Do you condemn Israel's actions in Gaza?

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Jun 1, 2002
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Should Israel show restraint if Hamas does not stop rocket fire?

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I BELIEVE THAT'S THE KEY TO BUILDING TRUST BETWEEN THE PEOPLE OF PALESTINE AND THE ISRAELI GOVERNMENT. THE PEOPLE NEED TO KNOW AND BELIEVE THAT THE ISRAELI GOVERNMENT DOESN'T WANT CONTINUE TO KILL OR HARM THEM.

THE ONLY WAY I THINK THIS IS POSSIBLE IS BY SHOWING RESTRAINT IN THE FACE OF AN ATTACK AND APPEALING TO THE PEOPLE OF PALASTINE TO CHANGE WHO'S IN CHARGE ON THEIR SIDE.

FOR TOO LONG ISRAEL'S POLICY HAS BEEN TO MEET AGRESSION WITH MORE INTENSE AGRESSION. IT'S CREATING TOO MUCH DEATH AND DESTRUCTION. IT HURTS ISRAELS'S SUPPORT INTERNATIONALLY AND BREEDS MORE HOPELESS FANATICS.

I'M NOT SAYING ISRAEL DOESN'T HAVE THE RIGHT TO STRIKE BACK, BUT THE MILITARY/GOVT NEEDS TO RE-THINK HOW AND WHEN IT SHOULD RETALLIATE. SOMETIMES IT'S BETTER TO SHOW RESTRAINT. WE NEED MORE MODERATES ON BOTH SIDES OF THE FENCE.

AND JUST TO BE CLEAR: I AM A BIG SUPPORTER OF ISRAEL'S RIGHT TO EXIST AND HAVE FAMILY THAT LIVES THERE.
 
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YES.

I BELIEVE THAT'S THE KEY TO BUILDING TRUST BETWEEN THE PEOPLE OF PALESTINE AND THE ISRAELI GOVERNMENT. THE PEOPLE NEED TO KNOW AND BELIEVE THAT THE ISRAELI GOVERNMENT DOESN'T WANT CONTINUE TO KILL OR HARM THEM.

THE ONLY WAY I THINK THIS IS POSSIBLE IS BY SHOWING RESTRAINT IN THE FACE OF AN ATTACK AND APPEALING TO THE PEOPLE OF PALASTINE TO CHANGE WHO'S IN CHARGE ON THEIR SIDE.

FOR TOO LONG ISRAEL'S POLICY HAS BEEN TO MEET AGRESSION WITH MORE INTENSE AGRESSION. IT'S CREATING TOO MUCH DEATH AND DESTRUCTION. IT HURTS ISRAELS'S SUPPORT INTERNATIONALLY AND BREEDS MORE HOPELESS FANATICS.

I'M NOT SAYING ISRAEL DOESN'T HAVE THE RIGHT TO STRIKE BACK, BUT THE MILITARY/GOVT NEEDS TO RE-THINK HOW AND WHEN IT SHOULD RETALLIATE. SOMETIMES IT'S BETTER TO SHOW RESTRAINT. WE NEED MORE MODERATES ON BOTH SIDES OF THE FENCE.

AND JUST TO BE CLEAR: I AM A BIG SUPPORTER OF ISRAEL'S RIGHT TO EXIST AND HAVE FAMILY THAT LIVES THERE.
You arent mentioning:
1. Israels continuous settling and stealing of land (bulldozing/demolition/ousting of Palestinians)
2. The way Israel has Palestinians living like rats (stoppage of food/water, highways/medical treatment)
3. The complete economic suffocation of the occupied territories

You look at the situation like Israel was too harsh, Israel is not using restraint - No. they are an invading, occupying, expelling force in the occupied territories. They need to give back land taken since 1967, release their chokehold of the Palestinian people, invest in the Palestinian infrastructure, and talk about what they can do to ameliorate the harm and suffering they have been cuasing for decades. Anyone in the situation of the Palestinians would do the same thing they are doing now.

Israeli life is not more sacred than palestinian life. Isaraelis do not deserve more than Plestinians. The roses are blooming in Israel while the Palestinians are packed into horrible living conditions. It isnt Palestinians attack, Israel responds. It is Israel has been attacking, oppressing, expelling, and killing, and Palestinians resists the only way they know how.
 
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You arent mentioning:
1. Israels continuous settling and stealing of land (bulldozing/demolition/ousting of Palestinians)
2. The way Israel has Palestinians living like rats (stoppage of food/water, highways/medical treatment)
3. The complete economic suffocation of the occupied territories

You look at the situation like Israel was too harsh, Israel is not using restraint - No. they are an invading, occupying, expelling force in the occupied territories. They need to give back land taken since 1967, release their chokehold of the Palestinian people, invest in the Palestinian infrastructure, and talk about what they can do to ameliorate the harm and suffering they have been cuasing for decades. Anyone in the situation of the Palestinians would do the same thing they are doing now.

Israeli life is not more sacred than palestinian life. Isaraelis do not deserve more than Plestinians. The roses are blooming in Israel while the Palestinians are packed into horrible living conditions. It isnt Palestinians attack, Israel responds. It is Israel has been attacking, oppressing, expelling, and killing, and Palestinians resists the only way they know how.


I'M NOT REALLY GONNA DO THE WHOLE BACK AND FORTH THING ON THIS SUBJECT. JUST KNOW I COULD MATCH YOU LINE FOR LINE IF I FELT IT WOULD GET US ANYWHERE OTHER THAN SPINNING OUR WHEELS AND CONTINUOSLY POINTING THE FINGER.

NO ONE SAID ISRAELIS DESERVE MORE THAN PALESTINIANS.

HAVE YOU EVER BEEN TO ISRAEL? DO YOU KNOW ANYONE WHO LIVES THERE OR THE WEST BANK OR GAZA FOR THAT MATTER?

I'M INTERESTED TO KNOW.
 
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PEOPLE LIKE YOU WHO ARE CLEARLY IGNORANT SHOULD JUST KEEP THEIR FUCKIN MOUTHS SHUT ON THIS SUBJECT.

Israel has no right to exist, the 'persecuted' jews should of returned to their own countries after ww2, not given land that never belonged to them in the first place. Any racism would of been dealt with then and there, the Allies had control of the entire world, including Europe, to which most originated.

So they take land that is not theirs, destroy homes that don't belong to them, call upon any jew to come and settle in Israel, all the while others get fucked from their own home.. But its ok so long as the US (including mass media) has your back to distort the truth in their favor.

This problem will NEVER be solved other than complete anihaltion of either Palestine or Israel, if you think any different, you underestimate the deep hatred they have for each other.

As for the legality of it all, well you only need to have a look at the UN Resoloutions consistantly being broken, I'm sure you can find that yourself if you disagree.
 
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WD said:
The Israeli stranglehold of the Palestinian people, demolition of homes, control of water, highways, emergency services, and appropriation and settlement of land is the backdrop to this and every Israeli-Palestinian conflict there is.
No, Israels mere existence is the backdrop to this and every Israeli-Palestinian conflict there is, from 60yrs ago to the present.

WD, seems like you've been hanging out with some northwest burkenstock trader joe nw liberals.

There is no way the boarder will go back to the pre-67 boarders (logistically for Israel, this just isn't a realistic possibility, from a security standpoint, as well as from an infrastructure pov, syria will/should not get the Golan back, and the W. Bank will/cannot move back to the 'Green Line', neither of which have anything to do with Hamas launching rockets into S. Israel from Gaza) . Israel is no longer an occupying force, especially in Gaza and hasn't been since '05. If it were under 'occupation' there wouldn't be this 'War' right now.

Even if we did go back to the pre-67 boarders, it will not be enough for them, it wasn't then, and it won't be now. Hamas' charter is for the complete and utter destruction of Israel.

The bigger issue is the 2million plus refugee's that still live in Jordan, Syria, and Lebanon (which these countries refuse to absorb them into their societes, and rather use them as political pawns for their desired end game, ie destruction of state of Israel).

The afforementioned countries, as well as Egypt (which could easily open its boarders) could and should play a constructive role in working towards improving the lives of the Palestinians, if that were their intent, but it is not.

I've come to the conclusion in these past couple of days, that until ALL parties in the region have a fundamental shift in philosophies, this cycle of violence will end in another cease fire, and we will continue to go thru the same thing over and over. Hamas will rebuild and regroup and have rockets that reacher further into Israel, then Israel will strike back even harder.....

Something needs to change, sadly, I've just yet to hear a feasible solution from anyside.
 
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Israel has no right to exist, the 'persecuted' jews should of returned to their own countries after ww2, not given land that never belonged to them in the first place. Any racism would of been dealt with then and there, the Allies had control of the entire world, including Europe, to which most originated.

So they take land that is not theirs, destroy homes that don't belong to them, call upon any jew to come and settle in Israel, all the while others get fucked from their own home.. But its ok so long as the US (including mass media) has your back to distort the truth in their favor.
disagree.
you demonstrate a clear lack of understanding of the Holocaust and post WWII Eurpoe with your quoted 'persecuted' European Jews once liberated from the concentration camps, were emaciated, had no families, countries, or homes to return to.

You are also obviously quite ignorant regarding the subject of the 'War of Independence' which led to the creation of the declared State of Israel. Technically, the land was British empires, and they pulled out, and Israel declared it as a Democratic Jewish State. The surrounding Arab countried encouraged the Palestinians to leave their homes during the war, while they push the Jews into the sea, and then they will return once all the Jews are demolished, (they also threatend any Palastinians who remained in the land would be executed for treason once the arab forcers rolled through). They were promised not only will they get their land back, but take the land of the Jews as well. Despite the Jews pleas to our palalstinian brethen not to leave, they did, and have never come back, since Jordan/Syria/Lebanon/Iraq/Saudi Arabia intentions never came to fruition, and these countries have since turned their backs on their own people.

You also fail to mention (or understand) the 1million plus Jews that were kicked out of all the arab/muslim countries upon the declaration of the state of Israel, but why would you mention that, you hate Jews/Isreal/zionism, but aren't anti- semtic

It is amazing/outrageous that Russia can recklessly destroy an entire region and kill 4,000 people in 2 days, and no one gives a shit, but any action Israel takes to defend it self, and people get all their shit in a bunch
 
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you demonstrate a clear lack of understanding of the Holocaust and post WWII Eurpoe with your quoted 'persecuted' European Jews once liberated from the concentration camps, were emaciated, had no families, countries, or homes to return to.
Oh you mean the war where 72,000,000 people died? or the one where 6 million jews died? I'm confused because you ask the average person how many people died in ww2, they won't know, ask them how many jews died they will say 6 million.

Or you mean the war where 30 million Slavs died in concentration camps and in battle and from crimes against humanity and also a smaller portion of that 30 million in camps in Yugoslavia that would make the Nazi & Jap controlled camps look like a fun park. No, I don't understand persecution, please enlighten me.

You are also obviously quite ignorant regarding the subject of the 'War of Independence' which led to the creation of the declared State of Israel. Technically, the land was British empires, and they pulled out, and Israel declared it as a Democratic Jewish State. The surrounding Arab countried encouraged the Palestinians to leave their homes during the war, while they push the Jews into the sea, and then they will return once all the Jews are demolished, (they also threatend any Palastinians who remained in the land would be executed for treason once the arab forcers rolled through). They were promised not only will they get their land back, but take the land of the Jews as well. Despite the Jews pleas to our palalstinian brethen not to leave, they did, and have never come back, since Jordan/Syria/Lebanon/Iraq/Saudi Arabia intentions never came to fruition, and these countries have since turned their backs on their own people.

You also fail to mention (or understand) the 1million plus Jews that were kicked out of all the arab/muslim countries upon the declaration of the state of Israel, but why would you mention that, you hate Jews/Isreal/zionism, but aren't anti- semtic
Oh you mean the terrorists that attacked British targets? Seems kinda wierd Israelies calling palestinians terrorists when they did the exact same thing.

The state was created in 1948, a long time after the war was over. Regardless of what clothes they put on the barbie doll, the fact of the matter is, Israel was created to settle the jews of Europe after the war, during when they had no homes they should not have all been allowed to be centralised in one placed and should have been spread evenly and re settled in many countries. After the war, they should have returned to their homes. This was a crucial mistake made by the Allies (Brits mainly). They should have helped the jews reclaim and rebuild their homes/lives, no matter how big the task would have been. Fail plan right here that helped fuel a massive fire that still burns to this day and the ones that pay for it the most are innocent children, from both sides.

I dislike Jews/Israelies/Zionists, I don't hate them. Hate is reserved for individuals, not a group of people, who not all are fuckwits and evil.

It is amazing/outrageous that Russia can recklessly destroy an entire region and kill 4,000 people in 2 days, and no one gives a shit, but any action Israel takes to defend it self, and people get all their shit in a bunch
There was massive public outcry from the West, East, North & South, what the fuck are you talking about? At that point it was basically, Russia v The rest of the world. What shits me about that is the double standards when you hear people complain about it, regardless of who they think is right.
 
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NO ONE SAID ISRAELIS DESERVE MORE THAN PALESTINIANS.
The implication is there in the way the United States govt. and media treat Israel, and the way in which the national discussion is framed.

HAVE YOU EVER BEEN TO ISRAEL? DO YOU KNOW ANYONE WHO LIVES THERE OR THE WEST BANK OR GAZA FOR THAT MATTER?

I'M INTERESTED TO KNOW.
No on both counts, but it doesnt take that to be knowledgeable on the situation.
 
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An interesting story I thought I'd share as a result of the current war/conflict.

Back in the mid-90's, Ukraine opened its boarders/schools up to many N. African and Muslim states as an attempt to build foreign relations and bring $$ into the country. During this time, my wife's cousin had a friend who started dating a guy from 'sector Gaza' this guy was a 'devout' Muslim, who started to drink and party b/c Allah was asleep and couldn't see what he was doing. Anyway, he convinced her to come move to 'gaza' with his family for a better life.

Once they arrived at the beautiful family home right on the Mediterranean, after they married, he seized all of her travel documents and papers, covered her head with a garment, and she was prohibited from leaving the house. She was not allowed to be in a room with any male, except her 'husband', then four kids later, for a 10 yr perioed not one time was she allowed to set even one foot on the beach. She could look at it from the balcony, but never leave the property.

On Saturday night, when my wife was talking to her cousin, her cousin informed her that her friend had made it back to Russia. I asked how, and was explained to me that b/c of the Israeli bombings, they were evacuating the neighborhoods. She took advantage of the opportunity to leave the house WITH her children, and was able to link up with two members from some russian rescue team, and they took her back to Russia. We now believe she is in Moscow, working on trying to get back to Kharkov, Ukraine. anyway, take from this what you may, but I just felt like sharing....
 
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^^there is no doubt religons are all backward and twisted, I'm sure god/jesus/boogieman didn't want people living in captivity, wiping their ass with their left hand but yet saying pork is dirty..

all religon is fucked, just a form of brainwashing.

that goes for all of them too, not just muslims.
 
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Israel spreads death and destruction as it advances into Gaza
By Barry Grey
6 January 2009

The toll of Palestinians killed and wounded continues to rise rapidly as Israel intensifies its combined air and ground assault on the largely defenseless and starved Gaza Strip.

While Israel conducts a campaign of killing and collective punishment against the civilian population, the United States continues to block all diplomatic initiatives aimed at imposing a cease-fire. Since Israeli troops, tanks and artillery crossed the border into Gaza Saturday night, at least 64 more Palestinian civilians have been killed, bringing the total in the 11-day war to more than 530. The number of wounded is in the thousands.

According to press reports and statements from the Israeli military, Israeli forces have taken control of several towns north of Gaza City, cut the narrow enclave in half and surrounded Gaza City. There are also reports that Israeli forces are moving toward Gaza's southern border with Egypt in an attempt to cut off the last remaining connection, already restricted by the Egyptian regime, between the besieged population of 1.5 million Gazans and the outside world.

Israeli forces, enjoying total control of the air and advanced weaponry, are reportedly facing resistance from Hamas fighters, who are equipped only with primitive mortars and small arms. Israel has confirmed the death of one solider and the wounding of thirty others. Despite the Israeli ground assault and ongoing bombardment of homes, government buildings, mosques, fire stations, universities and ambulances, some 40 rockets were fired from Gaza into southern Israel on Sunday.

The ground offensive has cut power supplies and exacerbated an already catastrophic humanitarian crisis.

Gaza health officials said the dead since the start of the ground assault included a 12-year-old girl, five members of a single family, eight civilians killed by a tank shell in the northern Gaza town of Beit Lahiya and an ambulance driver.

At least five civilians were killed and many wounded on Sunday morning when Israeli shells fell on the market of Gaza City while people were stocking up on supplies.

Two young cousins and a five-year-old boy from another family were killed by shrapnel as they played on the flat roofs of their apartment buildings.

Israeli troops also killed a Palestinian demonstrator in the West Bank town of Qalqilya, near the separation barrier erected by Israel to wall in the inhabitants of the occupied West Bank.

Israel has called up tens of thousands of reservists for active duty and indicated it intends to remain in the areas it has seized for some time. It is not yet clear whether it intends to enter major urban centers such as Gaza City or the teeming refugee camps.

Israeli Defense Minister Ehud Barak said Saturday night that the fighting "won't be easy and it won't be short." A senior Israeli military official said Sunday the offensive was "not something measured in days or hours." "We are not desperate for an exit," the Israeli diplomat said.

The New York Times reported Monday that a senior Israeli military official said in a telephone briefing for foreign correspondents, "We don't plan to retake the Gaza Strip, but there are several places we control now and will control later. If it will be needed, we are prepared to stay there."

An Israeli Foreign Ministry spokesman said, "Regime change is not a stated goal." But "no one will shed too many tears if this eventually happens."

Reports from Gaza are sparse, since Israel has refused to allow correspondents into the territory. In so doing, the government is defying an order from the Israeli Supreme Court that it allow a small group of reporters into the region. The Western media, which is generally echoing the war propaganda of Israel, has said little about this enforced news blackout, which belies Israel's claims to be scrupulously avoiding civilian casualties and its repeated denials that a humanitarian crisis exists in Gaza. It is self-evident that Israel is banning reporters because it does not want the world to see up close the crimes it is committing against the Palestinian people.

However, no amount of propaganda and lies can conceal the fact that Israel, with the full support of the United States, is committing a war crime. Over the weekend, the European Commission condemned Israel, saying it was "blocking access to people who are suffering and dying," which it described as a breach of humanitarian law.

The scattered reports that are emerging from Gaza make clear that in the towns occupied by Israeli troops, such as Beit Lahiya and Beit Hanoun in the northern Gaza Strip, Israeli forces are going house to house, arresting the men and subjecting them to "interrogation." Many houses are being leveled in a campaign of collective punishment and mass terror.

According to some reports from the region close to the Israeli border, entire areas have been turned into virtual free-fire zones. USA Today on Monday cited Ashraf al-Masri, a 35-year-old taxi driver in Gaza, as saying Israeli troops are "shooting at anything that moves."

"There's no electricity. There's no water. There's fear," said al-Masri, who lives in Beit Hanoun. "What have we done to deserve this?"

The New York Times on Monday quoted a woman who came to the Shifa Hospital in Gaza City with a daughter, 15, who was wounded by shrapnel, "who said soldiers had taken over their house in Beit Lahiya and had detained the men, who she said were farmers. The family said the daughter was wounded when Israeli forces fired on the upper floors of the house."

The Times continued: "Another Gazan who lives near the border with Israel said the Israelis had destroyed many houses nearby that were identified as belonging to Hamas operatives."

From the press dispatches that have emerged, it is clear that a humanitarian crisis of immense proportions is unfolding in Gaza. The Financial Times on Monday cited Chris Gunness, spokesman for the United Nations Relief and Works Agency, who said "patients with injuries that were not life-threatening, even those who lost limbs during the bombardment, were being sent home for lack of beds and medical staff.

"He added that the ground attack has resulted in the destruction of more homes and prompted hundreds of Gazans to seek shelter with his agency."

Gaza City, with 400,000 people, has been left without electricity or water.

Tareq Abed Shafi, a professor of international law in Gaza City and a human rights activist, told the Financial Times, "I am 48 years old and I have never experienced such a terrifying situation in Gaza. They were striking everywhere."

The New York Times, hardly known for its sympathy for the Palestinians, published a front-page account Monday providing a sense of the suffering of ordinary Gazans. Entitled "Hospital Fills Up, Mainly With Civilians," the article described conditions in Gaza City's Shifa Hospital:

"The casualties at Shifa on Sunday—18 dead, hospital officials said, among a reported 30 around Gaza—were women, children and men who had been with children. One surgeon said he had performed five amputations.

"‘I don't know what kind of weapons Israel is using,' said a nurse, Ziad Abd al Jawwad, 41, who had been working 24 hours without a break. ‘There is so much amputation.'"

The article continued: "Dr. Mads Gilbert, a Norwegian who was allowed into Gaza last week to give emergency medical aid, and who has worked in many conflict zones, said the situation was the worst he had seen.

"The hospital lacked everything, he said: monitors, anesthesia, surgical equipment, heaters and spare parts..."

The article spoke of hospital workers constantly mopping up blood and noted, "A terrible stench is in the air."

It went on to quote Oved Yehezkel, the Israeli cabinet secretary, who said Sunday that "there is no humanitarian crisis in Gaza."

Separate diplomatic efforts have been launched by the European Union, French President Nicolas Sarkozy, Arab foreign ministers and Russia's special envoy to the Middle East to press for a cease-fire. The EU, Sarkozy and the Russian envoy are in the Middle East, meeting with the Israelis, the Egyptians, Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas and, in the case of Sarkozy, the Syrians. The Arab foreign ministers are in New York seeking to press the United Nations Security Council to take action.

However, they face the determined opposition of Israel and its main sponsor and military supplier, the United States. In any event, all of these groups are fundamentally hostile to Hamas and are seeking to fashion some agreement, acceptable to Israel, that would weaken Hamas's control over Gaza and block it from obtaining arms.

Some, such as Sarkozy, the EU and such Arab regimes as Egypt and Saudi Arabia, have echoed the propaganda of the US and Israel in placing the blame for the Israeli offensive on Hamas and legitimizing the Israeli assault as a matter of self-defense against Hamas rockets. In one way or another, they want to replace Hamas with an administration controlled by the US-Israeli puppet Abbas.

The specious claim that the Israeli offensive is a response to an increase in largely ineffectual, homemade rockets fired from Gaza into southern Israel was belied by an article in the fiercely pro-war Jerusalem Post, which noted on Monday:

"While a week passed between the beginning of the aerial strikes and the ground offensive, they are part of the same operation, the plan for which was drafted three years ago and had been practiced a number of times."

In other words, the Israeli plan to invade Gaza was drawn up at the time Hamas defeated the US- and Israeli-backed Fatah movement of Abbas and won Palestinian elections in January of 2006. Since then, Israel has been staging attacks and provocations designed to provide a pretext for carrying out its planned aggression.

President-elect Barack Obama continues to maintain his official silence on the Gaza crisis, thereby giving tacit support to Israel's actions. Other leading Democrats are not so discreet. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid said on a Sunday talk show, "I think this terrorist organization, Hamas, has got to be put away."

Sections of the US media are all but openly calling for a settlement with Hamas and the Palestinians of genocidal proportions. The Wall Street Journal on Monday editorialized that "Hamas has to be destroyed as a military force." It praised the Israeli offensive, comparing it to the US "surge" in Iraq.

The same issue of the newspaper carried an op-ed piece by the prominent neo-conservative Max Boot, who said more than he intended when he wrote of the Israeli offensive: "The only comparable example of restraint is the conduct of the US armed forces in Iraq and Afghanistan."

Indeed, Israel is taking a page from US imperialism's book in its murderous attack on Gaza. Washington has killed over a million Iraqis in its neo-colonial war and occupation of that tortured country, destroying entire cities such as Fallujah. It has killed thousands in Afghanistan and is preparing to increase the bloodletting with a military "surge" there. Such is the model for Israel in Gaza.
 
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Israeli shelling kills dozens at UN school in Gaza


The civilian death toll in Gaza increased dramatically today, with reports of more than 40 Palestinians killed after missiles exploded outside a UN school where hundreds of people were sheltering from the continuing Israeli offensive.

Two Israeli tank shells struck the school in Jabaliya refugee camp, spraying shrapnel on people inside and outside the building, according to news agency reports.

The medical director of the hospital in Jabaliya told the Guardian 41 bodies had been brought in so far and more could be on the way. Reuters journalists filmed bodies scattered on the ground amid pools of blood and torn shoes and clothes.

In addition to the dead, several dozen people were wounded, hospital officials said. The Israeli military said it was looking into the reports.

"I saw a lot of women and children wheeled in," Fares Ghanem, a hospital official told the Associated Press. "A lot of the wounded were missing limbs and a lot of the dead were in pieces."

Majed Hamdan, an AP photographer, who rushed to the scene shortly after the attacks, said many children were among the dead. "I saw women and men parents slapping their faces in grief, screaming, some of them collapsed to the floor. They knew their children were dead," he said.

"In the morgue, most of the killed appeared to be children. In the hospital, there wasn't enough space for the wounded."

Elsewehere, at least 12 members of an extended family, including seven young children, were killed in an air strike on their house in Gaza City. The bodies of the Daya family were pulled from the rubble of a house in Gaza city's Zeitoun district after it was hit by two Israeli missiles. The dead included seven children aged from one to 12 years, three women and two men. Nine other people were believed to be trapped in the rubble.

Hours earlier, three young men – all cousins – died when the Israelis bombed another UN school, the Asma primary school in Gaza City. They were among about 400 people who sought shelter there after fleeing their homes in Beit Lahiya in northern Gaza.

The UN, which said the school in Jabaliya was clearly marked, said it was "strongly protesting these killings to the Israeli authorities and is calling for an immediate and impartial investigation".

"Where it is found that international humanitarian law has been violated, those responsible must be held to account. Under international law, installations such as schools, health centres and UN facilities should be protected from attack. Well before the current fighting, the UN had given to the Israeli authorities the GPS co-ordinates of all its installations in Gaza, including Asma elementary school."

The killings take the total toll in Palestinian lives since the Israelis launched their assault on the Gaza Strip 11 days ago to above 600. Doctors at Gaza hospitals say that at least one-fifth of the victims are children and a large number of women are among the dead.

Israel continues to insist that the bulk of those killed are Hamas and Islamic Jihad fighters, although its claim to be going to extraordinary lengths to target only "terrorists" has been undermined by one of its own tanks firing on a building being used by Israeli troops, killing four.

The sharp spike in the number of civilian casualties came as Israeli troops and tanks moved into Gaza's second largest city, Khan Younis, for the first time today, supported by intensive artillery strikes as the military pledged to press on with its attack.

In a separate attack earlier in the day, three Palestinians were killed in an air strike on another school run by Unwra, the UN relief agency.

Nine Israelis, including three civilians hit by rocket fire, have been killed in the conflict. At least five rockets fired from Gaza landed in Israel today, including one that hit the town of Gadera, 17 miles from Tel Aviv, police said. A three-year-old girl was wounded.

The heaviest fighting has been in northern Gaza, with witnesses reporting wave after wave of bombing strikes across the north of the territory accompanied by gunfire from helicopters and artillery from land and sea. Thousands of Palestinians have been ordered to leave their homes or forced to flee the fighting.

In Shajaiyeh, east of Gaza City, Israeli troops seized control of three apartment blocks and set up gun positions on the rooftops. Residents were locked in their homes and soldiers confiscated their mobile phones, neighbours said.

Three of the four Israeli soldiers killed by friendly fire died when a tank mistakenly fired on a building where the soldiers had taken up positions. There was heavy artillery fire to cover the evacuation of 24 soldiers who were injured, including the commander of the Golani infantry brigade, one of Israel's key fighting forces.

Israel's defence minister, Ehud Barak, said his country's troops would continue their operation despite mounting Palestinian casualties and growing international calls for a ceasefire.

"Hamas has so far sustained a very heavy blow from us, but we have yet to achieve our objective, and therefore the operation continues," Barak said.

The Israeli foreign minister, Tzipi Livni, said the offensive was intended to change permanently the shape of Israel's conflict with Hamas. "When Israel is targeted, Israel is going to retaliate," she said. Israel has rejected calls for a ceasefire.

The military said it had bombed more smuggling tunnels across the border with Egypt, in the south, and hit more than 40 other sites across Gaza including buildings storing weapons and rocket launching areas.

In Gaza, Mahmoud Zahar, the most senior leader of Hamas in the strip and a hardliner in the movement, appeared on the party's al-Aqsa television station and gave a defiant speech threatening attacks not only in Gaza but elsewhere.

"The Zionists have legitimised the killing of their children by killing our children. They have legitimised the killing of their people all over the world by killing our people," Zahar said. He urged Hamas fighters to "crush your enemy".

Another Hamas figure, a recognised military spokesman called Abu Ubaida, said thousands of Hamas fighters were waiting in Gaza to take on the Israeli military, and that rocket attacks would increase. More than 40 were fired into southern Israel yesterday, including one that landed in an empty kindergarten, which, like all schools near the Gaza border, has been closed since the conflict began.. Israeli police said a total of 520 rockets had been fired in the past 11 days of fighting.

Israeli troops are now deployed in and around the major urban areas of Gaza, particularly to the north, in Beit Hanoun, Beit Lahiya and Jabaliya. Using leaflets, telephone calls and radio announcements, they have ordered residents in many areas to leave their homes, forcing at least 15,000 Palestinians to flee to safety elsewhere. At least 5,000 are staying in 11 different UN schools and shelters.

The UN said more than 1 million Gazans were still without electricity or water and that it was increasingly difficult for staff to distribute aid or reach the injured. It said more industrial diesel was needed to reopen the strip's sole power plant, which has been shut for a week. Ten transformers have been damaged in the fighting.

More wheat grain is needed for food handouts, and the UN said Karni, the main commercial crossing, should be reopened to allow it in. Four ambulances and three mobile clinics were destroyed when bombs hit the headquarters of the Union of Health Care Committees in Gaza City.

John Holmes, the UN emergency relief coordinator, said Gaza represented an "increasingly alarming" humanitarian crisis, and that the territory was running low on clean water, power, food, medicine and other supplies since Israel began its offensive. Israeli leaders claim there is no humanitarian crisis.

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Listening to Norte Sidin 2 and I overheard woodie say
"never trust the cops or make deals with shylocks"
That anti-semite.