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HERESY

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FunK-3-FivE said:
Common misconception, there is no such theory.

Refer to the thread Evolution: The Facts
You need to read the question again. I see many posts in this thread claiming, "creationist believe this" and "creationalist believe that", but in the past we've had atheists and supporters of evolution make the claim that we evolved from monkeys (until they were corrected by people in this forum.)

Now, if you want to call the "belief" that man evolved from monkeys a "misconception" it doesn't matter. You can call it whatever the hell you want, but the question still stands. Where did the MISCONCEPTION come from?
 

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Such misconceptions might have derived from a popular outdated graph of an ape evolving into a man. Unfortunately it has been shown to many lay-people as a summary of evolution. It can also be to blame for misconception #3. This popular graph does not represent or summarize Evolution in any way, It was meant to be an example of just one Evolutionary Theory (and BTW meant to show a change over a span of hundreds of thousands of years).
What is this popular outdated graph? Who the fuck wrote the info in that thread? You?
 
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HERESY said:
You need to read the question again. I see many posts in this thread claiming, "creationist believe this" and "creationalist believe that", but in the past we've had atheists and supporters of evolution make the claim that we evolved from monkeys (until they were corrected by people in this forum.)

Now, if you want to call the "belief" that man evolved from monkeys a "misconception" it doesn't matter. You can call it whatever the hell you want, but the question still stands. Where did the MISCONCEPTION come from?
probably people confusing monkeys with apes considering the many similarites in phenotype, and lack of understanding that there even exists a difference between the two. many people probably think the term monkey and ape are interchangable, like pepsi and coke. "im sorry we dont have pepsi"..."coke is fine". lol.
 
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HERESY said:
You need to read the question again. I see many posts in this thread claiming, "creationist believe this" and "creationalist believe that", but in the past we've had atheists and supporters of evolution make the claim that we evolved from monkeys (until they were corrected by people in this forum.)
What are you talking about? The thread was not aimed towards creationism or creations solely, you misread. If you read my introduction I make it clear that the entire thread was not aimed at just creationists, but uneducated persons, creationists and evolutionists alike...

FunK-3-FivE said:
After discussing Evolution numerous times on this board, I have learned that the majority of Creationists (and even some on the Evolution side) have some outstanding misconceptions of what Evolution is. It's no wonder some Creationists don't "believe" Evolution exists. I find it rather sad that I'm seeing such extremely uneducated and ignorant posts on the board pertaining to Evolution.

HERESY said:
Now, if you want to call the "belief" that man evolved from monkeys a "misconception" it doesn't matter. You can call it whatever the hell you want, but the question still stands. Where did the MISCONCEPTION come from?
When I read your statement "Where did the belief that man evolved from monkeys come from?" I obviously assumed you held the misconception yourself that such a theory existed. My bad, I had no idea you already knew it was a misconception. Where did it come from? I'd probably guess Ignorant Redneck Christian-Conservatives, haha.
 

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What are you talking about?
You know what I'm talking about.

The thread was not aimed towards creationism or creations solely, you misread.
No, YOU misread, for I never said or impled that it was aimed solely towards creationism or creationists.

If you read my introduction I make it clear that the entire thread was not aimed at just creationists, but uneducated persons, creationists and evolutionists alike...
SEE ABOVE.

When I read your statement "Where did the belief that man evolved from monkeys come from?" I obviously assumed you held the misconception yourself that such a theory existed. My bad, I had no idea you already knew it was a misconception. Where did it come from? I'd probably guess Ignorant Redneck Christian-Conservatives, haha.
No problem, but the answer to the question is vital and will cause people to no longer point fingers at "others".
 

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HERESY said:
You need to read the question again. I see many posts in this thread claiming, "creationist believe this" and "creationalist believe that", but in the past we've had atheists and supporters of evolution make the claim that we evolved from monkeys (until they were corrected by people in this forum.)

Now, if you want to call the "belief" that man evolved from monkeys a "misconception" it doesn't matter. You can call it whatever the hell you want, but the question still stands. Where did the MISCONCEPTION come from?
We belong to the order Primates, together with apes, monkeys and lemurs

All these groups share a common ancestor and it would probably have been called a monkey or a lemur if it was alive today, that's what I wanted to say (about 5 months ago)

if we're going to argue over semantics, we're not going to have a contructive dialogue
 
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HERESY said:
What is this popular outdated graph?
Basically;


It doesn't represent evolution but for some reason has been used to symbolize evolution. The Homonid Evolutionary timeline of the walking man is used to demonstrate an Evolutionary Theory. Of course you can see why ignorant people would look at this, be confused, and start making claims such as "I didn't evolve from a fucking monkey, evolution is bullshit!".
 
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HERESY said:
No problem, but the answer to the question is vital and will cause people to no longer point fingers at "others".
Okay, fair enough I see what you're getting at.

The misconception is held by ignorant people on both sides, Evolutionists and Creationists alike.

And that's the point, it's sad how uneducated on the subject some people are, yet they attempt to argue it anyways. I see uneducated people on BOTH sides misleading others.
 

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ThaG said:
We belong to the order Primates, together with apes, monkeys and lemurs

All these groups share a common ancestor and it would probably have been called a monkey or a lemur if it was alive today, that's what I wanted to say (about 5 months ago)

if we're going to argue over semantics, we're not going to have a contructive dialogue
Funk understands where I was going with this. It isn't a matter of semantics with me, because thats not what I'm questioning. What I'm questioning is the ORIGIN of the MISCONCEPTION/BELIEF that man evolved from a monkey.
 

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My understanding is that creationists' problem is not whether we evolved from monkey or not, but rather that we evolved from something

That's what they are so much emotionally opposed to evolution, and as a result they reject the obvious fact that evolution is real and we are part of it

From that point of view it doesn't really matter whether man evolved from monkeys or apes, or they just share a common ancestor, it's the very fact that man evolved that some ignorant people find unacceptable
 
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well since you wanna play the ape card.. i don't see how people can believe we came from a man and man's rib which magically created a pussy.. we shouldn't' be tryin' to disprove evolution.. we should be disproving your bullshit story of adam and eve.. in our modern day time.. with all the high tech gadgets we got.. can we reproduce that story... we should be questionin' your beliefs.. if you can believe this.. how can someone not believe the ape to human picture.. not sayin' either are correct.. just pointing out.. people believe crazy shit.. chritians bein' the people in this case.

wolf ----> dog.
 

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My understanding is that creationists' problem is not whether we evolved from monkey or not, but rather that we evolved from something
Yes, but this doesn't address my question.

That's what they are so much emotionally opposed to evolution, and as a result they reject the obvious fact that evolution is real and we are part of it
You should stop geralizing my friend. They are opposed to certain elemants/aspects of evolution.

From that point of view it doesn't really matter whether man evolved from monkeys or apes, or they just share a common ancestor, it's the very fact that man evolved that some ignorant people find unacceptable
You are entitled to your opinion that they are ignorant, but you must also consider the ignorance of evolutionists who don't understand what they believe. However, your statement does not answer my question.
 
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Give and Take

That is all. That's how things go, You give and they take, sometimes, or more than other times it is rejected. Oh well

@H, what was it that you were going to send me?
 

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|GOD|||ZILLA| said:
well since you wanna play the ape card.. i don't see how people can believe we came from a man and man's rib which magically created a pussy.. we shouldn't' be tryin' to disprove evolution.. we should be disproving your bullshit story of adam and eve.. in our modern day time.. with all the high tech gadgets we got.. can we reproduce that story... we should be questionin' your beliefs.. if you can believe this.. how can someone not believe the ape to human picture.. not sayin' either are correct.. just pointing out.. people believe crazy shit.. chritians bein' the people in this case.

wolf ----> dog.
Please tell me this isn't directed at me.
 
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HERESY said:
It could have been giggling school girls, and it matters because if creationists are NOT the origin of the misconception they should not be BLAMED for starting the misconception.
I don't think anyone is blaming them for the misconception, they're just simply saying that a lot of them use that misconception as proof that evolution doesn't exist, and that's very much true.