E-40 wonders why Dr Dre won't work with him

[Sydal]

And there you have the reason why the westcoast aint on like other regions and never really has been when it comes to the WHOLE coast bein on. Our top producers and industry execs dont even fuck wit errybody on they own coast. You dont see that shit nowhere else but here. Timbo fucks wit errybody, kanye, scott storch, polo, jd, cool and dre, just blaze, bavid banner, the runner, etc.. They all fuck wit they regions from top to bottom, indy or major, and coast to coast. I respect Dre for all he's done for the west in the past. He's a legend and I grew up off a lot of his shit so i'll never say anything about that. But I dont respect him for not showing any luv to anything outside of so cal when it comes to cali. He's fucked wit damn near every other coast outside of cali but not once did anything for any artists down the street from his own backyard (THE BAY). That shit dont make sense. And this goes for snoops ass too. He didnt fuck wit 40 musically til a couple years ago when the bay was on. Thats the problem wit the west. None of them LA cats are about extendin a hand and puttin other places in cali on. They hella selfish and got way too big of egos. Game is the only one that's ever really tried to model how other regions get down by tryin to put the whole coast on and I respect him for that.


And before any of you cats try and tell me anything about being wrong understand that I worked for warner bros for two years and geffen for another. I'm in this industry and not just on the sidelines talkin. A lot of industry execs would co sign everything i just posted cuz its the TRUTH. Period.

That's all fine and dandy, but why is it up to cats to reach out? This here is a business, which means it's about money. If I've learned one thing about the Bay Area, it's that a lot of artists want shit given to them because they think they deserve it. Well, cats like Dre don't fuck around with that...they want what they want, and if you can't produce it, he won't produce you. Plain and simple. Kanye, Timbo, Scott Storch, etc. etc. are all businessmen as well. They all fuck with major players, not indie cats. If they fuck with indie cats, it's because the indie cats are willing to break the bread. But yea, Timbo, Kanye, Scott Storch haven't put ANYBODY ON! Also, Dre is THE MAN when it comes to rap. Those cats you mentioned didn't mold the game, didn't create a standard for the game...DRE did.

As for being a record label employee, and having execs vouch for you...what's that supposed to prove? Record labels and execs are the reason rap music is in the state it's in right now. And don't tell me I'm wrong, because I've been in front of A&R's who tried to tell me I needed one or two singles, and I needed to change my sound to cater to the little ones. Maybe if label executives were more focused on entire projects rather than a few singles, shit would be different. So, just because a label executive says something, doesn't make it FACT!

 

[threefoe]

Remember how Dr. Dre made them bleep out that part of Get stupid on the radio..... "This beat go, cuddy where you get it, you aint know, Dr. Dre did it"

Dr. Dre is an LA dude so he's trying to keep LA up and he's on his own level, he don't need to work with anybody he don't want to.

It would be a nice gesture if he would do a song or produce a song with somebody from the bay but I doubt that will happen. at least Snoop shows love.

LMAO! Thats because Dr. dre didnt make that beat. Dr dre was another one of Mac dre's aliases. MD made that track.

 

[Sydal]

LMAO! Thats because Dr. dre didnt make that beat. Dr dre was another one of Mac dre's aliases. MD made that track.

Yea, if I was Dr. Dre I would have been pist that somebody pulled that shit.

 

[threefoe]

Please show me where any of these producers have came up with "Timbo presents MC. SUCH N SUCH"

Or Kanye, or Storch.

If you don't have a budget, or a buzz, chances are these big timers are not gonna fuck with you.

Please show me where I said any of these producers have to make a Timbo presents such and such? I never said any of that. I forgot this is the siccness. When I say fuck wit i mean produce tracks for artist. And What I meant was all these artist have done music for ALL the big artist in their region as well as other regions. I understand you need a budget but if you know anything about this industry you know a lot of work is done based on relationships not money.

 

[Townbizz23]

..never said you did.

I simply implied for you to read more, post less.

Rambling on isn't impressive.



No,...no they havent.

again, read more post less.... here is your answer from Wiki:
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Niggaz with Attitudes) was a Compton, California-based hip hop group widely considered one of the seminal acts of the gangsta rap sub-genre.[1] Active from 1986 to 1991, the group endured controversy due to the explicit nature of their lyrics. They were subsequently banned from many mainstream U.S. radio stations and even at times prevented from touring - yet the group has still sold over 9 million units in the U.S. alone. Their second album, Straight Outta Compton, marked the beginning of the new gangsta rap era as the production and the social commentary in their lyrics were revolutionary within the genre.[2] Rolling Stone ranked N.W.A eighty-third on their list of the "100 Greatest Artists of All Time".[3] Although largely unknown at the group's inception, rappers Dr. Dre, Ice Cube, Eazy-E and MC Ren would all go on to be platinum-selling stars as solo artists.


VS

In 1986, Too Short and Freddie B. founded the Dangerous Music record label to distribute his music regionally.[1] Dangerous Music later changed names to Short Records, and then Up All Nite Records. With his 1988 release, Life Is...Too Short, he began infusing replayed established funk riffs (rather than samples) with his beats. It was then that he began to develop a noticeable fan base and a string of platinum albums. Too Short's songs are principally recognizable for their emphasis on Pimpin' and related sexually charged topics.
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Again, Short & Hammer were NOT on before N.W.A.

Read the print, amigo.

I just tought you somethin'








Please refer to the dates posted above, thats what your lesson for the day is.

Extra Credit, ....don't speak on shit you don't know.

so you been taught 2 things today, it's okay to learn, homie.




Cali is what it is cause of what SEVERAL people have posted to you, but you have seemed to IGNORE.

Industry cats like INDECENT have already spoke on these youngstas work ethic & lack of ambition to sell outside their region... maybe this class is too advanced for you & your need to go back to remedial.

Okay so Short and NWA started in the same year. Thank Wikipedia for proving your point shit I guess you're smarter than me. Still my point is the same. The Bay rap legends have been doing it just as long as LA's have. Stop nit picking over lettuce and get to the meat. I'm rambling? My dude you're the one leaving page long posts that continue to prove not your point, but mines.

So the youngsters dont have work ethic. If that's Dre's excuse, then cool. But what about all the other OG's in other regions that fuck with the youngster heavy. Look at how Pimp C did with Boosie and Webbie...Look how Trick Daddy did with all the young niggas from Miami...Maybe that's why the South is on top, and the West is stuck in limbo. You wanna argue and make this shit personal, all I'm trying to do is talk about what's wrong with the Westcoast.

 

[Solitary 1]

DR. DRE DOESN'T OWE THE BAY SHIT.

 

[El D]

man this thread is disturbing...bunch of teeny boppers arguing and whining like hoes and shit....

 

[YungGung]

LMAO! Thats because Dr. dre didnt make that beat. Dr dre was another one of Mac dre's aliases. MD made that track.

dr. dre did make that beat it was playing in the background on games 1st dvd

 

[threefoe]

Again, mufuckas put too much emphasis on geography.

Why is hip hop the only genre that is so territorial?

Edit: I don't think anyone has brought up the point that mufuckas is always lookin to blame someone else for the bay's shortcomings

Why is hip hop the only genre of music where muthafuckas is gettin killed and goin to jail? Hmmmm... Its territorial cuz the it represent the streets and the street are territorial. Once again I forgot this was the siccness. I wasnt blaming dre for the bay shortcomings at all. Im just sayin why cant we be unified like everyone else?

 

[Townbizz23]

No I'm not smarter then you, it's just I was listening in back then, & even if I was only 10 / 11 at the time, I remember very well when all those albums came out.

So, no need to thank Wiki... I proved my point, you needed documentation.



No, thank you.

Cmon now u nit picking over a few months!! Wow u must feel really good about yourself. If u really want to get down to details, Short been rapping since 83'. Ma nigg u dont have a point to prove. That NWA dropped a few months before Short? Cuzzo that's still proving my point. How many times do I have to say it? Bay legends been on just as longs as LA legends have...I dont need Wikipedia to tell me that.

 

[Gemini]

40 is a legend, but Dr. Dre is a legend on a much bigger scale. That's just a fact that most of you don't want to hear, but it's a reality.

Dr. Dre, from what I've read and heard in interviews has claimed to rather work with unknown artist that he can mold and will follow and trust his guidance. Artist like 40 are not doing bad without Dre, as a matter of fact...40 doing better than most underground artist. Some would argue that 40 is not underground, but has not really broke through on a massive scale in the mainstream scene. Yes, he's worked with major artist and some of the biggest names, but seems like he comes and goes on the scene...almost black balled if you will.

To an artist of 40's calibur I think it would be hard for Dre to try and guide him due to the fact that any artist on 40's scale would perhaps be offened if Dre tried to guide him in a new / different direction.

I think Dre is just saving himself from drama, or any kind of (what Dre might feel) as a waste of time with artist who are set in their ways or artist who have been doing good for themselves all along in this game.

Dr. Dre has worked with artist who have been hot on their own, only to be luke warm when they work with the Doctor. Busta Rhymes, Nas and Xzibit to name a few we're doing better with out Dre, than when they got with him, so....it might be a good thing to keep the Doctor away.

 

[threefoe]

That's all fine and dandy, but why is it up to cats to reach out? This here is a business, which means it's about money. If I've learned one thing about the Bay Area, it's that a lot of artists want shit given to them because they think they deserve it. Well, cats like Dre don't fuck around with that...they want what they want, and if you can't produce it, he won't produce you. Plain and simple. Kanye, Timbo, Scott Storch, etc. etc. are all businessmen as well. They all fuck with major players, not indie cats. If they fuck with indie cats, it's because the indie cats are willing to break the bread. But yea, Timbo, Kanye, Scott Storch haven't put ANYBODY ON! Also, Dre is THE MAN when it comes to rap. Those cats you mentioned didn't mold the game, didn't create a standard for the game...DRE did.

As for being a record label employee, and having execs vouch for you...what's that supposed to prove? Record labels and execs are the reason rap music is in the state it's in right now. And don't tell me I'm wrong, because I've been in front of A&R's who tried to tell me I needed one or two singles, and I needed to change my sound to cater to the little ones. Maybe if label executives were more focused on entire projects rather than a few singles, shit would be different. So, just because a label executive says something, doesn't make it FACT!

A. Im not sayin the bay should be given any type of hand out. Im sayin lets all come together and work wit each other so we can win like everybody else.

B. I never said these producers put people on i said they FUCK WIT all artist from their own region. Once again fuck wit meaning do music with.

C. Workin at a label gives you a lot of insight as to why things are and arent a the way they are. You get to see the good the bad and the ugly. just because the game is the way it is now doesnt mean that everyone thats in the industry agrees with whats goin on. Truth be told a lot of the front line people (marketing, radio promo, street promo) in the industry dont like a lot of the shit thats goin on but cant do anything about it cuz the big wig label execs make the final decision. Cats gotta support they families so you gotta do what the boss say. Its sad but its reality.

 

[Sydal]

dr. dre did make that beat it was playing in the background on games 1st dvd

Dr. Dre didn't make that beat, that's why they had to bleep his name out on the radio.

 

[MrPeete]

Why is hip hop the only genre of music where muthafuckas is gettin killed and goin to jail? Hmmmm... Its territorial cuz the it represent the streets and the street are territorial. Once again I forgot this was the siccness. I wasnt blaming dre for the bay shortcomings at all. Im just sayin why cant we be unified like everyone else?

The fact that people assert that Dre is wrong for not reaching out to anyone outside of whatever his immediate circle consists of to help the bay is blaming Dre for the Bay's shortcomings. If you did that, then you did that.

Why mufuckas aint cryin about DJ Quik or Too Short or Yukmouth not tryin to unify the coast? They all have their own circles and do their own thing. Dre is no different in that respect.

 

[Sydal]

A. Im not sayin the bay should be given any type of hand out. Im sayin lets all come together and work wit each other so we can win like everybody else.

B. I never said these producers put people on i said they FUCK WIT all artist from their own region. Once again fuck wit meaning do music with.

C. Workin at a label gives you a lot of insight as to why things are and arent a the way they are. You get to see the good the bad and the ugly. just because the game is the way it is now doesnt mean that everyone thats in the industry agrees with whats goin on. Truth be told a lot of the front line people (marketing, radio promo, street promo) in the industry dont like a lot of the shit thats goin on but cant do anything about it cuz the big wig label execs make the final decision. Cats gotta support they families so you gotta do what the boss say. Its sad but its reality.

Yea I feel you. We do need to come together, I totally agree with you. I know you didn't say the Bay should be given a handout, but a lot of cats in the Bay BELIEVE they deserve handouts. This is the only region I've been to where cats think they deserve everything (for nothing). This is the only region I've been to where cats get crazy when you tell 'em their music sounds like shit. This is the only place I've been to where cats base their prices off who they've fucked with, even if they didn't sell 100 records. If I was Dre, I wouldn't fuck with cats out here either because a lot of folks probably trying to get beats for like 20 racks, when Dre charges between a quarter and a half a mill per track.

I feel you though, I know everybody at the labels aren't to blame...but some cats enforce the bullshit knowing it's hurting the industry.

 

[threefoe]

The fact that people assert that Dre is wrong for not reaching out to anyone outside of whatever his immediate circle consists of to help the bay is blaming Dre for the Bay's shortcomings. If you did that, then you did that.

Why mufuckas aint cryin about DJ Quik or Too Short or Yukmouth not tryin to unify the coast? They all have their own circles and do their own thing. Dre is no different in that respect.

Cuz none of them are major industry execs like dre. Dre dre is one the most successful producers and label execs ever. Neither dj quick, yuk, or short have ever owned a label has sold over 100 million albums worldwide or created two of the biggest artist in the history of hip hop like dre (eminem and 50). Dre is mogul not just a rapper/producer. Everthing he has a hand in becomes huge. They're not even on the same playin field as him. All they can do is collaborate wit everybody like they all have been doing for years besides quick.

 

[MrPeete]

Cuz none of them are major industry execs like dre. Dre dre is one the most successful producers and label execs ever. Neither dj quick, yuk, or short have ever owned a label has sold over 100 million albums worldwide or created two of the biggest artist in the history of hip hop like dre (eminem and 50). Dre is mogul not just a rapper/producer. Everthing he has a hand in becomes huge. They're not even on the same playin field as him. All they can do is collaborate wit everybody like they all have been doing for years besides quick.

Which proves my point that mufuckas just want a handout. Period.

 

[threefoe]

Which proves my point that mufuckas just want a handout. Period.

Lmao! Is that what my post proves? lol hell nah. You just proved you dont know what you talkin bout. Based on what you're sayin every artist that works wit a producer or gets signed to a label just wants a handout right? lmao...wow. I'm done.

 

[threefoe]

Yea I feel you. We do need to come together, I totally agree with you. I know you didn't say the Bay should be given a handout, but a lot of cats in the Bay BELIEVE they deserve handouts. This is the only region I've been to where cats think they deserve everything (for nothing). This is the only region I've been to where cats get crazy when you tell 'em their music sounds like shit. This is the only place I've been to where cats base their prices off who they've fucked with, even if they didn't sell 100 records.

I agree 100%

 

[MFOH]

Ether = ClownBizz

Someone ban this childish faggit