Documents show Army seized wives as tactic

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This just makes me want to put a big yellow ribbon on the back of my car. God Bless The Troops!!!

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By CHARLES J. HANLEY
AP SPECIAL CORRESPONDENT

SeattlePI

The U.S. Army in Iraq has at least twice seized and jailed the wives of suspected insurgents in hopes of "leveraging" their husbands into surrender, U.S. military documents show.

In one case, a secretive task force locked up the young mother of a nursing baby, a U.S. intelligence officer reported. In the case of a second detainee, one American colonel suggested to another that they catch her husband by tacking a note to the family's door telling him "to come get his wife."

The issue of female detentions in Iraq has taken on a higher profile since kidnappers seized American journalist Jill Carroll on Jan. 7 and threatened to kill her unless all Iraqi women detainees are freed.

The U.S. military on Thursday freed five of what it said were 11 women among the 14,000 detainees currently held in the 2 1/2-year-old insurgency. All were accused of "aiding terrorists or planting explosives," but an Iraqi government commission found that evidence was lacking.

Iraqi human rights activist Hind al-Salehi contends that U.S. anti-insurgent units, coming up empty-handed in raids on suspects' houses, have at times detained wives to pressure men into turning themselves in.

Iraq's deputy justice minister, Busho Ibrahim Ali, dismissed such claims, saying hostage-holding was a tactic used under the ousted Saddam Hussein dictatorship, and "we are not Saddam." A U.S. command spokesman in Baghdad, Lt. Col. Barry Johnson, said only Iraqis who pose an "imperative threat" are held in long-term U.S.-run detention facilities.

But documents describing two 2004 episodes tell a different story as far as short-term detentions by local U.S. units. The documents are among hundreds the Pentagon has released periodically under U.S. court order to meet an American Civil Liberties Union request for information on detention practices.

In one memo, a civilian Pentagon intelligence officer described what happened when he took part in a raid on an Iraqi suspect's house in Tarmiya, northwest of Baghdad, on May 9, 2004. The raid involved Task Force (TF) 6-26, a secretive military unit formed to handle high-profile targets.

During the pre-operation brief it was recommended by TF personnel that if the wife were present, she be detained and held in order to leverage the primary target's surrender," wrote the 14-year veteran officer.

He said he objected, but when they raided the house the team leader, a senior sergeant, seized her anyway.

"The 28-year-old woman had three young children at the house, one being as young as six months and still nursing," the intelligence officer wrote. She was held for two days and was released after he complained, he said.

Like most names in the released documents, the officer's signature is blacked out on this for-the-record memorandum about his complaint.

Of this case, command spokesman Johnson said he could not judge, months later, the factors that led to the woman's detention.

The second episode, in June 2004, is found in sketchy detail in e-mail exchanges among six U.S. Army colonels, discussing an undisclosed number of female detainees held in northern Iraq by the Stryker Brigade of the 2nd Infantry Division.

The first message, from a military police colonel, advised staff officers of the U.S. northern command that the Iraqi police would not take control of the jailed women without charges being brought against them.

In a second e-mail, a command staff officer asked an officer of the unit holding the women, "What are you guys doing to try to get the husband - have you tacked a note on the door and challenged him to come get his wife?"

Two days later, the brigade's deputy commander advised the higher command, "As each day goes by, I get more input that these gals have some info and/or will result in getting the husband."

He went on, "These ladies fought back extremely hard during the original detention. They have shown indications of deceit and misinformation."

The command staff colonel wrote in reply, referring to a commanding general, "CG wants the husband."

The released e-mails stop there, and the women's eventual status could not be immediately determined.

Of this episode, Johnson said, "It is clear the unit believed the females detained had substantial knowledge of insurgent activity and warranted being held."
 

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because this isn't something worth discussing.
yeah but i guess debating who had it worse african americans or natives is much better topic :confused:

but anyway,

yes i heard of that a whhile back and its sad.. not many in the public kno about it because they love too keep the info as confined as possible.. because its much easier to vote for a wartime president when the wartime tactics are hushed..
 
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African-Americans vs Native-Americans is brought up often as a side argument. The people responded right away to the thread, and that is the proof that they wanted to discuss it further, on its own, aside from other arguments.

This topic right here, nobody gives a fuck about. There is a ton of Anti-War Liberal people here, and even they don't care enough to come in here and drop a "Thats fucked up". The people simply do not care. We don't even have Soak Game in here yet with his
and smartass comment. Probably won't see him either.
 
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^^Babble bobble blip blop bloop

Fucking R2D2 of the Siccness



"What's that R2? They're all a bunch of brainwashed liberals from the Dagoba system? Oh R2, you're such a kidder!"

Maybe Chewbacca



"Orrrawwwgggh"
 

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LOLLLL

brought up often as a side arguement???? your so full of shit, i have never heard of anybody try to compare the two..

obviously people care about this enough to get coverage on tv and radio.. its amusing how when your right wing beliefs are in turmoil and are being exposed from the veil of righteousness that THEY'RE NOT your quick to justify or discredit... do u think its not obvious at this point??
 
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The only thing I think is obvious, is that you have not stepped foot near an English class in a good 5-7 years.

Just because the Media pushes a story, does not make that story news-worthy. Think about it. Really let that digest and synthesize inside your developmentally-challenged mind.
 

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Come again? This was the Top Story on Yahoo News for over 24 hours.

Don't blame the people because this isn't something worth discussing.
Tadou, being the top story on yahoo news for 24 hours is cool, but what about all the major media outlets who could have covvered it such as nbc, cbs, abc, cspan and fox? I did not see any of them cover this (I am NOT saying they didn't I am saying I didn't see it.), but why do you feel this isn't something worth discussing? I don't base discussion on who all replies, and why are you bringing Soak Game into this?
 

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The only thing I think is obvious, is that you have not stepped foot near an English class in a good 5-7 years.
yes, more proof u do not think enough if u cant understand what im typing.. seems like your the only one :rolleyes: ....

Dirty Shoez said:
Just because the Media pushes a story, does not make that story news-worthy. Think about it. Really let that digest and synthesize inside your developmentally-challenged mind.
again, in comparison to some of the shit u have put up, this is very news worthy.if you go around and ask most people if they knew that this was taking place a majority of them will tell you, no.. so this is "news" to them lol.. and if it at least educates 1 person, then its news-worthy. you keep saying that its not worth reading yet have offerd no reasons as to why...typical right-wing brainwashd cog..
 
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^^ You are boring.

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Tadou, being the top story on yahoo news for 24 hours is cool, but what about all the major media outlets who could have covvered it such as nbc, cbs, abc, cspan and fox? I did not see any of them cover this (I am NOT saying they didn't I am saying I didn't see it.), but why do you feel this isn't something worth discussing? I don't base discussion on who all replies, and why are you bringing Soak Game into this?
You drip period blood about that every single time, like its some kind of huge deal to say someone's name before they posted in a thread. Do you REALLY want me to waste time tracking down where YOU said MY name in a thread that I didn't post in? Or find where someone else did it, so you can retro-actively talk shit to THEM and get off MY dick?

If you don't watch major media, then don't talk shit about it. Thats about all I can say. I watch a good 2 hours of news a night, and that doesn't include Pundit shows. This story is in the news, period. I'm sorry you missed it while you were throwing a hissy fit over me saying Soak Game.
 

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^^^
still havent explaind as too how/why this isnt newsworthy.. duckin and dodgin questions like a true republican.. your parents must be proud..
 

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You drip period blood about that every single time, like its some kind of huge deal to say someone's name before they posted in a thread.
Thanks, I appreciate the insult. In another thread I asked you, "Why are you constantly mentioning other people? Why do ALWAYS have someone elses name in your mouth (or rolling off your fingers?)"

Do you REALLY want me to waste time tracking down where YOU said MY name in a thread that I didn't post in? Or find where someone else did it, so you can retro-actively talk shit to THEM and get off MY dick?
No post exists with myself saying your name in a thread you didn't post in. I made it a point to NEVER say YOUR name in a post unless you are posting in the thread. I wasted 5 seconds of my time by validating my claim and using the search engine. The only time you and I have talked outside of this forum is in the studio forum (your post no longer exist but your quotes and my answers still do.) You are free to look it up for yourself, and I would be happy if you could prove your accusation. We are not discussing the actions of others, Tadou. We are discussing your actions and your constant name dropping.

If you don't watch major media, then don't talk shit about it.
This is like saying "If you don't eat Mcdonalds don't talk shit about it." Surely you can agree that some people who talk shit about the news have a REASON for talking shit and not watching it.

Thats about all I can say. I watch a good 2 hours of news a night, and that doesn't include Pundit shows.
Ok.

This story is in the news, period. I'm sorry you missed it while you were throwing a hissy fit over me saying Soak Game.
As I said before I did not see this in the news, but that does not mean it wasn't reported. Did you see it while watching your two hours of news? If so what channel/show?

Why do you feel this isn't something worth discussing? Surely the media must have felt it was worth discussing if they reported it correct?
 
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TROLL said:
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still havent explaind as too how/why this isnt newsworthy.. duckin and dodgin questions like a true republican.. your parents must be proud..
I said 2 things.

"This topic right here, nobody gives a fuck about."

"Just because the Media pushes a story, does not make that story news-worthy."

Now you're wondering why I "still havent explaind as too how/why this isnt newsworthy"

And you wonder why I call you boring.
 

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I said 2 things.
Dirty Shoez said:
"This topic right here, nobody gives a fuck about."
show me..SHOW ME.. show me where people say, ohh we dont have to worry about that.. or show me where the us government has been open about this cowardly tactic.. show me where the people who's wives were taken say... "i dont care".. thinks the same way you do.. you DO NOT speak for everybody..there was a discussion on here bout how politics are basically influenced by the company you keep but u dont realize or deny the fact,that its a form of brainwashing..self inflicted or not. :dead:


Dirty Shoez said:
"Just because the Media pushes a story, does not make that story news-worthy."
tell me what constitutes a news worthy article..id like to also kno what other media "pushed" this story cuz only place ive heard it discussd was on here and bernie ward


Dirty Shoez said:
Now you're wondering why I "still havent explaind as too how/why this isnt newsworthy"
basically.. all im hearing is
Dirty Shoez said:
blah blah blah fuckin libertards blah blah blah media waaaaa blah blah blah blah blah blah
Dirty Shoez said:
And you wonder why I call you boring.
no.. i know why.. because u have nothing else intelligent to respond with.. U try your damndest to stir shit and pass it off as fact but always get verbally eatin alive and will then pat yourself on the back for winning an imaginary competition..

and you wonder why i call u delusional.. :rolleyes:
 
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