I mean, I mean...
Regardless of how well you debate your position, you are NEVER going to appear to be the winner on a show like that. Everytime you make a good point, the hosts just turn up the volume on their mic and shout over you, and repeat the same ass old shit they've been shouting the whole time. So the viewer doesn't get an opportunity to hear a real discussion b/c you have the hosts shouting over the guests like it's an argument between high school girls.