***Golden State Warriors 2010-2011 Offseason Thread***
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that 50 win season shoulda made playoffs. he "coached" that team into the ground.
then he ran baron off.
ran harrington off.
ran jackson off.
ruined relationships and seasons every year after that playoff year. we were good because of our team, we could have been better with a real coach.
how u gonna coach for 40 years, have the most wins which some people spun as the "winningest" but never ever make the finals, and only once make the conference finals.
anyways, dont even reply about nelson cuz that drunk old bastard is done so who cares. we can finally move forward with a coach that might play 2 players taller than 6-6 at the same time. finally have some kind of concept of defense, and finally get some rebounds. (nelsons favorite way to lose was by letting them 2nd chance us to death while having 1 player 6-8 and 3 point guards on the floor)
then he ran baron off.
ran harrington off.
ran jackson off.
ruined relationships and seasons every year after that playoff year. we were good because of our team, we could have been better with a real coach.
how u gonna coach for 40 years, have the most wins which some people spun as the "winningest" but never ever make the finals, and only once make the conference finals.
anyways, dont even reply about nelson cuz that drunk old bastard is done so who cares. we can finally move forward with a coach that might play 2 players taller than 6-6 at the same time. finally have some kind of concept of defense, and finally get some rebounds. (nelsons favorite way to lose was by letting them 2nd chance us to death while having 1 player 6-8 and 3 point guards on the floor)
Warriors May Want Carmelo Bad Enough to Not Require Extension
Some news from Marcus Thompson.
"the Warriors are pushing all their chips in, holding only point guard Stephen Curry back. And there is a shift in the stance.
Previously, general manager Larry Riley has been against giving up the farm for stars who won’t re-sign. So either he’s changed his stance or he’s been overruled, if sources can be believed. Joe Lacob said he wasn’t the type to sit around and do nothing."
I thought this was an interesting tidbit. Looks like Lacob and co. are still looking to make that big splash. Personally Melo doesn't excite me much, especially when you consider what we'd have to give up and what we'd need to pay him to keep him around. I'd rather wait and see what we have with this new roster before going all in on a guy with a superstar name, but not a superstar game.
Some news from Marcus Thompson.
"the Warriors are pushing all their chips in, holding only point guard Stephen Curry back. And there is a shift in the stance.
Previously, general manager Larry Riley has been against giving up the farm for stars who won’t re-sign. So either he’s changed his stance or he’s been overruled, if sources can be believed. Joe Lacob said he wasn’t the type to sit around and do nothing."
I thought this was an interesting tidbit. Looks like Lacob and co. are still looking to make that big splash. Personally Melo doesn't excite me much, especially when you consider what we'd have to give up and what we'd need to pay him to keep him around. I'd rather wait and see what we have with this new roster before going all in on a guy with a superstar name, but not a superstar game.
Curry was only a rookie last year, he isnt top 5 yet, but he has the potential and will be there soon.
he doesnt have NBA strength yet, like most players fresh in the league.
he might not be the quickest, but he doesnt need to be. skill > athleticism. hes quick enough and he knows how to use it.
i didnt see much of fiba but i do kno curry didnt get big minutes. whatever he struggled with will push him to improve that aspect faster. i bet he grew a lot this summer, from playing huge minutes his rookie year to playing in a much more physical international game
he doesnt have NBA strength yet, like most players fresh in the league.
he might not be the quickest, but he doesnt need to be. skill > athleticism. hes quick enough and he knows how to use it.
i didnt see much of fiba but i do kno curry didnt get big minutes. whatever he struggled with will push him to improve that aspect faster. i bet he grew a lot this summer, from playing huge minutes his rookie year to playing in a much more physical international game
Denver spoke with Philadelphia, Golden State and the Los Angeles Clippers, but sources said that, contrary to published reports, the Sixers did not offer star swingman Andre Iguodala to the Nuggets. Instead, Philadelphia suggested a package of rookie Evan Turner, who was the second pick in last summer's draft, the expiring contracts of Jason Kapono ($6.6 million) and Thaddeus Young ($4.6 million), and future draft considerations. ESPN.com
But of all the changes that the Warriors have made since last season, none has breathed more life into the sagging franchise than the departure of coach Don Nelson. Golden State made Nelson’s exit official on Monday by announcing the promotion of assistant Keith Smart to head coach. “It was obvious we needed a change,” Warriors general manager Larry Riley said. Yahoo! Sports
Nelson was also hard on the injury-plagued Biedrins, saying he “didn’t see any life” in the young center’s play and suggesting he shoot free throws underhanded. “We needed a change because after the last two years, it’s been really bad for us,” Biedrins said of the team. “That’s the obvious thing we needed to do, change.” Yahoo! Sports
Nelson’s detractors were numerous, certainly among his players. But there were also some people in the organization – namely Riley and Smart – who thought he was misunderstood. Nelson pushed for Smart to replace him. “He made no mistake he wanted this to happen,” Smart said. Yahoo! Sports
But of all the changes that the Warriors have made since last season, none has breathed more life into the sagging franchise than the departure of coach Don Nelson. Golden State made Nelson’s exit official on Monday by announcing the promotion of assistant Keith Smart to head coach. “It was obvious we needed a change,” Warriors general manager Larry Riley said. Yahoo! Sports
Nelson was also hard on the injury-plagued Biedrins, saying he “didn’t see any life” in the young center’s play and suggesting he shoot free throws underhanded. “We needed a change because after the last two years, it’s been really bad for us,” Biedrins said of the team. “That’s the obvious thing we needed to do, change.” Yahoo! Sports
Nelson’s detractors were numerous, certainly among his players. But there were also some people in the organization – namely Riley and Smart – who thought he was misunderstood. Nelson pushed for Smart to replace him. “He made no mistake he wanted this to happen,” Smart said. Yahoo! Sports
curry's skill level will keep him in the league, but I don't envision him being an elite point by any means. he can't defend anyone at the point with any consistency. And there was a reason he didn't see much in the way of minutes at fiba. he's physically weak. and an athletic guard will be able to overcome his skills, in regards to curry being defended.
I'm a die hard warriors fan, so I'm hoping for the best, but curry will most likely peak at being a top ten point guard in the league, not much else. Hope he proves me wrong
I'm a die hard warriors fan, so I'm hoping for the best, but curry will most likely peak at being a top ten point guard in the league, not much else. Hope he proves me wrong
Curry already is around the top 10. Tyreke has the strength and the numbers over last year, but that doesnt mean Curry wont become better. Reke was also only the 3rd or 4th player ever to do what he did as a rookie. its not exactly a fair comparison.
if u wanna compare Curry to Jennings - Curry is miles ahead and Jennings even played overseas for a year which gave him a big advantage to be prepared to the NBA and the strength of PRO players.
Monta Ellis used to be skinny/weak too, now he's 1 of the strongest players under 6-4 in the NBA. he routinely guarded much larger small forwards very well.
Strength is 1 of the first things rookies have to adjust to in the NBA, and it doesnt happen overnight. every player/person is different, but it takes at least 1-2 years for guys that dont already have NBA quality strength.
FIBA is much more physical than the NBA, thats controlled by the Refs/Rules in both leagues. Curry's defense was impressive for a rookie last year and no i'm not only talking about his steals.
if Tyreke wasnt in the league last year, Curry would have won the ROY. would that have changed your opinion of him peaking as a top 10 point in the league?
i'm not sure how some1 can be so short sighted about a player that put up Steve Nash like numbers in his rookie year - (shooting wise) - but if u wanna talk assist numbers too, Nash didnt avg 7 assists til his 5th year and didnt reach 8 assists until his 8th year in the league. Curry put up 6 (led all rookies) his rookie year while sharing duties with Ellis.
Curry has the potential to be a Hall Of Fame point guard, he is already Top 3 shooting wise for starting points, yet he is more complete and with more potential to reach. its just a matter of time.
if u wanna compare Curry to Jennings - Curry is miles ahead and Jennings even played overseas for a year which gave him a big advantage to be prepared to the NBA and the strength of PRO players.
Monta Ellis used to be skinny/weak too, now he's 1 of the strongest players under 6-4 in the NBA. he routinely guarded much larger small forwards very well.
Strength is 1 of the first things rookies have to adjust to in the NBA, and it doesnt happen overnight. every player/person is different, but it takes at least 1-2 years for guys that dont already have NBA quality strength.
FIBA is much more physical than the NBA, thats controlled by the Refs/Rules in both leagues. Curry's defense was impressive for a rookie last year and no i'm not only talking about his steals.
if Tyreke wasnt in the league last year, Curry would have won the ROY. would that have changed your opinion of him peaking as a top 10 point in the league?
i'm not sure how some1 can be so short sighted about a player that put up Steve Nash like numbers in his rookie year - (shooting wise) - but if u wanna talk assist numbers too, Nash didnt avg 7 assists til his 5th year and didnt reach 8 assists until his 8th year in the league. Curry put up 6 (led all rookies) his rookie year while sharing duties with Ellis.
Curry has the potential to be a Hall Of Fame point guard, he is already Top 3 shooting wise for starting points, yet he is more complete and with more potential to reach. its just a matter of time.
Monta Ellis arrived in Oakland for workouts right after Labor Day. It marked the earliest he has ever reported for training camp. "Last year we came into training camp, and we knew what kind of season we were going to have because of the tension and how some players were over here and some were over there," Ellis said. "I didn't want to go through that this year. This year, everything is transitioning to a new beginning. San Francisco Chronicle
I really like monta's attitude this year coming to camp.
In regards to curry: I admire your optimism on the kid. I just don't think he is going to get strong enough. tyreke wasn't a fair comparison, but it had to be done, since they were both rookies and play the same position. ti be fair, the comparison really stops there. Jennings was the better point, when taking the entire season into account (not just the last half of the season, where curry flourished).
hall of fame point? no way, not in a million years. CP3, nash, kidd, those are legit HOF contenders at the point position (ok, maybe a bit premature for cp3). Curry is nowhere near that discussion right now.
I also agree that fiba is more physical than the league. that's part of the reason curry got exposed.
I will gladly eat humble pie on the issue by season's end if I'm wrong about him.
In regards to curry: I admire your optimism on the kid. I just don't think he is going to get strong enough. tyreke wasn't a fair comparison, but it had to be done, since they were both rookies and play the same position. ti be fair, the comparison really stops there. Jennings was the better point, when taking the entire season into account (not just the last half of the season, where curry flourished).
hall of fame point? no way, not in a million years. CP3, nash, kidd, those are legit HOF contenders at the point position (ok, maybe a bit premature for cp3). Curry is nowhere near that discussion right now.
I also agree that fiba is more physical than the league. that's part of the reason curry got exposed.
I will gladly eat humble pie on the issue by season's end if I'm wrong about him.
lolwut? the only thing Jennings had over Curry was the 1 big game of 55 - Curry's high was 42 on the year.
Jennings only had 4 total 30+ games inlcuding the 55er.
Curry had 8 games with 30+ including his 42er.
assists wise, Jennings only had 4 games with 10 or more asists.
Curry had 10 games with 10 or more assists.
Jennings had 0 games with 10 rebounds - and therefore 0 triple doubles.
Curry had 1 triple double, and 4 total games with 10 boards.
and thats why Curry finished ahead of Jennings for the ROY.
keyword was potential. and the potential is there, Curry is more complete than Nash and Kidd.
this is why i propped. after this upcoming season, Curry WILL be in the discussion of CP3 & D-WILL for best point guards in the league.
Jennings only had 4 total 30+ games inlcuding the 55er.
Curry had 8 games with 30+ including his 42er.
assists wise, Jennings only had 4 games with 10 or more asists.
Curry had 10 games with 10 or more assists.
Jennings had 0 games with 10 rebounds - and therefore 0 triple doubles.
Curry had 1 triple double, and 4 total games with 10 boards.
and thats why Curry finished ahead of Jennings for the ROY.
keyword was potential. and the potential is there, Curry is more complete than Nash and Kidd.
this is why i propped. after this upcoming season, Curry WILL be in the discussion of CP3 & D-WILL for best point guards in the league.
Bucks are a more traditional team lineup wise. But they played in the fucking east with 3-4 great teams. The west has like 8-9 great teams and 1 elite. And the fiba riles are different then NBA. Plus curry was coming off ankle injury and Eric gordon was on fire he whole tourney.
Curry has smarts and that's what matters. Look at all the elite athletes who are busts. Jordan wasn't even a elite athlete. He was great but there were always quicker stronger players but Jordan still did his thing
Curry has smarts and that's what matters. Look at all the elite athletes who are busts. Jordan wasn't even a elite athlete. He was great but there were always quicker stronger players but Jordan still did his thing
