GAME OVER 4 PAC-MAN JONES

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no question who is the better DB...pacman shits all over DHall

he lost his touch on punt returns...but maybe thats just the coverage unit....did the cowboys have ANY punt returns for TDs this year? cant recall
 

Tony

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Fatal quit making shit up. Clements was getting his ass burnt and you know it.... mf miss me with all the bullshit excuses, speaking of that match up against Plax, you forgot to mention the pass inteference. He was beat on that play as well...
 
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Making shit up? The stats prove he wasn't getting burned like you say he was. But OK I'll give you the pass interference, that's ONE deep play you can come up with where Nate Clements was beat. Yet you act like he's getting torched on a weekly basis. As for who's men Devery Henderson and Randy Moss were, you can find Nolan's explanations on 49erswebzone.com if you feel like digging thru the Niner news (there's a lot of it), that's where I read Nolan's post-game interviews and that's how I know Devery Henderson and Randy Moss were not Nate Clements' responsibility when they made their big plays. Like I said, Nolan was the dipshit calling the plays and creating the coverages, I think he would know more about who covers who than you would.

So, I AM NOT THE ONE MAKING SHIT UP. That's you in your attempt to make Nate Clements look bad. You're hating on him homie, whether you realize it or not. I'll admit the Niners overpaid for him and he's not performing like he should be the highest paid CB in the league, but they had to overpay in order to get him. Stop hating on the guy already it's not his fault he got the big contract.

Act like a man and admit you're wrong homie. Seriously. I'm really trying to be cool with you cuz I think you show some knowledge when you keep it real, but in this instance you're not doing that.
 

Tony

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Man I am not hating on dude because he got a fat contract. I actually think he's pretty good to tell you the truth. I just get on him when 49er fans get on D. Hall when he was a Raider.
 
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Yes I understand that, but like I said you're blaming him for things that were not his fault. He does well against big time receivers and that alone should tell everyone he is a good CB. He might not be worth $80 million (it's actually something like $64 million because he'll never see the final 2 years of his contract), but he's still a very good CB.

It's easy to blame him for getting burned because somehow he's always in the picture even when it's not his man. He tends to leave his coverage once he notices the ball is going elsewhere so you'll always see him in on a play, but that doesn't mean the guy is his man. I've noticed that in person while at the games where you can focus on whoever you want, you can't tell so much on TV. Believe me, if he was getting burned all the time I'd be the first one calling for his head.
 

Tony

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It's all good I guess we see things differently. I strongly believe he was getting burned by those top receivers. What about when he was covering Terrell Owens? You can't deny it T.O. was lighting his ass up. Even Mike Singletary couldn't come up with a valid excuse.

mooreblock, you're trippin if you believe Pac-Man is a better DB than D. Hall. Pac-Man couldn't even stay on the field long enough to prove that.
 
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TO torched him. No excuses there. He burned Nate and Walt as they rotated coverages. They shouldn't have been playing Owens in man coverage, especially since we had no pass rush. I mean, who the hell plays TO in man coverage with no pass rush? He needs to be double-teamed. I don't think there's a defender in the league that can consistently cover TO one-on-one. Not even your boy Nnamdi, or Champ, or McCalister, etc..

But how can you believe he got burned by those other receivers? Look at the stats man. There's no room in those bleak numbers for them to have done any torching.
 
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sad story...i guess big breaks away from football will shit on your career pretty quickly...thats why i say vick will NOT come back as a QB...
mike vick not coming back as a QB??? that would be insane of course he is coming back as a quarterback thats what the hell he is good at..now the question is what team would want him or if the NFL would reinstate him..
 

Tony

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But how can you believe he got burned by those other receivers? Look at the stats man. There's no room in those bleak numbers for them to have done any torching.
Just from watching the game... you can just tell who's man it was. And why would Nate Clements be playing "underneath" coverage against Moss? The 49ers don't run a cover 2. I don't care what Mike Nolan was saying (he was just trying to cover for Nate). Nate was always chasing receivers from behind because those were his men.
 
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Just from watching the game... you can just tell who's man it was. And why would Nate Clements be playing "underneath" coverage against Moss? The 49ers don't run a cover 2. I don't care what Mike Nolan was saying (he was just trying to cover for Nate). Nate was always chasing receivers from behind because those were his men.
Go watch the game homie. I have it on DVR. It was a zone and Nate had the underneath zone. When Moss starts out running straight ahead Nate moves toward the middle of the field to cover his ZONE while Walt Harris tries to run with Randy Moss and TRIPS. On the replay the announcers even point it out.

And Nate is chasing them from an angle homie, that alone should tell you it's not his man - especially when you see another defender closer to the receiver. He's following the ball.

I watch, record and rewatch every single Niner game. I know what I'm talking about. Pay a little closer attention next time bro, you'll see what I'm saying.
 

Chree

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lmfao @ still arguing with tony, Fatal, he always thinks hes right, u just gotta let him think hes right, maybe he will challenge u to a madden game online lmao