I dont know how many of you have heard about Westburo Baptist Church from Kansas these retards protest outside of military funerals and other funerals. Claming that since america allows homosexuals god is punishing us by killing our troops and that god also allowed 9/11 to happen. now they are talking about protesting outside of the 9yo girls funeral that was killed in the arizona shootings. I say this much im for free speech but they are going way overboard and honestly it wouldnt hurt my feelings if somebody did burn there church down or beat the living dogshit out of these people. its not right what they are doing and no matter how much they try and justicify there reasoning its not right at all and fuck them and when they die I hope satan makes them his bitch.
Funeral protesters
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http://www.examiner.com/religion-cu...-to-pass-bill-to-stop-westboro-baptist-church
Emergency legislation was passed by Arizona lawmakers to protect mourners today. This emergency legislation was passed to keep protestors like Westboro Baptist Church from protesting at the funerals.
According to ABC, "Arizona State Representative Kyrsten Sinema said when she heard of the plans, she got downright angry and decided to take action." The bill requires any protestors, such as Westboro Baptist Church, to be at least least 300 feet away from the funeral from an hour before the funeral starts to an hour after it ends. This will allow the family members and friends to grieve in peace; however, Westboro Church does not even need to be at the funerals. But there is a First Ammendment right for free speech but these people take it over the limit because they forget what respect and sanity is.
The funeral are to be held Thursday and Friday and hopefully, this bill will let the families have the funerals in peace. Nobody deserves to be put through being picketed while they are burying a loved one or friend.
Additionally, there is a Facebook page set up to stop the protests. The page is called "Stop Hate Here."
Continue reading on Examiner.com: Lawmakers to pass bill to stop Westboro Baptist Church - National Religion & Culture | Examiner.com http://www.examiner.com/religion-cu...to-stop-westboro-baptist-church#ixzz1AppZ1rB5
Emergency legislation was passed by Arizona lawmakers to protect mourners today. This emergency legislation was passed to keep protestors like Westboro Baptist Church from protesting at the funerals.
According to ABC, "Arizona State Representative Kyrsten Sinema said when she heard of the plans, she got downright angry and decided to take action." The bill requires any protestors, such as Westboro Baptist Church, to be at least least 300 feet away from the funeral from an hour before the funeral starts to an hour after it ends. This will allow the family members and friends to grieve in peace; however, Westboro Church does not even need to be at the funerals. But there is a First Ammendment right for free speech but these people take it over the limit because they forget what respect and sanity is.
The funeral are to be held Thursday and Friday and hopefully, this bill will let the families have the funerals in peace. Nobody deserves to be put through being picketed while they are burying a loved one or friend.
Additionally, there is a Facebook page set up to stop the protests. The page is called "Stop Hate Here."
Continue reading on Examiner.com: Lawmakers to pass bill to stop Westboro Baptist Church - National Religion & Culture | Examiner.com http://www.examiner.com/religion-cu...to-stop-westboro-baptist-church#ixzz1AppZ1rB5
It goes both ways. Just as much as these laws protect the perpetrator, if we go too far in the other direction, we're censoring legitimate speech. These people are horribly abusing the right to free speech, but they're still expressing their belief (i.e. god hates gays and we are being punished for it). I know their belief is fucked, you know their belief is fucked, but at the end of the day if we judged who's beliefs were legitimate and who's beliefs are bullshit, eventually we're gonna be wrong.
I'd much rather let people protest funerals and go on Nazi marches, than start down this slippery slope where we decide which speech is okay and which speech isn't. It's the price we pay for freedom. Even the views that we disagree with are essential for democratic discourse. The theory about the "marketplace of ideas" basically says that a free exchange of ideas is the best way to improve public policy, and anytime we drive an opinion underground, its just going to fester and get more ugly. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marketplace_of_ideas
People like the Westboro Baptist Church would do a lot more damage if they were censored and operated underground and only discussed their fucked up ideas amongst themselves. By letting them speak publicly, we're opening up a debate.
I'm all for a time/place/manner restriction at funerals the way we have them at an abortion clinic. I just think that the way our free speech laws are, nothing good will come out of giving politicians the discretion to decide which speech is okay and which speech isn't.
I'd much rather let people protest funerals and go on Nazi marches, than start down this slippery slope where we decide which speech is okay and which speech isn't. It's the price we pay for freedom. Even the views that we disagree with are essential for democratic discourse. The theory about the "marketplace of ideas" basically says that a free exchange of ideas is the best way to improve public policy, and anytime we drive an opinion underground, its just going to fester and get more ugly. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marketplace_of_ideas
People like the Westboro Baptist Church would do a lot more damage if they were censored and operated underground and only discussed their fucked up ideas amongst themselves. By letting them speak publicly, we're opening up a debate.
I'm all for a time/place/manner restriction at funerals the way we have them at an abortion clinic. I just think that the way our free speech laws are, nothing good will come out of giving politicians the discretion to decide which speech is okay and which speech isn't.
I totally agree with you and I would never want to give politicians the discretion of deciding what is free speech.
As far as I am concerned what the protesters are doing should be considered free speech and they should not be stopped by the government.
However, I also believe that within the realm of free speech, that if you incite someone to attack you they should not be held responsible.
In other words, in my understanding of the law, you can file a lawsuit against someone for directing "fighting words" at you - however if you assault the person for doing so you cannot use the fact that they directed fighting words towards you first as defense, you will still be in trouble for assault.
My argument is that we should change the law so that if you intentionally incite someone that they can assault you in retaliation they same way they would if you physically assaulted them.
If someone says to me "fuck you I am gonna kill you" I should be able to kill them in retaliation under the context that they incited me to do so.
Otherwise, the law continues to protect the perpetrator.
There is a law right now for incitement, basically saying that inciting somebody to attack is illegal if there is an imminent likelihood of an attack based on your incitement. The current test is found in Brandenburg v. Ohio. The THREAT of incitement isn't enough. There has to be actual incitement. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brandenburg_v._Ohio
But the "fighting words" doctrine died out a long time ago, it hasn't been used in about 100 years. The last time it was used was when some dude on a sidewalk basically called someone an asshole and got popped in the face. That shit doesn't fly these days.
The government is allowed to do "content neutral" restrictions. (I.e. they can ban ALL speech at funerals, as long as they don't ban speech on the basis of the speaker's viewpoint.) But they can't do "content based" restrictions. That would mean that Westboro Baptist isn't allowed to show up at the funeral, but neither is the Red Cross. I'm all for just telling these people that they're not allowed to show up, period. It's not appropriate.
But the "fighting words" doctrine died out a long time ago, it hasn't been used in about 100 years. The last time it was used was when some dude on a sidewalk basically called someone an asshole and got popped in the face. That shit doesn't fly these days.
The government is allowed to do "content neutral" restrictions. (I.e. they can ban ALL speech at funerals, as long as they don't ban speech on the basis of the speaker's viewpoint.) But they can't do "content based" restrictions. That would mean that Westboro Baptist isn't allowed to show up at the funeral, but neither is the Red Cross. I'm all for just telling these people that they're not allowed to show up, period. It's not appropriate.
Wait....are these the same as the God Hates Fags people with Fred Phelps?
That dude showed up at my college back in 2005. He was pissing off hella people. He saw a white girl and a black guy, told them they were going to hell. Saw a gay kid, told him he was going to hell. Then people wonder why the fuck I'm agnostic.
That dude showed up at my college back in 2005. He was pissing off hella people. He saw a white girl and a black guy, told them they were going to hell. Saw a gay kid, told him he was going to hell. Then people wonder why the fuck I'm agnostic.
yeah same guy, www.godhatesfags.com
it's the only group that protests funerals, just a bunch of nutbags.
it's the only group that protests funerals, just a bunch of nutbags.
They are protesting the funeral because it will be a Catholic funeral. These Baptists oppose the Catholic church becuase of all the bishop-on-choir-boy sex that has been basically looked past by the Pope. They even go as far as to say that the Catholic church is actually into devil worshipping.
I heart christian on christian violence.
I heart christian on christian violence.
