Edward Abbey On Immigration

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In the American Southwest, where I happen to live, only sixty miles north of the Mexican border, the subject of illegal aliens is a touchy one. Even the terminology is dangerous: the old word wetback is now considered a racist insult by all good liberals; and the perfectly correct terms illegal alien and illegal immigrant can set off charges of xenophobia, elitism, fascism, and the ever-popular genocide against anyone careless enough to use them. The only acceptable euphemism, it now appears, is something called undocumented worker. Thus the pregnant Mexican woman who appears, in the final stages of labor, at the doors of the emergency ward of an El Paso or San Diego hospital, demanding care for herself and the child she's about to deliver, becomes an "undocumented worker." The child becomes an automatic American citizen by virtue of its place of birth, eligible at once for all of the usual public welfare benefits. And with the child comes not only the mother but the child's family. And the mother's family. And the father's family. Can't break up families can we? They come to stay and they stay to multiply.

What of it? say the documented liberals; ours is a rich and generous nation, we have room for all, let them come. And let them stay, say the conservatives; a large, cheap, frightened, docile, surplus labor force is exactly what the economy needs. Put some fear into the unions: tighten discipline, spur productivity, whip up the competition for jobs. The conservatives love their cheap labor; the liberals love their cheap cause. (Neither group, you will notice, ever invites the immigrants to move into their homes. Not into their homes!) Both factions are supported by the cornucopia economists of the ever-expanding economy, who actually continue to believe that our basic resource is not land, air, water, but human bodies, more and more of them, the more the better in hive upon hive, world without end - ignoring the clear fact that those nations which most avidly practice this belief, such as Haiti, Puerto Rico, Mexico, to name only three, don't seem to be doing well. They look more like explosive slow-motion disasters, in fact, volcanic anthills, than functioning human societies. But that which our academic economists will not see and will not acknowledge is painfully obvious to los latinos: they stream north in ever-growing numbers.

Meanwhile, here at home in the land of endless plenty, we seem still unable to solve our traditional and nagging difficulties. After forty years of the most fantastic economic growth in the history of mankind, the United States remains burdened with mass unemployment, permanent poverty, an overloaded welfare system, violent crime, clogged courts, jam-packed prisons, commercial ("white-collar") crime, rotting cities and a poisoned environment, eroding farmlands and the disappearing family farm all of the usual forms of racial ethnic and sexual conflict (which immigration further intensifies), plus the ongoing destruction of what remains of our forests, fields, mountains, lakes, rivers, and seashores, accompanied by the extermination of whole specie's of plants and animals. To name but a few of our little nagging difficulties.

This being so, it occurs to some of us that perhaps evercontinuing industrial and population growth is not the true road to human happiness, that simple gross quantitative increase of this kind creates only more pain, dislocation, confusion, and misery. In which case it might be wise for us as American citizens to consider calling a halt to the mass influx of even more millions of hungry, ignorant, unskilled, and culturallymorally-generically impoverished people. At least until we have brought our own affairs into order. Especially when these uninvited millions bring with them an alien mode of life which - let us be honest about this - is not appealing to the majority of Americans. Why not? Because we prefer democratic government, for one thing; because we still hope for an open, spacious, uncrowded, and beautiful-yes, beautiful!-society, for another. The alternative, in the squalor, cruelty, and corruption of Latin America, is plain for all to see.

Yes, I know, if the American Indians had enforced such a policy none of us pale-faced honkies would be here. But the Indians were foolish, and divided, and failed to keep our WASP ancestors out. They've regretted it ever since.

To everything there is a season, to every wave a limit, to every range an optimum capacity. The United States has been fully settled, and more than full, for at least a century. We have nothing to gain, and everything to lose, by allowing the old boat to be swamped. How many of us, truthfully, would prefer to be submerged in the Caribbean-Latin version of civilization? (Howls of "Racism! Elitism! Xenophobia!" from the Marx brothers and the documented liberals.) Harsh words: but somebody has to say them. We cannot play "let's pretend" much longer, not in the present world.

Therefore-let us close our national borders to any further mass immigration, legal or illegal, from any source, as does every other nation on earth. The means are available, it's a simple technical-military problem. Even our Pentagon should be able to handle it. We've got an army somewhere on this planet, let's bring our soldiers home and station them where they can be of some actual and immediate benefit to the taxpayers who support them. That done, we can begin to concentrate attention on badly neglected internal affairs. Our internal affairs. Everyone would benefit, including the neighbors. Especially the neighbors. Ah yes. But what about those hungry hundreds of millions, those anxious billions, yearning toward the United States from every dark and desperate corner of the world? Shall we simply ignore them? Reject them? Is such a course possible?

"Poverty," said Samuel Johnson, "is the great enemy of human happiness. It certainly destroys liberty, makes some virtues impracticable, and all virtues extremely difficult."

You can say that again, Sam.

Poverty, injustice, over breeding, overpopulation, suffering, oppression, military rule, squalor, torture, terror, massacre: these ancient evils feed and breed on one another in synergistic symbiosis. To break the cycles of pain at least two new forces are required: social equity - and birth control. Population control. Our Hispanic neighbors are groping toward this discovery. If we truly wish to help them we must stop meddling in their domestic troubles and permit them to carry out the social, political, and moral revolution which is both necessary and inevitable.

Or if we must meddle, as we have always done, let us meddle for a change in a constructive way. Stop every campesino at our southern border, give him a handgun, a good rifle, and a case of ammunition, and send him home. He will know what to do with our gifts and good wishes. The people know who their enemies are.
 
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In which case it might be wise for us as American citizens to consider calling a halt to the mass influx of even more millions of hungry, ignorant, unskilled, and culturallymorally-generically impoverished people.

The author of that is an idiot because he falsley tries to blame everything wrong in America on immigrants from Mexico.

Try again...

After forty years of the most fantastic economic growth in the history of mankind, the United States remains burdened with mass unemployment, permanent poverty, an overloaded welfare system, violent crime, clogged courts, jam-packed prisons, commercial ("white-collar") crime, rotting cities and a poisoned environment, eroding farmlands and the disappearing family farm all of the usual forms of racial ethnic and sexual conflict (which immigration further intensifies), plus the ongoing destruction of what remains of our forests, fields, mountains, lakes, rivers, and seashores, accompanied by the extermination of whole specie's of plants and animals. To name but a few of our little nagging difficulties.

LOL, look at this shit...

Or if we must meddle, as we have always done, let us meddle for a change in a constructive way. Stop every campesino at our southern border, give him a handgun, a good rifle, and a case of ammunition, and send him home. He will know what to do with our gifts and good wishes. The people know who their enemies are.

I would like to see this, as soon as the campesino got the handgun he'd be shooting up as many gavachos as he could see...
 
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He isn't trying to blame immigrants for all of America's problems he's saying that their problems add to these problems. Put all that mochisimo on hold and try to read it in an unbiased frame of mind. Abbey is simply sayen there is no more room. And he's right. He's sayen he doesn't want to see america become as shitty as Mexico. And why do you think mexico is shitty? Is it because of the perfect climate or the once natural beauty?

Sayen E.A. an idiot is dumber than thinken a kid who is given a gun is gunna start Kappen at the US army tanks.
 
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He isn't trying to blame immigrants for all of America's problems he's saying that their problems add to these problems. Put all that mochisimo on hold and try to read it in an unbiased frame of mind. Abbey is simply sayen there is no more room. And he's right. He's sayen he doesn't want to see america become as shitty as Mexico. And why do you think mexico is shitty? Is it because of the perfect climate or the once natural beauty?

Sayen E.A. an idiot is dumber than thinken a kid who is given a gun is gunna start Kappen at the US army tanks.
Mochismo? LMFAO...

Mexico didn't become shitty because of overpopulation, are you fuckin kidding me? Neither did any place in Latin America. Those places are "shitty" in order to keep your great United States the way it is, through treaties like NAFTA which fuck up business and send money to foreign investors instead of keeping the money and resources circulating locally.

So get the fuck outta here with that shit...
 
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Bullshit Mexico is shitty because thats how powerful mexicans like it (I never said it was overpopulation). You can't blame america for everything give the credit to corrupt mexican politicians, Coke lords and a passive prolitariate. They deserve it get the fuck out of here with that zero accountability crap.
 
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Bullshit Mexico is shitty because thats how powerful mexicans like it (I never said it was overpopulation). You can't blame america for everything give to the credit to corrupt mexican politicians, Coke lords and a passive prolitariate. They deserve it get the fuck out of here with that zero accountability crap.
Ahhh, don't get shit twisted homie. NOTHING happens without US approval in Mexico, and it's been that way since Mexico's been highly in debt. The US controls the economy on this side of the hemisphere, so they run shit.

Corrupt Mexican politicians are there and have been, but they wouldn't have triumphed like they have if it wasn't for US government backing them. No one is on some "zero accountability crap" either, just keep it real...
 
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Regarding Mexico:

You can’t place all the blame on Fox (although he is of course part of the problem and likely a racist as you pointed out. BTW, he was previously supervisor of Coca-Cola's operations in Mexico, and then in all of Latin America). It’s not like Mexicans weren’t leaving Mexico before him. The US and NAFTA (so called Free Trade) are to blame as well.

• NAFTA, by permitting heavily-subsidized US corn and other agri-business products to compete with small Mexican farmers, has driven the Mexican farmer off the land due to low-priced imports of US corn and other agricultural products. Some 2 million Mexicans have been forced out of agriculture, and many of those that remain are living in desperate poverty. These people are among those that cross the border to feed their families. (Meanwhile, corn-based tortilla prices climbed by 50%.

• NAFTA’s service-sector rules allowed big firms like Wal-Mart to enter the Mexican market and, selling low-priced goods made by ultra-cheap labor in China, to displace locally-based shoe, toy, and candy firms. An estimated 28,000 small and medium-sized Mexican businesses have been eliminated.

• Wages along the Mexican border have actually been driven down by about 25% since NAFTA, reported a Carnegie Endowment study. An over-supply of workers, combined with the crushing of union organizing drives as government policy, has resulted in sweatshop pay running sweatshops along the border where wages typically run 60 cents to $1 an hour.

There were 2.5 million Mexican illegals in 1995; 8 million have crossed the border since then. In 2005, some 400 desperate Mexicans died trying to enter the US.

The above four paragraphs were taken from an article which you can read in its entirety here
 
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Thats all these mufuckas say, zero accountability. This bitch ass racist (Abbeyu) just admitted that his WASP ancestors did way more damage than illegals could ever do, but it aint his fault he livin comfy because the Indians were "foolish, and divided, and failed to keep our WASP ancestors out." So I guess to people like him, and it seems like alot of other ho ass mufuckas on this board, who constantly talkin shit and sayin divisive things about minorities, that once you in power and benefitiing, it's fuck my accountability and play reverse psychology on the one who is assaulted. America is rich from subjugating and marginalizing non-western people around the globe and in its poorer communities.
 
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This article was written in 1986 before NAFTA was anywhere near an issue. It was written back when Reagan was financing death squads in Nicaragua. You don't have to try to teach me about Central American repression by the US my parents had me protesting US foreign policy when I was 8 years old.

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What article did you read?
They need a revolution and letting people run here is not going to resolve anything but eating up the american peoples natural resouces as he said we are full NO VACANCY unless there is a mass emigration. In my opinion we shouldn't allow immigration from anywhere Austria, Albania, Argentina anywhere.


Edward abbey was no racist he called it like he saw it. He was an amazing author/environmental actavist. You all should read the Monkey Wrench Gang.
 
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This article was written in 1986 before NAFTA was anywhere near an issue. It was written back when Reagan was financing death squads in Nicaragua. You don't have to try to teach me about Central American repression by the US my parents had me protesting US foreign policy when I was 8 years old.

Dhadnot
What article did you read?
They need a revolution and letting people run here is not going to resolve anything but eating up the american peoples natural resouces as he said we are full NO VACANCY unless there is a mass emigration. In my opinion we shouldn't allow immigration from anywhere Austria, Albania, Argentina anywhere.


Edward abbey was no racist he called it like he saw it. He was an amazing author/environmental actavist. You all should read the Monkey Wrench Gang.
That's probably his problem, he cares more about the arts, and the enviroment then fellow flesh and blood people. But if he isn't racist, what's with all the wetback talk and such, and the Indian thing?
 
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This article was written in 1986 before NAFTA was anywhere near an issue. It was written back when Reagan was financing death squads in Nicaragua. You don't have to try to teach me about Central American repression by the US my parents had me protesting US foreign policy when I was 8 years old.
Well you should have included the date of the article, otherwise myself and others will assume it's at least somewhat recent.