San Quinn has brought REAl SHit for over 10 years........some in-depth and socially conscious music......I love all those albums you speak of, but hip-hop and pure rap is not the same thing as you seem to have equated the 2 as being synonymous....Common, Black Star, The Roots, and Nas are unique in their style and I would beckon to say that they are "Hip-HOP" artists in the traditional sense........yet, the hyphy movement and bay area style and lingo is more than just some Cash Money or No Limit BS.............its about a region with a truly unique rap culture that stems from mainly grimy, inner city areas in which the music tends to have a FEEL to it......there is a time for profound and in-depth Hip-Hop like the Roots or Talib Kweli's Quality, but there is also a time for Mac Dre, San Quinn, E-40, and other extremely talented artists who bring something Unique and distinguishable to the table.......content difference, microphone presence, lyrics, passion, FEEL, concepts, and much more separate Rap and Hip-Hop.........I can say that Mac Dre- Young Black Brother; San Quinn- Live N Direct, The Hustle Continues, Explosive Mode, I Give You My Word; E-40- Federal are all some of my favorite album of all-time.....as well as Nas-Illmatic, Stillmatic; The Roots- illadelph; Black STar; Common-Like Water For Chocolate...........but they definitely belong in separate categories........suffice to say that the Bay Area has some great artists that bring extremely witty, Real/Grimey, humorous, and at times profound lyrical content that doesn't take a back seat to anyone, and truly deserves its own category! If nothing else, most Great Bay Area rappers are Sincere and have second 2 none personalities on the microphone!.......just my 2 cents at this early morning hour