AND I'M NOT SPELL CHECKIN THIS SHIT....
Ok, we don't live in India here. I would say that most schools do have televisions these days in this country...
Don't have to live in India. The fact many schools in the us are underfunded should tell you something. Like I said, even if the tvs are in every single class room, kids are not sitting there watching tv, so why bring it up?
Of course it defeats the purpose, and I'm not arguing against that. Im saying that many students DO take those types of electronics to school and listen to them on campus, either in class or on lunch or break.
Now how does this revert back to bong hits for jesus?
Of course you can't give an account for everyone, but like you mentioned, some are drinking and smoking. For those that are, why shouldn't they be allowed to mention what goes on in their own PERSONAL life?
What part of IT IS ILLEGAL do you NOT understand? Do you come from some RETARDED place in our universe where everyone is talking about what they do in their personal life regardless if it is illegal or not? Do you realize that it is DISRUPTIVE to the SCHOOL environment when the school does NOT want to talk about drug usage as a POSITIVE thing? Seriously, what part of this do you NOT understand?
Would you talk about drug use in a professional environment? Seriously, if you were working at a business (used shoe sales, computer tech, police officer, etc), do you think it would be appropriate to talk about teh drugs you use in your private life?
It is my opinion that a student will learn more easily when they can relate their own personal life to the criteria at school, do you disagree?
Please clarify/rephrase your question.
I know it's not reality for everyone, NOTHING is reality for EVERYONE! And I don't see how a sign like that detracts from the learning environment, when it should do things like spark debates and things like that.
A sign like that has the possibility to detract from the learning environment and the supreme court agreed.
but was suspended for violating the school's policy of promoting illegal substances at a school-sanctioned event.
Does the school have a policy? Yes. Does the policy forbid the promoting of illegal substances? Yes. Does it prohibit the promotion of substances at school sanctioned events? Yes. Did he promote illegal substance abuse? Yes. Bong hits for Jesus, implies jesus should HIT the bong and should be allowed to do so (an ACTION.)
No sir, I agree that it should be allowed just like any other words and ideas. I don't believe in any sort of censorship because I feel it takes away from a student's learning experience.
Again, this way of thinking will create another nation of junkies. Just talk about everything, put all your business out there and don't worry about anyone NOT becoming curious. Don't worry about anyone doing drugs behind the things you say because we all know teens don't do things they shouldn't do to fit in with their peers...:dead:
You need to come with a more
REALISTIC argument here.
If the confederate flag is just a rag, than the sign is just cardboard with some words on it...
You need to google inductive and deductive reasoning. The confederate flag has NUMEROUS meanings depending on who is looking at the flag. How many interpretations can you come up with for BONG HITS FOR JESUS? Does the confederate flag say GO KILL NIGGERS? Does it give an INSTRUCTION or name a PERSON? No.
You're exhausting everything you have, so please dig deep and try to come up with a more sensible POV.
I don't see "Bong hits for Jesus" as advocacy though, just a controversial statement that gets people like yourself to wet their panties because it has to do with drugs and religion.
This has nothing to do with religion and everything to do with drug advocacy. If I say "FREE PORN FOR THE SICCNESS", am I not advocating that the siccness get free porn? If I say, "FREE DRINKS ON ME", am I not suggesting that I am going to pick up the tab? How is bong hits for jesus NOT implying that jesus (dead or alive/real or unreal) should HIT the bong?
And thanks for taking this convo their cause now the gloves will come off.
I understand the job the school is trying to do, raise a bunch of sheep who never think for themselves and follow rules their whole entire life. I have a huge problem with this, you obviously don't.
No, you don't understand what the school is trying to do, because if you did you would probably be praising the school for a job well done. You my friend want a nation of junkies, and judging from your posts you seem like a junkie so this is a case of "birds of the feather." You fail to realize that teens are most influenced by EACH OTHER, and if all they are talking about is weed smoking because some adult is to FUCKED UP in the head to step in and limit that, you'll have more junkies than you can shake a stick at.
So while I do encourage DISCUSSION, I do not encourage PROMOTION, and if kids are doing something ILLEGAL school is NOT the place for open discussion.
We will have a nation of junkies? If wasn't even aware that smoking pot makes one a junkie?
Do you want to discuss the mental
dependency it causes? Do you want to discuss the
possible links to other drugs? How about marijuana and
crime?
They won't care about Bush? Does it seem like people care now Heresy? I understand there needs to be balance and some regulation, but censoring words and ideas from schools is simply retarded.
Drugs have no place in schools unless the discussion is a controlled environment dedicated to helping teens get off drugs or stay away from them. If students at school are forced to wear uniforms because it possibly curtails some gang violence, why would you expect a school to have unlimited freedom of speech and expression? Do you NOT realize that school is a private sector? Do you not realize that schools have a duty to the community and PARENTS?
You can't expect a student to sacrifice his own personal life and experiences in the classroom just because a bunch of guppies can't see the reality that exists with young people and drugs/alcohol. By making those things taboo to talk about at school, do you think it stops more people from doing them, or encourages more people by doing them?
Bong hits for jesus does NOT equate to "Lets talk about drugs and how it has a negative impact on our society." Please STOP with the impracticable assumptions and look at reality. If he was wanting to discuss the adverse effects of drugs/alcohol why not do it in the proper fashion? Why not hold a school debate about it? Why not hand out pamplets at school urging discussion? Why not go to the board and raise concerns?
Talking about them in the way HE did it encourages it. I have NO PROBLEM talking about it if they are talking about it in a way that does NOT promote drug use. What part of this is hard for you to grasp? Yes talk about it, but if it is promoting or advocating it we don't want to hear it. What part of that is hard to understand? What part of advocating and promoting it detracts from the learning environment do you not understand?
How does censoring things help students in any way? Do you not understand the mentality of a young person, or have you forgotten? Why did you take a gun to school, like you mentioned earlier?
Because I was a dumbfuck who thought it would be nice to have a firearm on campus. Yes I understand the mentality of a student which is why I am saying what I am saying. I also understand the mentality of students because I tutor college students who are fresh out of high school. CENSORING the PROMOTION or ADVOCACY of ILLEGAL SUBSTANCES helps reduce the chance of the person doing it and it leads to LESS problems further down the road.
My mode of thinking is to not censor anything at all, and for schools to realize that students are young adults and the child-like treatment they recieve will produce child-like adults who are good for nothing...
So if you don't censor anything at all, a kid yells FIRE and a gangload of people are trampled in the process then what? If you don't censor anything, a kid writes about killing students, comes to school a week later and mows down 20 kids then what?
Quick question, do you understand what instituionalized deviance is?
I'm not promoting anything but free speech and non-censorship.
No you are promoting junkie lifestyles.
Yes I read that, I still don't agree with the actions of the school and the court's decision though...
At this point no one cares. BUCKLE UP.
What do young kids do? Rebel
And when rebellion continues on to adulthood what happens? Jail or death. When rebellion is ENCOURAGED what usually happens? Jail or death.
What does censoring things and making big controversies like this do? Those trying to rebel get a great opportunity because of such a huge overreaction to things like this
No, it creates landmark rulings in our society and it ensures me that at least one more child is protected from junkies.
Without censorship, the "taboo" behind things like marijuana go away.
Not true. You will still have the taboo factor from the religious folks and LAW ENFORCEMENT. If you believe the taboo factor is going to go away just because people are going to talk about it you're nuts. Whatever you are smoking, you need to make sure if I ever start smoking again that you're the first person I hit up. You must be off BOBCAT or somethin....
If you want to ask rhetorical questions, than please don't write it after one of my quotes because I will assume they are not rhetorical and aimed at me.
If you can't tell the difference ASK. I am not going to change my posting style because some guy can't get it right. Thats not an option for me.
EMERGENCY
GOTTA RUN.
