Christianity is stupid as fuck...

[inferno]

damn, where you comin up wit this stuff. You got a Bible in front of you or are you spittin straight from the dome? You're pretty quick to give insights. You sure you're not God?

I'm spitting from the domepiece, from experience, from the bible when I need to reference a scriptural passage I don't remember verbatim. I'm not God just his son.

If god is too perfect, then how could we have imperfections, assuming we were created in gods image?

Mans imperfections are related to the fall of man in the garden of Eden. Initially Adam and Eve walked and fellowshipped with God. They weren't privy to their nakedness and good and evil. The plan was for them to live their eternally. They disobeyed God as you know it, were cast out of the garden, and God placed cherubims to keep them from the tree of life, so they wouldn't eat from it and gain eternal life. God is a spirit and he didn't have flesh and bones until he robed himself in flesh.
Inferno.....

one of my biggest problems is the speaking in tonges issue.....
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grew up in a penticostle church....and it was like ...you had to speak in tongues to be considered...a person of god....
.....by reading about speaking in tongues i believe what god is tryin to say...

Not neccasarily so, on the day of Pentecost it says that they were filled with the spirit and spoke in other tongues, Cornelius spoke with other tongues, and Mary was in the upperoom at the time and also spoke in tongues, every account a person received the spirit it mentions they spoke in tongues.

The reason God chose the tongue was very simple. (James 3:8) But the tongue can no man tame; it is an unruly evil, full of deadly poision. It goes on prior to this verse to give an example of controlling a horse by just a bit put in his mouth as well as a ship being controlled by a small helm. It correlates these large vessels being controlled by a small thing just like the tongue being a small member yet being the root to alot of iniquity.

To conclude, God is the only person who can tame our tongue and he does so when we receive his spirit and speak in tongues.
When Nicodemus a ruler amonf the Jews questioned him about eternal life, He told him he must be born of the water and of the spirit or he could not inherit eternal life.

When he used the parable of the wind blowing where it wants to and you hear the sound but cant tell where its coming from or going he equated it with it being the way you could tell someone was born again of the spirit, by hearing the sound.

Ponder this, what happens when a baby is born and how do you know its alive? First the Doctor will tap the baby on the bottom, the mucus will release and the baby will do what? Yes cry. You can hear the sound of the spirit when you are born again.

someone filled with the spirit should always be able to translate...

First there are two types of usages of tongues mentioned in the bible. You have to differentiate when the bible is referring to one or the other. In every account in the book of Acts it is referring to a person being filled with spirit of god with the evidence of speaking in tongues.
( Corinthians 12:8-11)
The translation part is a gift of the spirit. There are 9 gifts mentioned in the book of Corinthians. The gift of faith, the word of wisdom, the gifts of healings, discerning of spirits, prophecy, the word of knowledge, the working of miracles, divers(various) kinds of tongues, and interpretaion of tongues.
The misinterpretaion people have is not understanding what was going on in Corinth. They were a church out of order and Paul was writing to them to restore regulation in the church.

Speaking in tongues does what for a person
1. To communicate with God (1 Cor. 14:2)
For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God.
2. Edification of oneself(building up)(1 Cor. 14:4)
He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.
3. Your spirit prays 1 Cor. 14:14)
For if I pray in an unknown tongue my spirit prayeth but my mind is unfruitful.

And here is understanding all that he was trying to exhort the church to do was to pray that when they spoke in tongues that they would pray not just to edify themselves, but to pray that their would be an interpretation that the whole church would receive edification.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

JLMACN for the last time evolution does NOT state humans came from apes. You have displayed your ignorance on the subject and I recommend you study it more in depth before making such absurd remarks.

2-0-sixx......

i answer your questions with this....
......no one can see god....
...he is to perfect for us to see him.....one man saw god...and went blind....Moses saw his back while in the moutains...and grew very old....

...yes i have talked to him....i know he exists casue he talks back...and answers my prayers...

How does he talk to you? I want to know in detail. Do you chill in your room and you can hear a voice? Is it coming from inside your head?

How has he answered your prayers?

i know Jesus loves 2-0-sixx cause he died on the cross for you...and for me...and for everyone....on the siccness.....

I guess jesus died so I’d be an atheist, comrade.

.....its not a fairytale...although i know your hardened heart wishes it was.....

No comrade, I do not wish it was a fairytale. If anything, I wish there were a place called heaven we could go to after we die. But the problem comrade is there is no evidence to support these claims. Just like there is no evidence supporting Santa Claus or leprechauns or tooth-fairies etc. All of these things would be great if the existed…that doesn’t mean we should believe in them.

it is true....science even says he existed.....you should watch a show on the Discovery channel called "scientifically prving the bible"....
they are scientist...that prove happenings in the bible....

ANY scientist who believes everything in the bible is accurate is either insane or not a real scientist.

BTW, I actually know what you’re talking about and watched some it not too long ago. Not persuasive at all. In fact, it offered absolutely nothing as far as proving the bible other than some known historical facts.

you think science can explain everything....but they can not...

Yes, science can explain everything. So far, the things humans do not understand is not because science can’t explain them, it’s because man has yet figured out how to use science to explain it.

we have free will to live how we please....
.....God did create us to be perfect....but...Adam and Eve messed that up for everyone...

Oh, my favorite biblical contradiction. So let me get this straight; god created all and knows all…which means before adam and steve were created, god already knew the future. Hmmm. You know where I’m getting at….god knew when he created them (and all of us for that matter) their predestined outcomes. He knew they would “fuck up”, he knew Hitler would kill millions of people and he knew I’d be an atheist.

I’ve heard it all JLMACN. It will eventually all boil down to you having blind faith. That’s it. You believe without any logical or rational evidence.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

He can believe what he wants to believe. It doesn't make him wrong, nor it doesn't make him right. Like I said before, we all got free will to live. It is not up to us to judge. God doesn't make your decisions for you, you do. You might disagree with him, but in the end what does it matter? I have many disagreements with him too, but I ain't gonna judge him upon his own beliefs.

Lil Pino, I did not judge him and I never said he cannot believe in god or whatever. I am simply having a conversation with him.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

I don't see how "blind faith" is an insult. JMAC will probably agree with me (maybe not but most people on this site eventually have) that faith is all he really has.

 

[WHITE DEVIL]

"In order for one to come to me he must have faith like a child."

"Do you see these among you? These are the least among you, yet their faith is the greatest"

 

[L Mac-a-docious]

"In order for one to come to me he must have faith like a child."

"Do you see these among you? These are the least among you, yet their faith is the greatest"

Is that the Easter Bunny who said that?

 

[WHITE DEVIL]

It's the Jesus Bunny, the one who works picks tomatoes.

 

[L Mac-a-docious]

Ohhhhhhh...the Hay-seuss Bunny....yeah I know him...he coo.

 

[Ethereal]

Oh, my favorite biblical contradiction. So let me get this straight; god created all and knows all…which means before adam and steve were created, god already knew the future. Hmmm. You know where I’m getting at….god knew when he created them (and all of us for that matter) their predestined outcomes. He knew they would “fuck up”, he knew Hitler would kill millions of people and he knew I’d be an atheist.

When I hear the phrase "God is all knowing" I do not necessarily equate telling the future into it. Does the Bible specifically state that he can see the future? And if it doesn't, then it could be boiled down to a misinterpretation. When I think of "All knowing" I think of an entity that knows everything at any present point in time. He knows our thoughts, our history, our secrets, everything; but not what we are going to think, our future, and what secrets we will hold. I just don't see how "All knowing" has to mean one can see the future, because there is yet anything to know about the future, as it does not yet exist.

FREEWILL vs. ALL KNOWING.

Lets say that God can see the future, as possibly stated in the Bible. I do not believe that it would completely debunk the existance of free will. Just because God knows what I am going to do next does not mean that I didn't choose to do it. All it means for sure is that, with his great ability to see and know everything, he understands what decisions I will make. He can see what I am going to do next - and for what reasons - but does not choose it for me.

If I were standing at the edge of a bridge contemplating on meeting the bottom, a lack of free will would mean God makes my decision for me. For one to know everything, he would know what I was going to choose - but that does not hinder my ability to make a sound decision on my own with no authority dictating my every thought.

If God reads my mind, and by this understands what I am going to do next, it would merely be an observation, not a lack of free will or a mental intrusion.

 

[MizeryU]

god spoke to me today
he didnt say much n i didnt hear it out loud
but i did hear it clearly
but if YOU wanna hear him you gotta listen

 

[2-0-Sixx]

When I hear the phrase "God is all knowing" I do not necessarily equate telling the future into it. Does the Bible specifically state that he can see the future?

All-knowing or in other words omniscience, means total knowledge. That means past, present and future. Ask any Christian, they will tell you “god knows all”, he knows the future.

FREEWILL vs. ALL KNOWING.

Lets say that God can see the future, as possibly stated in the Bible. I do not believe that it would completely debunk the existance of free will. Just because God knows what I am going to do next does not mean that I didn't choose to do it. All it means for sure is that, with his great ability to see and know everything, he understands what decisions I will make. He can see what I am going to do next - and for what reasons - but does not choose it for me.

You have to understand the word omniscient, Nitro. If god KNOWS ALL, he KNOWS THE FUTURE. If he doesn’t, he is not omniscient. If he does, how can there be free will if he knew all possible outcomes before you were created? If you said, “Hmm, I have a decision…either I eat a jelly donut or I eat a bear-claw.” If god is omniscient he knows your decision before you make it. Do you really have a choice? You follow me? Before god created you, he knew all of your decisions; he knew everything you would possibly decide to do. Take it back further; before god created man or earth, he knew all possible outcomes.

If I were standing at the edge of a bridge contemplating on meeting the bottom, a lack of free will would mean God makes my decision for me. For one to know everything, he would know what I was going to choose - but that does not hinder my ability to make a sound decision on my own with no authority dictating my every thought.

Then that means we are predestined.

 

[RuThLeSs RiCk]

Whats even funnier is how I thought I already gave proof but let me check to make sure.
Hmmmm. here it is

It means their was old testament prophecy of speaking in tongues with the affirmation on the day of Pentecost as well as in modern day times. Where they have tested it to be an unknown language with syllables. hence proof.
There have been occasions where and individual has prayed to god speaking in tongues. And the individual only speaks one language yet, their has been accounts while the person spoke in tongues, another individual could understand the person praying or praising God in their language.
(I Corinthians 14:21)
In the law it is written, With Men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that they will not hear me. saith the Lord.
(Acts 2:4)
And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues as the spirit gave them the utterance.(Acts 10:46)
For they heard them speak with tongues and magnify God.
What is the reason for one speaking in tongues aside from the bible saying it is a sign to the unbeliever of a person having the spirit of God in them.
(1 Corinthians 14:22)
Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth no for them that believe not, but for them which believe.

1. Jacobs descendants regaining control of Israel (Amos 9:14,15)
2. The people of Israel being a united people again.(Ezekiel 37:15,19)
3. Israels army being disproportionatly powerful(Leviticus26:3,7-8)
The list goes on and I can go into detail with these later but hisory also provides insight to these truths.

The funniest thing is it really doesn't matter how much proof you show an unbeliever. He could see God face to face and still says he needs more proof. Like I said before skepticism is nothing new.

Please tell me you're joking. You believe that speaking in tongues is a prediction of events? HAHAHAHAHAHA... Speaking in tongues is not a prediction...people read the bible and blurt out a bunch of nonsense, or possibly another language (made-up or of the past). Then I guess the Bible predicted that little kids would speak in tongues, too (babbling). This is not remotely near proof of the Bible predicting events.

1. Jacobs descendants regaining control of Israel (Amos 9:14,15)

This is the same claim EVERY indigenous group that has ever been invaded has claimed. If he said, "They will buyth the land back through the Jewish Trust Fun, not allow future sales to Arabs, and they will have the aid of the terrorist American state," then that is a prediction. What you have is a claim.

2. The people of Israel being a united people again.(Ezekiel 37:15,19)

This claims Israel will be united (whoopty fuckin do) BUT also that the Christian Jesus/God will be their God...so do the Jews believe in Christianity nowadays?

3. Israels army being disproportionatly powerful(Leviticus26:3,7-8)
The list goes on and I can go into detail with these later but hisory also provides insight to these truths.

Leviticus 26:

3 If ye walk in my statutes, and keep my commandments, and do them;
7 And ye shall chase your enemies, and they shall fall before you by the sword.
8 And five of you shall chase an hundred, and an hundred of you shall put ten thousand to flight: and your enemies shall fall before you by the sword.

How is this a prophecy? Do the Jews follow the Bible? The terrorism against Palestine is not over by a long shot.

You have yet to provide one source of proof. In many cultures of the world, those who were conquered have stated that they will take back their land; the Bible says that IF they follow the Bible they will get their land in return. The more I look into the Bible, the more it makes me think it was written by Jews, for Jews & that any non-Jew who believes this non-sense is a fuckin idiot.

 

[FunK-3-FivE]

another thing among christians that contradicts itself....
the bible sez not to worship idles, many christian religions seem to think this rule excludes the crucifix.

 

[A1Yola415]

http://www.sho.com/site/ptbs/topics.do?topic=bible

check out that small clip

 

[FunK-3-FivE]

@inferno: language is man...not god.

 

[inferno]

@inferno: language is man...not god.

On the contrair, Mufrair... I almost want to agree with ya, I think God created man and his ability to speak a language. If in reference to the speaking in tongue issue, theres plenty of scriptural support, as well as church history, recorded throughout the first through fifth centuries, the Medieval ages, The Reformation period etc... up to the present.

I appreciate your feedback though, insightful.

Please tell me you're joking. You believe that speaking in tongues is a prediction of events? HAHAHAHAHAHA... Speaking in tongues is not a prediction...people read the bible and blurt out a bunch of nonsense, or possibly another language (made-up or of the past). Then I guess the Bible predicted that little kids would speak in tongues, too (babbling). This is not remotely near proof of the Bible predicting events.

Joking, hmmmm. not yet anyways. Your opinions are laughable though. And this is more than enough proof that professed it would happen and it has and still is my friend.

Real scenario, Man prays only speaks english and he's speaking in tongues as the spirit of God gives him the utterance. Lady sits beside quietly praying and hears spanish from the english speaking gentleman. Lady tells man she heard him speak these words and translates whats said in spanish. What is said? God is worthy, I praise you etcc...

But like many claim that haven't experienced it, Its not authentic, etc..... God will never force himself on anyone.

This is the same claim EVERY indigenous group that has ever been invaded has claimed. If he said, "They will buyth the land back through the Jewish Trust Fun, not allow future sales to Arabs, and they will have the aid of the terrorist American state," then that is a prediction. What you have is a claim.

Come on you are kidding me right.

This claims Israel will be united (whoopty fuckin do) BUT also that the Christian Jesus/God will be their God...so do the Jews believe in Christianity nowadays?

Of course you know that they are still awaiting his first coming, Their rejection of him now is equivalent to it back then. It does not substantiate whether they are his people and he is their God based on their disbelief. It didn't then and doesn't now.

You have yet to provide one source of proof. In many cultures of the world, those who were conquered have stated that they will take back their land; the Bible says that IF they follow the Bible they will get their land in return. The more I look into the Bible, the more it makes me think it was written by Jews, for Jews & that any non-Jew who believes this non-sense is a fuckin idiot.

Niether will you disprove the biblical accounts. Gods word will stand period. Heaven and earth will pass away but my WORD shall not. And that I believe in him makes puts me in a win, win situation my friend, I can't loose out no matter how you slice it. The idiot statement above hmmmmmmm. well I give you a pass on that one. Seeing how it was so vague.

 

[FunK-3-FivE]

@inferno: the bible does have hebrew influence by the way. I would almost say that christianity is branched from judism.

 

[JLMACN]

I don't see how "blind faith" is an insult. JMAC will probably agree with me (maybe not but most people on this site eventually have) that faith is all he really has.

2-0-sixx.....
i can respect your opinion.....you are a Atheist....so its not suprising to hear your remarks...as much as it isnt surprising to you...to hear my beliefs as a believer of God....
.........Blind faith? no.....

the bible says...if we had faith as big as a mustard seed....we could move a mountain.......
.....*ill await your sarcasm*.....

does God come into my room and chill?.....no...
I pray to God....have conversations with him....
ask him things...
last night i prayed for you....comrade...
...that one-day you will understand like i do now...
.....i dont hate or judge you.....im sure if we met...we would get a long.......

yes christianity...is based on faith..almost all of your religions are...
........once when i was having doubt about whether god was "really" there or not....
....i was at a service....the preacher says...."i would rather believe in him and when i die...he isnt there....than NOT believe in him...and when i die....he exists".....

comrade....god be with you...

5000

 

[inferno]

@inferno: the bible does have hebrew influence by the way. I would almost say that christianity is branched from judism.

It was written in Aramic, Hebrew and Greek all of which Jesus knew. And that it was branched from Judiaism means ?

 

[2-0-Sixx]

2-0-sixx.....
i can respect your opinion.....you are a Atheist....so its not suprising to hear your remarks...

And I respect your opinion, comrade. Remember, we are just engaging in a conversation...nothing more.

.........Blind faith? no.....

the bible says...if we had faith as big as a mustard seed....we could move a mountain.......

"The way to see by faith is to shut the eye of reason." -Benjamin Franklin

"To embrace faith is to abandon reason."

"Faith: The commintment of one's consciousness to beliefs for which one has no sensory evidence or rational proof."

Faith is belief without, or in spite of, REASON.

Blind faith.

does God come into my room and chill?.....no...
I pray to God....have conversations with him....
ask him things...
last night i prayed for you....comrade...

I want to know in detail, comrade. How do you know he's talking to you?

"How does he talk to you? I want to know in detail. Do you chill in your room and you can hear a voice? Is it coming from inside your head? "

...that one-day you will understand like i do now...

I'd like to believe that one day you will understand as I do now.

.....i dont hate or judge you.....im sure if we met...we would get a long.......

We probably would.

yes christianity...is based on faith..almost all of your religions are...
........once when i was having doubt about whether god was "really" there or not....
....i was at a service....the preacher says...."i would rather believe in him and when i die...he isnt there....than NOT believe in him...and when i die....he exists".....

This argument is known as Pascal's Wager. It has several flaws. I've commented on it several times. Read below.

Pascal's Wager.

Firstly, it does not indicate which religion to follow. Indeed, there are many mutually exclusive and contradictory religions out there. This is often described as the "avoiding the wrong hell" problem. If a person is a follower of one religion, he may end up in another religion's version of hell.

Even if we assume that there's a God, that doesn't imply that there's one unique God. Which should we believe in? If we believe in all of them, how will we decide which commandments to follow?

Secondly, the statement that "If you believe in God and turn out to be incorrect, you have lost nothing" is not true. Suppose you're believing in the wrong God -- the true God might punish you for your foolishness. Consider also the deaths that have resulted from people rejecting medicine in favor of prayer.

Another flaw in the argument is that it is based on the assumption that the two possibilities are equally likely -- or at least, that they are of comparable likelihood. If, in fact, the possibility of there being a God is close to zero, the argument becomes much less persuasive. So sadly the argument is only likely to convince those who believe already.

Also, many feel that for intellectually honest people, belief is based on evidence, with some amount of intuition. It is not a matter of will or cost-benefit analysis.

Formally speaking, the argument consists of four statements:

-One does not know whether God exists.

-Not believing in God is bad for one's eternal soul if God does exist.

-Believing in God is of no consequence if God does not exist.

-Therefore it is in one's interest to believe in God.

There are two approaches to the argument. The first is to view Statement 1 as an assumption, and Statement 2 as a consequence of it. The problem is that there's really no way to arrive at Statement 2 from Statement 1 via simple logical inference. The statements just don't follow on from each other.

The alternative approach is to claim that Statements 1 and 2 are both assumptions. The problem with this is that Statement 2 is then basically an assumption which states the Christian position, and only a Christian will agree with that assumption. The argument thus collapses to "If you are a Christian, it is in your interests to believe in God" -- a rather vacuous tautology, and not the way Pascal intended the argument to be viewed.

Also, if we don't even know that God exists, why should we take Statement 2 over some similar assumption? Isn't it just as likely that God would be angry at people who chose to believe for personal gain? If God is omniscient, he will certainly know who really believes and who believes as a wager. He will spurn the latter... assuming he actually cares at all whether people truly believe in him.

Some have suggested that the person who chooses to believe based on Pascal's Wager, can then somehow make the transition to truly believing. Unfortunately, most atheists don't find it possible to make that leap.

In addition, this hypothetical God may require more than simple belief; almost all Christians believe that the Christian God requires an element of trust and obedience from his followers. That destroys the assertion that if you believe but are wrong, you lose nothing.

Finally, if this God is a fair and just God, surely he will judge people on their actions in life, not on whether they happen to believe in him. A God who sends good and kind people to hell is not one most atheists would be prepared to consider worshipping.

comrade....god be with you...

5000

May science be with you, comrade.