Christianity is stupid as fuck...

[HERESY]

:SHAKING MY HEAD:


I SAID I WON'T PARTAKE IN RELIGIOUS DEBATES AGAIN...


PRE TRIB RAPTURE? FALSE.

CHRISTIANS WORSHIPPING THE CROSS? I'VE NEVER ENCOUNTERED THAT BUT IF THEY ARE THEY ARE IDIOTS.

CATHOLICS ARE CHRISTIAN? FALSE. THEY ARE A DIFFERENT SECT AND SHOULD NOT BE CONFUSED WITH "CHRISTIANITY".


JEWS DON'T ACCEPT YESHUA AS MESSIAH? DEPENDS ON WHAT JEWISH SECT MEMBER YOU SPEAK WITH.


JEWS TODAY BEING "REAL" HEBREW? LOL!


:HGK:

 

[FunK-3-FivE]

:SHAKING MY HEAD:


I SAID I WON'T PARTAKE IN RELIGIOUS DEBATES AGAIN...


PRE TRIB RAPTURE? FALSE.

CHRISTIANS WORSHIPPING THE CROSS? I'VE NEVER ENCOUNTERED THAT BUT IF THEY ARE THEY ARE IDIOTS.

CATHOLICS ARE CHRISTIAN? FALSE. THEY ARE A DIFFERENT SECT AND SHOULD NOT BE CONFUSED WITH "CHRISTIANITY".


JEWS DON'T ACCEPT YESHUA AS MESSIAH? DEPENDS ON WHAT JEWISH SECT MEMBER YOU SPEAK WITH.


JEWS TODAY BEING "REAL" HEBREW? LOL!


:HGK:

Don't get me confused with praise and worship. I've seen many a people take this object very seriously as if it in itself has a divine power.

Catholics believe in Jesus Christ there for they are christians. You would be stupid to think otherwise, christianity is not a religion, it's the base of many religions.

 

[inferno]

PRE TRIB RAPTURE? FALSE.

The church will not go through the tribulation

Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people-what people? Who was the Lord addressing? He was addressing Daniel who was a Jew. Seventy weeks are determined among thy people - The Jewish people. This has nothing to do with the Gentile church or the bride of Christ.

There are six things specifically outlined by God in (Dan. 9:24)
that he intends to accoplish against Israel for her failure to serve him.
1. To finish the transgression, 2. To make an end of sins 3. To make reconciliation for iniquity, 4. To bring in everlasting righteousness, 5. To seal up the vision and prophecy, 6. To anoint the most Holy

Their are Old Testament Saints, Their are New Testament Saints and their are Tribulation Saints.

The most important thing to note was that Old Testament Prophets did not see the Church Age. However the Jewish prophets saw the Day of the Lord and the tribulation.
(Joel 2:11) And the Lord shall utter his voice before his army: for his camp is very great: for he is strong that executeth his word: for the day of the Lord is great and very terrible: and who can abide it.
(Rev 16:14) .....to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
(Zech. 14:1) Behold the day of the Lord cometh...
(Rev 7:14)...These are they that came out of the great Tribulation...

Gods direct displeasure was poured out upon the Jews and their nation through the voices and prophets of old and because of their failure to serve him.


We have seven weeks plus threescore and two weeks or 69 weeks until the cutting off of the Messiah. 69 weeks x 7 years equals 483 years to the day. But where is the last seven years of the Seventieth Week? It is the tribulation Period, which will be seven years long. It is Gods final stroke of judgement against the house of Israel.

Sandwhiched in between the 69th and 70th week is the period of the Church Age out of which God will take a people for His Name's sake.

Herein lies wisdom
The Bible teaches that the Anti-Christ will be the most powerful figure in the world; so powerful in fact that if you dont take his mark in your hand or forehead, you can neither buy nor sell.

However, the same Bible teaches that greater is he that is in you than he that is in the world. (You cant have to greaters here at the same time.) Of necessity one has to be gone.

(2 Th 2:7) For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

(2 Th 2:8) And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming.

The Anti-Christ cannot step on the world scene as long as the Church is here because the Church is greater in every way than the powers of the Anti-Christ.

If the church were going through the tribulation period; if we were actually going through something as monumental, as trying, as treacherous as outlined in the book of Revelation and elsewhere int eh scriptures, wouldn't you think God would have given some instructions in the New Testament to the Church on how to prepare, how to get through the Tribulation. There is not one line, not one word of any such instruction because the Church will not go through it.

God gave 21 books of epistles or letters to the Church on how to live, how to prepare for His coming, to watch for his appearing... but not one instruction on how to get through the tribulation.
(Rev 3:10)
...I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which will come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.
(Lk 21:36)
"Whatch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass,"
(1 Th 1:10)
"And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered(past tense) us from the wrath to come."
(1 Th 5:9)
"For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ."
(Rom 5:9)
"Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved form wrath through him.

 

[FunK-3-FivE]

u must keep a bible ready at hand right next to your keyboard^^^^^^^^

 

[inferno]

u must keep a bible ready at hand right next to your keyboard^^^^^^^^

It would depend on the topic discussed, alot of passages of scripture come from memorization, studying etc... Although it doesn't hurt to reference it when needed.

 

[inferno]

the Bible is a collection of both stories and historical accounts. So when when referencing it, you don't know which your refering to.

Agree with the historical accounts the bible provides, but the stories that you speak of were more that just stories.

So when referencing it, it's not as difficult as some make it. Whether their were types and foreshadows that were used in the Old Tesatment, analogies that were told, symbols there was always instruction given.

The lord used analogies to give heavenly stories an earthly meaning. Foreshadows were used to typify events to come etc.. Bible college can do a lot for a person. So the unlearned may not know the difference when referencing it, but I've not yet to have a problem.

1 cross + 3 nails = 4given!!!!!!!!!

 

[FunK-3-FivE]

Agree with the historical accounts the bible provides, but the stories that you speak of were more that just stories.

So when referencing it, it's not as difficult as some make it. Whether their were types and foreshadows that were used in the Old Tesatment, analogies that were told, symbols there was always instruction given.

The lord used analogies to give heavenly stories an earthly meaning.

Then who is to say it isn't all an analogy?

Foreshadows were used to typify events to come etc.. Bible college can do a lot for a person. So the unlearned may not know the difference when referencing it, but I've not yet to have a problem.

...God must have meant for all of us to go to bible college right?

1 cross + 3 nails = 4given!!!!!!!!!

lol.

 

[Formaldehyde Rx]

I agree with the title of this thread

 

[inferno]

Then who is to say it isn't all an analogy?

You have got to be kidding right? I understand your disposition but for the love of God. What if this?, what if that?
That has got to be the first time I've heard that one, but as they say, theres a first time for everything.

God must have meant for all of us to go to bible college right?

(2 Tim 2:15) Study to show thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashmed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

I remember stating that bible college can do alot for a person because a friend I know has gone and is well versed, and ministering now. I was implicating the benefit outside of the church walls it can have. Me on the other hand, I have tooken alot of classes, studied on my own and have learned from experience

This is what separates me from alot of people. Some like to argue, debate etc... and they search web pages and books to try and refute, dispell or make claims that may contradict the bible.

I have been to peoples houses on my own accord to merely pray for any needs they may have had. I witnessed first hand children who were sick, people filled with demonic spirits, bound to drugs and people who were highly involved in witchcraft. And every encounter I initiated praying for them and seen reversal of their circumstances. I would like to attribute my blind faith I have to the word of God.

But I could never find harm in believing in this book, where I've felt compelled to help people not just of my own free will. I still can't see why people insist on calling christians this and that and I know how much good they have done for people. I can't speak for them all, because I know someone will reference a group or a specific christian they despise. But my mission will always remain the same and that will be to try to get more of Gods character in me, and to continue to minister to people that are hungry for God. This is not for those who don't want him. And it must be coincidental that all these incidents parallel to this book of analogies.

You never cease to amaze me, and even you my friend still have time to yield to Gods call. He will reach out to you regardless of your denial.

You have nothing to loose and everything to gain. Give him a chance he has given you plenty.

 

[HERESY]

The church will not go through the tribulation

Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people-what people? Who was the Lord addressing? He was addressing Daniel who was a Jew. Seventy weeks are determined among thy people - The Jewish people. This has nothing to do with the Gentile church or the bride of Christ.

There are six things specifically outlined by God in (Dan. 9:24)
that he intends to accoplish against Israel for her failure to serve him.
1. To finish the transgression, 2. To make an end of sins 3. To make reconciliation for iniquity, 4. To bring in everlasting righteousness, 5. To seal up the vision and prophecy, 6. To anoint the most Holy

Their are Old Testament Saints, Their are New Testament Saints and their are Tribulation Saints.

The most important thing to note was that Old Testament Prophets did not see the Church Age. However the Jewish prophets saw the Day of the Lord and the tribulation.
(Joel 2:11) And the Lord shall utter his voice before his army: for his camp is very great: for he is strong that executeth his word: for the day of the Lord is great and very terrible: and who can abide it.
(Rev 16:14) .....to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
(Zech. 14:1) Behold the day of the Lord cometh...
(Rev 7:14)...These are they that came out of the great Tribulation...

Gods direct displeasure was poured out upon the Jews and their nation through the voices and prophets of old and because of their failure to serve him.


We have seven weeks plus threescore and two weeks or 69 weeks until the cutting off of the Messiah. 69 weeks x 7 years equals 483 years to the day. But where is the last seven years of the Seventieth Week? It is the tribulation Period, which will be seven years long. It is Gods final stroke of judgement against the house of Israel.

Sandwhiched in between the 69th and 70th week is the period of the Church Age out of which God will take a people for His Name's sake.

Herein lies wisdom
The Bible teaches that the Anti-Christ will be the most powerful figure in the world; so powerful in fact that if you dont take his mark in your hand or forehead, you can neither buy nor sell.

However, the same Bible teaches that greater is he that is in you than he that is in the world. (You cant have to greaters here at the same time.) Of necessity one has to be gone.

(2 Th 2:7) For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

(2 Th 2:8) And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming.

The Anti-Christ cannot step on the world scene as long as the Church is here because the Church is greater in every way than the powers of the Anti-Christ.

If the church were going through the tribulation period; if we were actually going through something as monumental, as trying, as treacherous as outlined in the book of Revelation and elsewhere int eh scriptures, wouldn't you think God would have given some instructions in the New Testament to the Church on how to prepare, how to get through the Tribulation. There is not one line, not one word of any such instruction because the Church will not go through it.

God gave 21 books of epistles or letters to the Church on how to live, how to prepare for His coming, to watch for his appearing... but not one instruction on how to get through the tribulation.
(Rev 3:10)
...I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which will come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.
(Lk 21:36)
"Whatch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass,"
(1 Th 1:10)
"And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered(past tense) us from the wrath to come."
(1 Th 5:9)
"For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ."
(Rom 5:9)
"Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved form wrath through him.

I'LL GIVE AN IN DEPTH REPLY BY TUESDAY. IT WILL CONSIST OF THE ORIGINS OF THE PRE TRIB DOCTRINE, THE VERSES YOU LISTED (AND HOW YOU MISCONSTRUE THEM) ALONG WITH VERSE DIRECTLY FROM YESHUA THAT CONTRADICT THE TEACHING.


HAVE FUN.



:HGK:

 

[HERESY]

Before we go any further I have a question for you Inferno. Are you a member of a 501 (c) 3 church?


Before you answer *any* question answer that one. It will shed some light on your belief system and how you came across it. You may take some of this post personal but don't. With that being said your doctrine is false and full of holes. In fact the typical christian doctrine (doctrines based on paganism and 501 c3 teachings) are riddled with holes and idiocy.


First let's start with your assumption that the rapture is real. Do you know of Margaret Macdonald or the Angelican church? If not here are several links:


http://www.banner.org.uk/misc/rapture.html


If you do the research you will come to the conclusion that the doctrine originated in the 1800's, in england and was not part of the doctrine held by FOLLOWERS OF THE WAY, PEOPLE OF THE WAY OR THOSE OF THE NAZARENE SECTS.


Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people-what people? Who was the Lord addressing? He was addressing Daniel who was a Jew. Seventy weeks are determined among thy people - The Jewish people. This has nothing to do with the Gentile church or the bride of Christ. This is up for debate (as to who it has or doesn't have to deal with). One can easily list Israel (jews and gentiles who have been grafted in) as the people.


The tribulation is **NOT** by YHWH'S hand. The tribulation is the direct result of the Antichrist and his actions. Your reason for listing daniel is for what?


Their are Old Testament Saints, Their are New Testament Saints and their are Tribulation Saints.

But aren't the saints supposed to be raptured?!? How could you have tribulation saints if they will all be raptured? Oh I get it now they will some how convert after everyone is warped/teleported to heaven....


The most important thing to note was that Old Testament Prophets did not see the Church Age. However the Jewish prophets saw the Day of the Lord and the tribulation.


The jewish prophets saw the day of the lord? If thats the case this world would have ENDED by now. Are you saying they saw this in a vision or they literally saw it?


(Joel 2:11) And the Lord shall utter his voice before his army: for his camp is very great: for he is strong that executeth his word: for the day of the Lord is great and very terrible: and who can abide it.
(Rev 16:14) .....to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
(Zech. 14:1) Behold the day of the Lord cometh...
(Rev 7:14)...These are they that came out of the great Tribulation...


These verses do not prove that the day of the lord was a literal event that jewish prophets of that time actually EXPERIENCED.

Gods direct displeasure was poured out upon the Jews and their nation through the voices and prophets of old and because of their failure to serve him.


I understand this but the tribulation is NOT YHWH'S displeasure nor is it *his* punishment.


We have seven weeks plus threescore and two weeks or 69 weeks until the cutting off of the Messiah. 69 weeks x 7 years equals 483 years to the day. But where is the last seven years of the Seventieth Week? It is the tribulation Period, which will be seven years long. It is Gods final stroke of judgement against the house of Israel.I'll actually address this later. However can we agree that the cutting off has to do with the death of Yeshua?



"Sandwhiched in between the 69th and 70th week is the period of the Church Age out of which God will take a people for His Name's sake."


This is known as THE GAP THEORY. Why have 2000+ years transpired? What is the purpose of skipping 2000 years?


Herein lies wisdom?????? huh? Who speaks like that?

The Bible teaches that the Anti-Christ will be the most powerful figure in the world; so powerful in fact that if you dont take his mark in your hand or forehead, you can neither buy nor sell.

His MARK, his NAME or the NUMBER OF HIS NAME. Not just his mark.


However, the same Bible teaches that greater is he that is in you than he that is in the world. (You cant have to greaters here at the same time.) Of necessity one has to be gone.

this is irellevent info that does nothing to support your claim that the rapture doctrine (or any of your doctrine) is realistic.


(2 Th 2:7) For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

(2 Th 2:8) And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming.

The Anti-Christ cannot step on the world scene as long as the Church is here because the Church is greater in every way than the powers of the Anti-Christ.

THE CHURCH IS A WHORE, AN ABOMINATION IN THE EYE SIGHT OF THE LORD. IT'S UTTERLY WICKED, DECEITFUL AND HAS BEEN JUDGED. ARE YOU SAYING THE "HE" (IN THE FIRST VERSE YOU LISTED) IS THE CHURCH? HOW COME THE HE CAN'T BE THE HOLY SPIRIT?

 

[HERESY]

If the church were going through the tribulation period; if we were actually going through something as monumental, as trying, as treacherous as outlined in the book of Revelation and elsewhere int eh scriptures, wouldn't you think God would have given some instructions in the New Testament to the Church on how to prepare, how to get through the Tribulation. There is not one line, not one word of any such instruction because the Church will not go through it.

God gave 21 books of epistles or letters to the Church on how to live, how to prepare for His coming, to watch for his appearing... but not one instruction on how to get through the tribulation.


Actually it does contain info on what to do. Watch, be ready, repent or perish. Did Yeshua not mention the great tribulation? Please refer to matt 24. Not ONE verse in the bible contains teh word rapture, no early church doctrine supports it (because it wasn't invented yet). How to get through the tribulation? Be a martyr, don't take the mark.


(Rev 3:10)
...I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which will come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.
(Lk 21:36)
"Whatch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass,"
(1 Th 1:10)
"And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered(past tense) us from the wrath to come."
(1 Th 5:9)
"For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ."
(Rom 5:9)
"Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved form wrath through him.


These verses do not imply being raptured away to some heaven and I don't see how they could. Keeping someone from something does not mean taking them out. Didn't Yeshua pray that they be not taken out of the world?

I'll finish this tommorow.



:HGK:

 

[FunK-3-FivE]

I have been to peoples houses on my own accord to merely pray for any needs they may have had. I witnessed first hand children who were sick, people filled with demonic spirits, bound to drugs and people who were highly involved in witchcraft. And every encounter I initiated praying for them and seen reversal of their circumstances.

Demonic spirits and witchcraft? Tell me, did you burn the witches or did they confess and urn to be saved by the light of God?

Ever noticed how if a child comes to you crying with a small scratch and if u give them a bandaide and tell them it will make them better they immediantly stop?
I'd personally like to hear ur firsthand accounts of people filled with demonic spirits. Did you expierence anything supernatural? I'd also like to say that some psychologists dismiss claims of persons being possessed by the devil as a form of psychosis involving paranoia schitzophrenia and in some cases multi-personality, what do u say to this?

 

[inferno]

Demonic spirits and witchcraft? Tell me, did you burn the witches or did they confess and urn to be saved by the light of God?

Did I burn the witches? You never cease to amaze me with the sarcasm and the skepticism. And your comprehension of anything that has to do with this subject is exactly that. I haven't seen anyone run to be saved by any light. However I have witnessed a person who had full blown cancer, get prayed for go to the doctor and discover they no longer had it. And I have had countless occasions that I experienced first hand not by way of a story. And the funny thing is they parellel to the accounts in the bible.

To believe or not to believe is completely up to you. I am not relying on web pages or books to conjure up some stories or belief in God. I live it my friend. Anyone who believes otherwise more power to them. It has not ever changed anything to me on my end.

Ever noticed how if a child comes to you crying with a small scratch and if u give them a bandaide and tell them it will make them better they immediantly stop?

Or better yet, have you ever noticed when a child is really ill sick, or dealing with an event that can't be patched up by a bandaide? They really need assistance and can't do it on their own.

I'd personally like to hear ur firsthand accounts of people filled with demonic spirits. Did you expierence anything supernatural?

I'd have no problem sharing all the experiences I've had. On one hand it wouldn't really do any justice for you. You already have made up your mind as to not believing in the first place. And do I need to continue to share my experiences just so you can make negative comments? I'll save me and you the time.

Did you expierence anything supernatural? I'd also like to say that some psychologists dismiss claims of persons being possessed by the devil as a form of psychosis involving paranoia schitzophrenia and in some cases multi-personality, what do u say to this?

I like to refer to any supernatural experience as Gods super working on my natural. I have studied psychology in college and I understand the views about God. The one thing that stands out to me is the fact that they have never experienced first hand any encounters they dispute. Their analysis is subjective, and speculative at best. It is very opionionated and vague at times. You can find anyone that may have tendencies of irrational behavior and they make the claim that they believe in God etc...And if an individual is possessed by the devil, it doesn't mean they couldn't have any behavioral issues or problems before or after they were possessed.

Maybe all the accounts that Jesus experienced with the people that were devil possessed were accounts of people really just being schitzophrenic, or they had multi-personalities.

 

[inferno]

Before we go any further I have a question for you Inferno. Are you a member of a 501 (c) 3 church?

No to the 501(c) 3 question and I haven't even been to a church in quite some time now. And the one I had visited prior is not 501(c) 3.

 

[HERESY]

@Inferno Can we agree that the PRE TRIB RAPTURE theory states the following:


Jesus will come back for his followers. He will come back in the sky and will raise the dead *FIRST*. Aftwe he raises the dead he will transform those who remain (believers) in a twinkling of an eye and take them to heaven for 7 years (trib period).


If you would like to add anything else feel free but thats a quick summary.


NOW LET'S FOCUS ON MARK 13:11- FOR A SECOND:


But when they shall lead you, and deliver you up, take no thought beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Ghost.

11 Now the brother shall betray the brother to death, and the father the son; and children shall rise up against their parents, and shall cause them to be put to death.

13 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

14 But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains:

15 And let him that is on the housetop not go down into the house, neither enter therein, to take any thing out of his house:

16 And let him that is in the field not turn back again for to take up his garment.

17 But woe to them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!

18 And pray ye that your flight be not in the winter.

19 For in those days shall be affliction, such as was not from the beginning of the creation which God created unto this time, neither shall be.

20 And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect's sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days.

21 And then if any man shall say to you, Lo, here is Christ; or, lo, he is there; believe him not:

22 For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall show signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect.

23 But take ye heed: behold, I have foretold you all things.

24 But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light,

25 And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken.

26 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.

27 And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.



If the pre trib rapture is real it contradicts EVERY verse in italics. If the pre trib rapture is real WHO has to endure until the end as stated in verse 13? If it's real why should The Lord shorten those days for the elects sake? Aren't the elect supposed to be in heaven via the rapture before this tribulation period? If the pre trib rapture is real why do you have Yeshua coming back AFTER this period as stated in verse 24-27?


In matthew 24:3 the disciples ask him two specific questions.

1.What is the sign of your coming and of the end of the world?

a direct answer can be found in verse 29 and 30 and it contradicts a pre trib rapture event.


Quick question if the end times are like the days of Noah how can the rapture be true? Not many people were saved during the days of noah.



Now let's turn our attention to Rev 20:4


4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgement was given unto them; and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the Word of God, and which had not worshipped the best, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands, and they lived a reigned with Christ a thousand years.


What did John see? He saw a SPECIFIC group of people. Those who were beheaded for their witness, did not accept the mark etc etc etc.


5 but the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. THIS IS THE FIRST RESURRECTION.


This verse specifically states the FIRST RESURRECTION. How can you have Yeshua coming in a rapture to raise the dead when this states it's the first?


6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in THE FIRST RESURRECTION, on such the second death hath no power. but they shall be priests of God, and of Christ and shall reign with Him a thousand years.



While we are on the subject of raising of the dead lets read john 11:23-24

23 Jesus saith to her, thy Brother shall rise again.

24 Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again, at the resurrection at the last day.


Keep this in mind for future reference.


You listed Rev 3:10 as proof of the rapture but have you looked this verse up in greek? I suggest you do so asap.




So no 501 c3 church? Just curious how did you encounter your belief system?



:hgk:

 

[inferno]

@ HERESY

Answer me a question as well, I will respond to your posts also. I want to know what postion you hold before I continue to go further with my belief in a pre-trib discussion. Whether no tribulation at all, mid, post-trib or post millenial.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

How would we know if it's ARMAGEDDON or not? Are we going to see pale horses and is the moon going to turn to blood?

 

[2-0-Sixx]

I think you should get this armageddon scenerio out of the conversation because it's going to go back and forth.

I think a better hypothetical question you should ask is what I will do if I die and I stand before the christian god or some shit like that.

Hypothetically speaking of course, if that were to occur, and "god" asked me why I was not a believer, I would say the same thing Bertrand Russell said, "you didn’t give me enough evidence."

Thats what it all boils down to comrade...evidence.

 

[RuThLeSs RiCk]

If events did unfold how they were foretold in the Bible, that still wouldn't have much meaning. Those who are in control of the world at this point are Christian. Why do you think Jews are taking land away from Palestinians? Do you think those who wrote the Bible knew this was going to happen? The governments are responsible for this.

Lets think of a possible scenario. The government is ushering in the New World Order, which has a target date of 2012, according to a prominent 33rd degree freemason. They know people will not just go for it straight out, so they have to put a lot of propaganda on that shit so people will follow. What better than the Bible to brainwash the masses overtly or covertly through religion?

I don't know if I'm making it clear or not. What I mean is that they could use the Bible as a blueprint for the "End of the World" or whatever you want to call it. All those who believe in the Bible will not fight against it, because their faith is with Jesus. This would be the perfect time to administer any plan that the government, or anybody else has for world-changing events.