers.
While science remains factual.
I don't have any beef with religion, I've seen it helping a lot of people getting of their lowest point.
But you keep comparising science and religion which in my opinion just is not possible.
Because science is not only for the atheists but also for you as a christian.
It has been a while since I listened to gangster rap actually.
I'm going to light this joint, because god put this plant in the earth for us to smoke it!
So "god" basically made the implants? You're telling me there's a guy who's fucking around with the Universe for all eternity? Just imagine living forever. Life would never end. Ever. You'd get bored sooner than you think. One of the most beautiful things about life is death.
Would this "god" still love me if I spat in his face and disowned him as my creator?
Would this "god" still love me if I spat in his face and disowned him as my creator?