Hippie Liberal Types

[TROLL]

Without getting rid of multiculturalism & affirmative action, by keeping English from being the official language, by not militarizing the border and deporting the illegals, by allowing all groups based on ethnicity or that are an ethnic lobby, by allowing duel citizenship , by allowing events that feature foreign flags, by celebrating foreign holidays, etc . . . the center pieces of Liberal ideology like increased taxation, social welfare, government spending, universal healthcare, worker rights, etc will never be realized.

if conservative ideology is to categorize then demonize you have it down.. however, government spending has had a large increase, univeral healthcare is prevalent in many other democracys.. you are repeating yourself but still not drawing any real connections between...


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multicultralism
affirmative action,
english being the offical language
not militarizing our border and deporting
allowing groups BASED on ethnicity that are an ethnic lobby
duel citzenship
and not having other flags fly at events...
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increased taxation: when theres been significant cuts unbalancing the ratio..
social welfare:that has no real big plans to be funded throughly
government spending:Has increased to support an illegal war
universal healthcare: When congressmen, senators and presidents and the like have free healthcare for life..
worker rights: have been trumped by low wages.

 

[TROLL]

The thread isn't a discussion of the current administration in the white house, it is a discussion of the Liberal ideology.

and you tried to play off nationalism as something to be embraced and i brought up the fact that to buy into nationalism is to buy into the current way things are going.

This is just specific example of you and others allowing yourselves to be blinded/tricked into believing fallacies. Because you are so concerned with trying to discredit me as a republican or neo-con (neither of which do i ideologically subscribe to, yet you automatically label me such because i don't support your conspiracy theories)

What fallacies have i spoke of?? u have made the claim twice already but have yet to say as to what.. so u are niether republican or neo-con then waht other political group is trademark of making comments such as "hippie liberal types".. hows the saying go.. "if it walks like a duck"

you totally missed the point of the thread and your assumptions about me personally inhibit your chances at any serious level of intellectual debate/discussion. Again, it's sad.

don't try to deviate the conversation playing the crybaby and disregarding my responses to the subject at hand..

 

[Deadpool]

if conservative ideology is to categorize then demonize you have it down..

But it isn't.

univeral healthcare is prevalent in many other democracys..

the welfariest of welfare states are a bunch of Vikings and homogenized.

you are repeating yourself but still not drawing any real connections

I'm repeating it because you miss the point each time it gets posted and I haven't had to draw any significant connections because you have yet to challenge the premise or mount any serious argument against it.

Look . . .

Honestly. Maybe you should try some of those "learnings".

increased taxation: when theres been significant cuts unbalancing the ratio...

Liberals oppose the tax cuts. How does this refute anything I have said on the subject thus far?

social welfare:that has no real big plans to be funded throughly

Liberals want social welfare. Again, How does this refute anything I have said on the subject thus far?

universal healthcare: When congressmen, senators and presidents and the like have free healthcare for life

What? So because congress and the president have a health care plan, universal health care is something Liberals oppose? How does this refute anything I have said on the subject thus far?

worker rights: have been trumped by low wages.

Liberals want workers rights. How does your statement refute anything I have said on the subject thus far?

 

[TROLL]

maybe im just looking at this humanely because i still dont see anything wrong with a "hippie liberal's" point of view if they support these things

 

[Deadpool]

and you tried to play off nationalism as something to be embraced and i brought up the fact that to buy into nationalism is to buy into the current way things are going.

Nationalism is to be embraced if your primary goal is increased taxation, social welfare, government spending, universal health care, worker rights, etc though it is most often supplanted by counter-nationalist policy.

nationalism is to buy into the current way things are going.

Hit up the dictionary. Nationalism has nothing to do with the way things currently are in this country. In fact it is quite probable to be nationalistic and believe current policies are detrimental to the nation.

What fallacies have i spoke of??

My purported political ideologies, as one example.

don't try to deviate the conversation playing the crybaby and disregarding my responses to the subject at hand..

You have deviated from the subject matter in nearly every conversation I have been a part of in this forum by either personally attacking me or trying to direct the subject matter to something entirely different. I on the other hand have done none of that and have respected the forum guidelines.

 

[Deadpool]

maybe im just looking at this humanely because i still dont see anything wrong with a "hippie liberal's" point of view if they support these things

That is because you have yet to grasp the subject at hand. It hasn't been said by me in this thread that support these things makes someone WRONG. It has been said though, that simultaneously supporting 1) increased taxation, social welfare, government spending, universal health care, worker rights, etc AND 2) anti-nationalist policies such as multiculturalism, affirmative action, multi-state language, demilitarized borders, embracing illegals, foreign flags, holidays, etc IS what's the problem. "Problem" if your goal is truly #1 because as long as you support #2, #1 isn't going to be possible.

 

[TROLL]

Nationalism is to be embraced if your primary goal is increased taxation, social welfare, government spending, universal health care, worker rights, etc though it is most often supplanted by counter-nationalist policy.

Yup.. and i have yet to see any of those be presented to me or even on their mind, however, we are in more of a facist state then a democracy and i choose not to support those turning us into modern day nazi germany, which is why im going to vote democrat to cause friction.., thanks for making this conversation come full circle

Hit up the dictionary. Nationalism has nothing to do with the way things currently are in this country. In fact it is quite probable to be nationalistic and believe current policies are detrimental to the nation.

but wait, isnt that dissent??

My purported political ideologies, as one example.

as to which u have avoided the question of once already

You have deviated from the subject matter in nearly every conversation I have been a part of in this forum by either personally attacking me or trying to direct the subject matter to something entirely different. I on the other hand have done none of that and have respected the forum guidelines.

attack you personally? you are wayyy to sensetive to take any contrary debate as anything but the expression of another's opinion.. you say you have refuted my 'conspiracy theories' once but have only to refuted a select few of a compiling of evidence provided..

 

[TROLL]

That is because you have yet to grasp the subject at hand. It hasn't been said by me in this thread that support these things makes someone WRONG. It has been said though, that simultaneously supporting 1) increased taxation, social welfare, government spending, universal health care, worker rights, etc AND 2) anti-nationalist policies such as multiculturalism, affirmative action, multi-state language, demilitarized borders, embracing illegals, foreign flags, holidays, etc IS what's the problem. "Problem" if your goal is truly #1 because as long as you support #2, #1 isn't going to be possible.

so far u have condoned isolationism by means of race and social status.. thinking of only number 1, leads number 2 to jockey for position..

 

[Deadpool]

In Taiwan there is very much a sense of nationalism, 90% of the population is very much united and have been united by hatred of the mainlanders who have subjugated them until their emancipation 15 years ago....It is actually a good example of what I'm talking about, it got so bad the KMT is actually the party favoured by the PRC now, as a check on the nationalism of DPP.

Singapore is basically an an autocratic state where loyalty to the state is mandated, it is along the lines I argued for, homogenized to hell as well.

The UK has had an severe decrease in welfare statism in accordance with the arrival of more and more immigrants and a more multicultural policy (ie thatcherism and new labour).

As for the U.S., are you're not actually arguing that most people who vote against the welfare state care more about inefficient government spending and high taxes(but of course not farm subsidy.....) then about having in their minds to fund drug addicted urban dark skin people who are strange and lazy and stupid and not "real Americans", are you?

 

[TROLL]

As for the U.S., are you're not actually arguing that most people who vote against the welfare state care more about inefficient government spending and high taxes(but of course not farm subsidy.....) then about having in their minds to fund drug addicted urban dark skin people who are strange and lazy and stupid and not "real Americans", are you?

so your saying we currently have an efficent government spending? are you refuting the claim that the wealthy have been given the tax cuts..are you actually trying to say that the urban 'dark skin' person is less american because they are 'strange' and 'stupid'??

you like to border line your comments on racism and facist political propaganda and convince someone its beneficial.. sorry.. not buying it.. i am that dark skinned urban 'strange' person.. and i consider myself wayyy more american then you..

 

[I AM]

I think it'd be nice if there was a BALANCE in the country, but that's not going to happen...

By the way, I found a really good Bush quote...I'll have to dig up the link though...When he was governor of Texas he said, "There should be limits to freedom."

I think Republicans and Democrats alike should not be in power. They all have an agenda and with todays society there's not many people who are going to do anything worth while for everyone. Everyone is too worried about themselves to give a shit about anyone else for the most part, or they THINK what they do means that they give a shit, when in fact they are FUCKING THEMSELVES.

There's no way to stop what's going on, the ball is rolling and has been for a long time. You can prolong it, but that's just going to make shit worse. This country is FUCKED. There are several individuals on this message board that I think realize this and actually are intelligent enough to do something about it but I honestly think it will take a REVOLUTION to change anything for the better in this country...either that, or we'll have to be bombed to shit for people to realize what the deal is...but then again, they'd blame it on Iraq and the "terrorsists" cause they're too FUCKING STUPID to realize the TRUTH.

 

[Mi$ta-Murda187]

I think it'd be nice if there was a BALANCE in the country, but that's not going to happen...

By the way, I found a really good Bush quote...I'll have to dig up the link though...When he was governor of Texas he said, "There should be limits to freedom."

I think Republicans and Democrats alike should not be in power. They all have an agenda and with todays society there's not many people who are going to do anything worth while for everyone. Everyone is too worried about themselves to give a shit about anyone else for the most part, or they THINK what they do means that they give a shit, when in fact they are FUCKING THEMSELVES.

There's no way to stop what's going on, the ball is rolling and has been for a long time. You can prolong it, but that's just going to make shit worse. This country is FUCKED. There are several individuals on this message board that I think realize this and actually are intelligent enough to do something about it but I honestly think it will take a REVOLUTION to change anything for the better in this country...either that, or we'll have to be bombed to shit for people to realize what the deal is...but then again, they'd blame it on Iraq and the "terrorsists" cause they're too FUCKING STUPID to realize the TRUTH.

I agree 100%

 

[PGBD]

I've already got a fan club that follows me from post to post.

You've got another one. Let me clarify, I agree with a lot of what you write, but not all of it.

 

[Deadpool]

Membership is expanding. I'm a popular cat. I just want a cut of the dues.

 

[TROLL]

"i dunno why everybody is responding to my posts on a message board"

 

[TROLL]

would u consider yourself a racist? if not then what?

 

[Deadpool]

Don't go trying to create a strawman, I never said that homogeneity and nationalism are the only factors that contribute to welfare statism only that they are prerequisites.

 

[TROLL]

u didnt answer my question..

 

[Deadpool]

Because it is insulting and not valid to the conversation. And is another attempt by yourself to shift the discussion away from the topic at hand to attacking me personally. If you are not interested in debating/discussing the topic any further, then please stop posting in it so that others may have an opportunity.

 

[TROLL]

im asking u a simple question, if the answer is no then you should have no problem saying so, instead, you duck and dodge the question and claim im shifting the conversation when the validity of your opinions is based on the question if your ignorant enough to be a racist...

so are you?? simple question..