Good Sample CDs for Percussion?

HERESY · Apr 11, 2007

If a person can take a SNARE, flip it, use it for a GUITAR SOUND and PLAY IT from an mpc, anything can be flipped. If you need to rely on genre specific sounds straight out the box the box thats all good, but chances are it is going to sound different once you start mixing it anyway. Like I said before, straight out the box those samples are intended for the music they sound like, but I gave you those links to peep out the PERCUSSION samples, and trust me when I tell you the "latin" name is MISLEADING.

Incorrect. If a person knows how to use filters and understands waveforms he can make an acoustic snare sound like whatever the hell he wants. It may take some time, it may take some layering, but sounds can be manipulated. There is NO RULE or physical law that satates air (sound) can't be manipulated.

http://siccness.net/vb/showthread.php?t=226835&highlight=snare

That doesn't make much sense.

Like I said before, "Straight out the box they are designed for the music they sound like".

BOOBOO619 · Apr 11, 2007

Mr. Samos said:

That's exactly what I was trying to say, since HERESY suggested those more Live/Acoustic sounding percussion packages by BFD. They just don't bang enough IMO.

HERESY · Apr 11, 2007

:shaking my head in disbelief:

One more time for the ILLITERATE FUCKS

What this means is they are intended for the music they sound like: rock, funk, jazz, metal.

Meaning I wanted you to listen to the PERCUSSION samples they had and NOT the acoustic sounding drum packages.

FACT: The latin percussion samples are NOT all acoustic sounding samples and are NOT limited to latin music. How do I know this? 1. I own the samples, 2. I'm using the samples to create new age/ electronica music for a website devoted to 3-d modeling.

HERESY · Apr 11, 2007

From the time I wrote the last post, to the time I wrote this one I took an acoustic snare from my MOTIF ES and turned it into a kick drum .

I'm gonna write down the settings and post em up along with both samples so those who have the motif (or es) can verify the process.

EDIT: I'm gonna keep teh kick drum for myself and upload this snare I just made from an acoustic snare.

BOOBOO619 · Apr 11, 2007

HERESY, LOL it's nothing to get mad about.

BTW, if by PERCUSSION, you meant this:
http://www.fxpansion.com/index.php?page=42&tab=127

Then nah, I personally don't care for those sounds based on the demo. They sound cool for what they are, but I ain't going to spend my time manipulating those sounds. Like I said in my last post, might as well just use sounds that sound close to what your trying to do. If I want a poppy/snappy sounding snare that hits hard, well then I'm going to look for a sound that closely represents that, then go from there to modify it even more to my likings whether it be with compression, EQ, layering or some other thing. I find it pretty damn pointless to morph a snare into a kickdrum. Why not just start off with a kick drum sound to begin with, then go from there? Is it fun to do or what? I think it's just a waste of time. Anything can be manipulated of course, shit if you really wanted you can create kicks, snares, claps, and Hi-hats sounds with synthesis and I do sometimes, especially kicks, zaps and other shit like that.

50cal · Apr 11, 2007

why dont you just get some vinyl and sample whatever ya want?

HERESY · Apr 11, 2007

Cuzzo, you don't know me personally to know when I'm upset so kill that shit right now.

If YOU don't have the ability to take those percussions sounds (or any other sound) and get PAID from it more power to you, thats just one less person using them to death (like the triton) and more money for me. If you need to rely on sounds right out the box and don't have the talent or patience to tweek something there is NOTHING wrong with that. Personally, I don't need to rely on presets, but if I have to what does it matter?

I'm sure you took your time to listen to every single demo presented on that page, and I'm sure the demo contains every single sound that expansion pak offers. I'm sure the ragtime and junk funk demos contained nothing that can be used in hip hop percussion....(sarcasm implied)

Now from the time I made my last post to now (including a henny break and time to eat) I took one snare and made 2 hi hats, a new snare and a kick drum from it. After that I made a pattern on the motif, dumped everything to pro tools and got a new mix on it. I also have the settings for the sounds if someone wants to verify they came from the motif.

I'm uploading everything now.

Yet in another thread, the same one I posted in this thread, you are PRAISING a man for taking a snare and making it sound like a guitar.

http://siccness.net/vb/showthread.php?t=226835&page=2&highlight=snare

HERESY · Apr 11, 2007

50cal said:

That will work.

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=AC3P0YI2

One snare from the motif transformed into a new snare, a kick drum and two different hi hats. I also included the og snare and the BEFORE & After processing in pro tools. The before pattern is straight from the motif and thats where the og snare was transformed. The other pattern is after I did some minor eq and compression shit within pro tools.

Someone asked me for the settings in pm so here they are:

Go to the first drum kit in the motif (it should be called HYPER std)

I set the tempo to 92 and the loop for 8 (although you can set the loop for 4)

The snare I used is found on E1. Turn the reverb and any FX OFF.

This will give you one of the hi hat sounds I uploaded, but you can adjust to taste to get a different hi hat (which is what I did for the second one)

Change the CUTOFF to +63, the RES to +63 the ATTACK to -4 and the REL to -64. Go into th3 EQ settings and change the low EQ to -32@ 50.1hz. Change the Mids to -32@377 hz, and change the highs to +32 @ 14 k.

FEG DEPTH should be +24, Aeg attack settings should be -4 through +4 depending on taste and AEG decay should be -40 through +20 depending on taste.

To get the other hi hat change the eq settings to -32 @ 85.5hz, -32@ 726.5 and -22@ 9k.

To change the snare up go +27 @ 182.5hz, +139.7 for mids (you can adjust the res on this eq to taste) abd +32@14k for the highs.
FEG Depth is cutoff -33 and res is -23. Aeg is -64 for the attack and -12 for the decay.

The kick drum settings I'll keep for myself, but it was the same E1 snare I used for the other stuff.

EDJ · Apr 11, 2007

^IMPRESSIVE.

Mr. Samos · Apr 11, 2007

HERESY said:

I never said it wasn't possible. Anyways, to reply, I would say 90% of the raw sampled acoustic snares I come across are generally completely wack for Rap music, period. They are dull, bland, flat and they sound like a tin can, or, crap, to make a long story short. I'm extremely picky with my drums. I personally don't see a need to tweak something that sounds bad when it's raw, if it doesn't catch my attention the first time I hear it then I don't fuck with it. And for sampled acoustic snares, when it comes to Hiphop, I don't fuck with them unless they have the potential to sound right for the Genre I'm using them for. The only acoustic percussive sounds I use are Toms, Closed/Open Hats, Crashes, maybe a select few Bass Drums (Tweaked) and that's really it.

Acoustic drums sound better played live and recorded and mixed than they do tweaked and programmed and punched in on a Keyboard or MPC. Period. It's more natural, it's more explosive, the velocity, timing, rhythm, it all sounds better when played live. Why tweak the shit and play it on your Motif or MPC and make it sound forced? Get the real thing if you want to use the real thing and do it properly.

Peace.

Mr. Samos · Apr 11, 2007

HERESY said:

Kudos on the Kick drum, it sounds decent, quite good actually.

The Hi Hats sound wack and the Snare drum sounds horrible, it sounds like it cuts off, it's dull, flat, it's boring, sounds cheap. The OG Snare sounded better without any processing and with it's natural reverb it originally had on it.

HERESY · Apr 11, 2007

Left unthouched they are wack for hip hop production. They should be used for the genre that requires that type of sound i.e. rock/metal, jazz, funk, etc etc etc.

You personally don't see the need to tweek something because you've probably never been put in a position to where you have had to tweek sounds, design sound scapes/textures etc for $$$$. If it doesn't catch your attention the first time thats ok, but I don't limit myself when I compose. When I hear wack sounds I think about whats going on that makes it wack and I try to see if I can change it. This is how MANY people make CUSTOM KITS and SOUND FX.

ANY SOUND has the potential to sound right if you tweek it. Straight out the gates certain sounds WON'T sound right for certain types of production, but if you know how to manipulate waveforms anything is possible and thats basically all I'm saying.

This is a matter of opinion. I can post something right now I played on the motif and if I didn't tell you I played the drums on the motif you would think a drummer did.

Again this is a matter of opinion. I've heard live shit that sounds like garbage, and I've heard shit played from mpc's and keyboards that sound priceless. It's all on the person playing and the sounds used.

Why take a snare and turn it to a guitar and play it on an mpc when you can get a stingray, a tube amp and a couple of pedals? Go to MOTIFATOR.COM listen to some of the music composed on that site and tell me if they did it properly.

A person can program drums just as easily as they can with a drummer playing the real thing. It may take a bit more time, but there is NOTHING a drummer can do that YOU can't do unless you LACK the TALENT required to do so. If we use your logic we shouldn't get ANYTHING from keyboards or sound modules because they aren't the deal. In fact, if we use your logic no one should play basslines from a keyboard either. Guitars? Throw those out the window. Strings? Nope can't use those either...

HERESY · Apr 11, 2007

Mr. Samos said:

Thats the desired effect I was going for! Something like a dull lo-fi ish type kit without actually going the lo-fi route. One snare flipped into a pattern and uploaded here in less than an hour and a half to simply show it can be done and that ANY sound can be changed into SOMETHING ELSE.

Everything you hear in that pattern is the SAME ACOUSTIC SNARE from the motif tweeked four different ways. The hi hats? Both are snares. The snare? Thats the snare tweeked. The kick? Again thats a snare tweeked, and if anyone has the motif can verify the sounds and make the changes accordingly.

BOOBOO619 · Apr 12, 2007

HERESY said:

Yeah I praised it because it was something completely different. I mean he went from a percussion sound (a snare) to a fucking electric sounding guitar and to top it off it actually did sound like a real guitar and not to mention he used his MPC more as an instrument for live playing, than as a sampler or sequencer. That's some pretty innovative shit. Not to be a dick or anything, but what you did is not really all that great sounding. It just sounds too dull, it don't hit enough for hiphop. I actually like the original snare much better, it has a lot more character to it. Your version has to be more compressed and EQed to bring it out some. The same with the kick, but it's the best "sounding" thing there. The hi-hat and zap sound like caca man. It's just to corny sounding for my taste. If I heard a kit like this, I would just overlook them.

BTW, I never said I don't like to tweak sounds and fuck with synthesis, because I do. I'm personally just a lot more picky when it comes to percussion sounds. I especially like to hear good snares initially, then build upon from there. If it sounds dull, I usually don't try to "fix" it, I just keep on moving until I find a sound that closely sounds like what I want to use. I want it to have all it's punch and character. I think it's just like trying to enhance something that has been recorded improperly or tacky-ish, as more often than not, it's still going to sound like shit. Give me the sound in full character so I have everything to work with and if I so happen to not want all it's character I'll take it out with filtering and other FX usage, that's the way I see it. I'll rather take out, then try to add-in and fix.

Mr. Samos · Apr 12, 2007

HERESY said:

Thats the desired effect I was going for! Something like a dull lo-fi ish type kit without actually going the lo-fi route. One snare flipped into a pattern and uploaded here in less than an hour and a half to simply show it can be done and that ANY sound can be changed into SOMETHING ELSE.

Everything you hear in that pattern is the SAME ACOUSTIC SNARE from the motif tweeked four different ways. The hi hats? Both are snares. The snare? Thats the snare tweeked. The kick? Again thats a snare tweeked, and if anyone has the motif can verify the sounds and make the changes accordingly.

Yes I'm aware it's all from a Snare that's why I gave you Kudos on the Kick because the Kick sounds good.

HERESY · Apr 12, 2007

Mr. Samos said:

thanks, and the other sounds, no matter how wack you think they are DON'T sound like the original snare (especially the hats). That was my sole reason for posting it, and best believe if I could get the kick sounding that way within 13 minutes (check the posts where I went back and said I had the kick done) I could have made the new hi hats and snares sound however I wanted them to.

HERESY · Apr 12, 2007

You are once again acting like an illiterate fuckup. It was not supposed to sound GREAT. The sole purpose was to take ONE ACOUSTIC SNARE and to make it NOT sound like an ACOUSTIC SNARE. Now if you WANT me to take that same acoustic snare and make something that YOU can use for hip hop I have an hourly rate that I charge. If you were not TOLD that the hi hats, snare and kick was actually an acoustic snare you would have thought it was just a shitty hi hat, snare and kit (which would actually sound at home for a lo-fi break beat or something). But rest assured if I wanted to take those samples and make a hip hop beat over I could.

Can you post up some of these sounds you tweek and give the settings? You are in your right to do so. If that works for you that works for you, but I don't have a problem taking a some obscure sound and turning it into something else. You keep repeating the same thing as if I'm coming down on you for wanting your shit to sound a certain way. If the sound is weak when you hear it don't use that shit, no one is twisting your arm or forcing you to tweek shit. The only thing I'm saying is it CAN be done.

Its not about ADDING anything to fix it. You just don't get it. What I'm saying is to CHANGE the sound and make something ENTIRELY NEW and DIFFERENT from the ORIGINAL sound, but if you want to tweek what is there and have it sound similar thats cool. When I turn on one of my boards or modules I don't go straight to a goddamn acoustic snare and start fuckin with it. I go to the instruments that I need for the style of music I am trying to create. When I find the instrument I tweek it because I don't want people saying "he got that from the motif" or "he got that from the karma" or "he got that from the fantom rack".

Keep it crackin cuzzo, and like I said before do what works best for you.

Mr. Samos · Apr 12, 2007

HERESY said:

It's not very difficult, it's actually a fairly SIMPLE process and I'm sure YOU could. Anyone who knows the basics of EQ and Compression and FX like Reverb, and who has a good waveform editor can do it. It's not that ground-breaking Heresy!

Later.

HERESY · Apr 12, 2007

Only if you know what you're doing

First time I ever tried something like that was on my xp60 and I almost blew my ear drums out.

HERESY · Apr 12, 2007

Mr. Samos said:

But there is no compression until the sound was dumped into pro tools (unless you count the fact that sounds in modules are already compressed.) and the fact is it isn't supposed to be ground breaking. And I'm relying more on the filters and what they do than the normal eq, and I'm sure if you made enough money from music to actually purchase a motif you would know thats what I was relying on.

Now, why don't YOU show us that YOU can do the same thing? Go and take an acoustic snare, tweek it so it sounds like a 2 hi hats, a new snare and a kick. upload teh samples and give us the settings so we can verify that it is what you say it is. If not sit back and relax buddy,

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