Christianity is stupid as fuck...

[RuThLeSs RiCk]

Absolutely not, the virgin Mary was simply a vessel used by God. The many you are referring to come from the study of catholicism or the catholic church.

Catholics are Christians...

Many hated, despised and thought that Jesus was blasphemouse because he mentioned he was the son of God. Therefore equating him with God in their eyes. The people at that time expected God to come in some magnificent glory and splendor, and when they saw the carpenter(Jesus) a lowly man. They thought he was crazy and showed their disbelief to him.

He was a lowly man. Not because he was a carpenter, but because he was a liar, or mentally insane.

To this day many still question his first coming. The key is in understanding the Godhead or the revelation of God being manifested in the flesh. Many doctrines will deny the deity of Christ, they will subdue him to a demigod or a great prophet.

Even the Jews don't believe Christ was divine.

Not quite true, the scriptures were not all written at the same time. Historical documentation will prove the chronological order so to speak. And the fact that the scriptures have endured its accuracy and has had no need for changing is enough in itself. Not to mention the countless principles, the endless amounts of guidance and direction it gives to every day life and need I remind you of the prophetical occurences mentioned that have all come to pass. That in itself is Masterful my friend. Find me another book that even tries to compare.

The 2 theories for how the books were written are that they were written together or written with knowledge of the previous book. That is why the passages are so similar. PROPHETICAL OCCURENCES??? NAME ONE!!! This is what the Bible did. They arranged hundreds of words/letters on pages. People took it upon themselves to combine these words with no pattern or sequence. Name one event the Bible predicted!

I have heard of the apocrypha and understand their were books that were supposedly added and lacked authenticity. The emphasis shall be placed on the word added.

Enoch came several hundred years BEFORE Christ. He is mentioned in the Bible.

More importantly, what about the fact that the bible say to forsake not the assembling of yourselves together? I mentioned Jesus was everywhere implying his Omnipresence, Everywhere present at the same time.I know many make the argument of living for God being a personal relationship between the individual and him. And I agree wholeheartedly, They however use it to show that they don't need the structure or instruction from a person appointed by God to minister to them.

You would know better than me if the Bible says this.

It remains comical to me that their is structure in everything we do in life to some degree or another. Teachers to teach in education, Doctors, lawyers even Police for protection etc.. But throw in God and the structure has to go out the door. Everyone and their mom has an opinion about God but few will draw the line, substantiated their belief with documentation or confirmation.

Can anybody supply proof to the existence of Christ or the authenticity of this illogical, unrpovable religion?

I don't need assistance, I dont need the church, I don't even need God. To each his own. God even loves you my friend, despite your lack of knowledge, comprehension and desire to know him. He will still come to knock on the door of your heart and question "now is it a good time for me to come in to your life?" No matter how much we deny we need him, we will still need him period. He is the perfect gentleman.

I'm not saying there is no possibility at all that there is a God...it is just not the Christian God that many speak of.

Many have already hated, showed their disbelief, were theist, atheist etc.. when he walked among them in times of old. He did mention it would continue long after he would be crucified.
So if they did it in his face when they had all the proof they needed, what more will this generation try when he isn't physically on the scene? Hmmmmmmmmmmm.

He said a lot of stupid shit. Tell me this isn't convenient...the Bible says that if a man says something and if it comes true, he is a true prophet. If he says something and it does not come true, he is not a true prophet...HMMMMMMM...So, any of their little lies that fails to pass is blamed on a false prophet...sounds good to me.

I don't agree with you but I can respect your misguided views.
Here is the info on the book of Enoch:

Genesis 5 mentions Enoch. Hebrews 11 answers one of Jude's questions, and it quotes Enoch. The brother of Jesus, James, also quotes Enoch. Enoch was Noah's grandfather. This text was believed to have survived the flood, but Christians have rejected the truth inside of it for many reasons. It was written hundreds of years before the birth of Christ. (More archaeologists and historians are finding evidence that proves Jesus did not even exist. This theory is becoming more accepted every day.) The book was concealed by the church for many years...why?

 

[haNk1]

the only thing i don't like about religion is that people generally base their beliefs off of it. that's completely ass backwards. you should base your religion off of your beliefs...if you really feel a need to have a religion that is.

 

[inferno]

Catholics are Christians...

Never implied they weren't, however they hold true to the belief of worshiping or praying to Mary and denying full deity to Christ.

He was a lowly man. Not because he was a carpenter, but because he was a liar, or mentally insane.

I mentioned he was lowly because the way he carried himself not because he was a carpenter, however this was a view they held to show disdain towards him. They limited him, denied him and the statement you made of him being a liar is not much different than what they told him then. That my friend is one thing that God can't do and that is lie.

Even the Jews don't believe Christ was divine.

The Jews were expecting someone to come overthrow the Romans and to this day they are looking for someone to do the same to the Arabs and Palestians

They will always be Gods chosen people he made a covenant with them and their denial is the reason God will try to come back and try to reach them again in the tribulation period.

The 2 theories for how the books were written are that they were written together or written with knowledge of the previous book. That is why the passages are so similar

To be quite honest the similarity that I've found by reading the bible is the harmony that it details. No passages to me are alike in that throughout the text, some substantiate others.

PROPHETICAL OCCURENCES??? NAME ONE!!!

This will be very difficult!!!! Okay lets see the Seventy Weeks of Daniel, cashless society, Mark of the Beast(Biochip on the market and in use already. Hmmmmmmmmmm. lets see the Messianic prophecies, THe promises to Isreal. I can go into great detail with this one, Historically, scripturally etcc...

People took it upon themselves to combine these words with no pattern or sequence. Name one event the Bible predicted!

If they did just as you said they seem to have done a great job. I can give you several promises, but lets start with the Old Testament and New Testament affirmation of speaking in tongues. Acts 2:38 the Book of Corinthians, Isaiah, etc.....

Researchers have tested and tried this to be a actual language with syllables and so on.

Enoch came several hundred years BEFORE Christ. He is mentioned in the Bible.

Never denied when he existed and I stated he was translated to heaven.

You would know better than me if the Bible says this./QUOTE]
My sentiments exactly.

Can anybody supply proof to the existence of Christ or the authenticity of this illogical, unrpovable religion?

Come on man, lets be real. The healings that I've witnessed, the deliverance from drugs, alchohol, the testomonies of many will suffice. However many will proclaim disbelief and like I stated previously, even when Jesus himself was on the scene, the people doubted every work performed before their eyes, skepticism is nothing new my friend. I guarntee you their are more that believe in him than not. Even Darwin in his last phase of life gave credibility of its authenticity, after all his years of not acknowledging it.

I'm not saying there is no possibility at all that there is a God...it is just not the Christian God that many speak of.

I will paraphrase a scripture once again man is forever learning yet coming to the knowledge of truth. You on your quest of knowledge have a small problem. You have a finite capablilty of understanding, Heres wisdom let her serenade you down the halls of truth. God is exactly who he proclaimed himself to be throughout the scriptures. Period

He said a lot of stupid shit.

I disagree, however you on the other hand have a long journey ahead to your plight to disprove Christianity. Many have come before you and none have been succesful thus far.
I will reiterate we are in a win, win situation. Can't loose believing in the Almighty.

Tell me this isn't convenient...the Bible says that if a man says something and if it comes true, he is a true prophet. If he says something and it does not come true, he is not a true prophet...HMMMMMMM...So, any of their little lies that fails to pass is blamed on a false prophet...sounds good to me.

Hmmmmm not following your logic, however the truth of the matter is there has always been prophets and God has no problem severing the authentic from the impostor.
I

don't agree with you but I can respect your misguided views.
Here is the info on the book of Enoch:

Niether do I agree with your opinions, or web pages that don't hold any water to disprove anything. However God even will still work with you, love you and deal with your finite understanding of Him.

Genesis 5 mentions Enoch. Hebrews 11 answers one of Jude's questions, and it quotes Enoch. The brother of Jesus, James, also quotes Enoch. Enoch was Noah's grandfather. This text was believed to have survived the flood, but Christians have rejected the truth inside of it for many reasons. It was written hundreds of years before the birth of Christ. (More archaeologists and historians are finding evidence that proves Jesus did not even exist. This theory is becoming more accepted every day.) The book was concealed by the church for many years...why?

Come on man the book of Enoch, Hmmmmmmmmm. what about the books the Mormon bible have that are evidence that Jesus was here in North America, I don't think so. Nice try. Theory yes, Jesus not existing lets continue on with this convo, I have plenty of evidence waiting for you. Christians not excepting this book, maybe their are some hidden secrets in their for us to prove God never existed, come on!

 

[RuThLeSs RiCk]

Never implied they weren't, however they hold true to the belief of worshiping or praying to Mary and denying full deity to Christ.

My point was that they are Christian and they pray to Mary...

I mentioned he was lowly because the way he carried himself not because he was a carpenter, however this was a view they held to show disdain towards him. They limited him, denied him and the statement you made of him being a liar is not much different than what they told him then. That my friend is one thing that God can't do and that is lie.
The Jews were expecting someone to come overthrow the Romans and to this day they are looking for someone to do the same to the Arabs and Palestians

I believe he was lowly because he was a liar, or mentally insane.

They will always be Gods chosen people he made a covenant with them and their denial is the reason God will try to come back and try to reach them again in the tribulation period.

When Gods chosen people don't even believe in him then there is a problem...

To be quite honest the similarity that I've found by reading the bible is the harmony that it details. No passages to me are alike in that throughout the text, some substantiate others.

I have seen passages that are almost exactly the same statement, but in different books. Only minor words are changed. You have not noticed this?

This will be very difficult!!!! Okay lets see the Seventy Weeks of Daniel, cashless society, Mark of the Beast(Biochip on the market and in use already. Hmmmmmmmmmm. lets see the Messianic prophecies, THe promises to Isreal. I can go into great detail with this one, Historically, scripturally etcc...

Quote one of these "prophecies" from the Bible. You are basing your information on the same pages I am telling you, which are filled with words/letters. People take any word from any position on the page and then put them together in any random order and claim that they are prophecies, which is bullshit. Give me ONE prophecy that is not obscurely stated, as the entire Bible is, or that is not from these pages of fiction.

If they did just as you said they seem to have done a great job. I can give you several promises, but lets start with the Old Testament and New Testament affirmation of speaking in tongues. Acts 2:38 the Book of Corinthians, Isaiah, etc.....

Researchers have tested and tried this to be a actual language with syllables and so on.

What does this mean?

Never denied when he existed and I stated he was translated to heaven.

You would know better than me if the Bible says this./QUOTE]
My sentiments exactly.

Come on man, lets be real. The healings that I've witnessed, the deliverance from drugs, alchohol, the testomonies of many will suffice. However many will proclaim disbelief and like I stated previously, even when Jesus himself was on the scene, the people doubted every work performed before their eyes, skepticism is nothing new my friend. I guarntee you their are more that believe in him than not. Even Darwin in his last phase of life gave credibility of its authenticity, after all his years of not acknowledging it.

Faith is a powerful thing. People can overcome these things with a belief inside themselves that there is a higher being working for them. As far as Jesus goes, there are more who DON'T believe in him than who do. You are forgetting that Christianity is not commonly found outside of Western Europe and the "AmeriKKKas," and now it is becoming more common for historians & archaeologists to tell the truth about Jesus, which is that he most likely was not even a real human being.

I will paraphrase a scripture once again man is forever learning yet coming to the knowledge of truth. You on your quest of knowledge have a small problem. You have a finite capablilty of understanding, Heres wisdom let her serenade you down the halls of truth. God is exactly who he proclaimed himself to be throughout the scriptures. Period

You are the one who makes these claims, yet you have no proof to back these claims.

I disagree, however you on the other hand have a long journey ahead to your plight to disprove Christianity. Many have come before you and none have been succesful thus far.
I will reiterate we are in a win, win situation. Can't loose believing in the Almighty.

Nobody has proved it, either. Logic in the mind of any human being can disprove the Bible. That is why the more educated a person is, the less likely they are to be Christian.

Hmmmmm not following your logic, however the truth of the matter is there has always been prophets and God has no problem severing the authentic from the impostor.
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Niether do I agree with your opinions, or web pages that don't hold any water to disprove anything. However God even will still work with you, love you and deal with your finite understanding of Him.

Not following my logic? The Bible says that if a man claims something and it comes to pass, he is a true prophet. If it doesn't pass, he is a false prophet. So, anything that is written in the Bible or said in real life that doesn't happen is blamed on a false prophet.

Come on man the book of Enoch, Hmmmmmmmmm. what about the books the Mormon bible have that are evidence that Jesus was here in North America, I don't think so. Nice try. Theory yes, Jesus not existing lets continue on with this convo, I have plenty of evidence waiting for you. Christians not excepting this book, maybe their are some hidden secrets in their for us to prove God never existed, come on!

The book of Mormon is unbelievably idiotic. I'd even have to give your Bible more credibility than that piece of junk.

The main thing I want from you is these Bible "prophecies" you speak of. Show me the passages, etc., from the Bible that have prophecized events in the real world.

 

[inferno]

anyways, Christians tend to be more strict and uptight.

I think you can attribute being one way or another to an individual based on more than their being Christian. There are many diverse characteristics that people have before they come to God. Whether they choose to adhere to the same behavioral patterns is up to them. The more a person gets closer to God in living for him, the more they can develop the character of Him.

but at the same time trying too hard in practicing a religion can have an adverse effect.

Too much of anything is not a good thing, but in the same breath I've never a person who has had too much of God in their life. I do understand the point being made, but if I would be consumed by anything by choice it would have to be him.

Born-agains can't look at women or curse? I mean what the #@!*

The fundamental view in living for God is to repent=180 degree turn in your life. If God is the judge of what he sees as beneficial to you living for him vs. how you want. It will be difficult to understand, comprehend etc.... why you should do this or that. He didn't really want to go to the cross and die for your sins either but he did. Most that feel like they have to give up anything for God will lean on their own understanding.

The conviction is difficult to deal with, no one wants regulation or the feeling that their flesh has to be under subjection. If I can just sin all I want and not have to be deal with the consequence then no God for me.

I've learned right from wrong and that's all that
matters

If that were true we would all be in good shape.

I'll admit that it is annoying when somebody attributes all success to God, but when they fail they don't question His existence. If you thank Him for everything good that happens then why not blame Him for your failures? It basically says that God is you when you succeed, but when you fail it's your own human doings? It's like no one wants to take credit for success. I be thanking God everyday that I'm alive, but I ultimately I have to do things on my own if I want to get somewhere. Having to rely

on God for everything gets you nowhere.
Well God is absolutely responsible for everything that happens to us. The bible say it rains on the just as well as the unjust. It also says their are consequences for our behavior as well as rewards. Our success is based solely on Gods plan for us lining with up with our faith. I know its hard to believe in him when you feel he doesn't come through for you but I promise you he will NEVER LEAVE YOU NOR FORSAKE YOU.

I've been there and done that. I ended up sittin on my ass all day waiting for something to happen and nothing ever happened. So I decided to use God just as moral guidance and nothing else.

Dont give up on him so easily, he hasn't given up on you. He still has a plan for you, he still is interested in you searching the depths of him, and he LOVES YOU DEARLY.

He loves all his children and we love him back.

 

[RuThLeSs RiCk]

Funny, every time it comes to showing proof people tend to stop posting...

 

[JLMACN]

^^^what do you want us to show you??....HOLD UP!!! *dials God*

"ay yo, God, this kid doesnt believe in you, i think you need to show yourself to him*

God- "well, right now im a little busy tryin to show my self to the other 5billion that dont believe i exsist either"

"oh, ok god, well maybe in due time"...
......................................................................

Im not gonna argue, about all this either.....Inferno did a good job explaing a lot of things...

Im not sure what bible you read, but i know your explaination (and 2-0-6's) about "believe in me or burn" is not totally true....
.........a lot of the times people read the book of Revelations and think they know the bible.......
....when in all honesty its one of the worst books you could read.....

throughout the bible...it talks about Jesus...from begining to end....

the reason why people say Jesus is God...is because in the bible it clearly states that ...."God, Jesus, Holy spirit" are 1......
.......thats where you get the father, son , holy ghost , .....
they are a trinity....

.........i just wanted to say that....

i hope one day you will realize like i did....that God is real....just like i did homie...
...................

the best way is to find a church...with a Good pastor (preacher).....and just listen....
you dont even have to participate....just go and listen...
............

2-0-sixx.........jesus loves you...

5000

 

[inferno]

@ JLMACN, good lookin out my friend for the support as well as your kind words.

.........a lot of the times people read the book of Revelations and think they know the bible.......
....when in all honesty its one of the worst books you could read.....throughout the bible...

I know the book of Revelations is a bit much for some people however, I agree its not the first book of the bible one should read. It speaks of alot of prophetical occcurences through the eyes of John.

It references the Vials being poured out, the rapture of the church, tribulation, millenial reign, great white throne judgement, beam of judgement Jesus giving up the role of the sonship etc... It can be a bit much to swallow, all the events and imagery to comprehend.

the reason why people say Jesus is God...is because in the bible it clearly states that ...."God, Jesus, Holy spirit" are 1..

Absolutely correct in your assesment, many scriptures will support this analysis.

.......thats where you get the father, son , holy ghost , .....they are a trinity....

Hmmmmm. not quite. Jesus was the Father in creation, the Son in redemption, and the Holy Spirit indwelling the hearts of man.

Just as I can be a Father to a child, yet still be a son to my parents as well as house a spirit on the inside. They were merely titles Jesus Held. They are not separate entities of a trinity. This doctrine of the trinity did not exist until Tertulian presented in almost 200 years A.D. This implies that The Father, Son, and Spirit are co-equal, co-eternal and so on. If they are separate and equal how could one be under subjection to another and yet still maintain equality? These were offices he held, nthing more, nothing less.

Understanding the dual nature of Christ is one of the problems people face. They figure since he was temporarily housed in flesh that he could not also be in heaven at the same time. One thing to note is he said Heaven was his throne and the earth was his footstool, implying his omnipresence. Everywhere present at the same time. Also the heavens could not contain him.

As a man he was born a baby as God he existed from Eternity as man he grew mentally, physically, spiritually etcc. But as God he never changed, As a man he was tempted by the devil as God he cast out devils, He hungered as man, but as God was the bread of life, he grew weary as a man and as God he gave rest, as man he didn't know all things as God he knew all things.

Ponder this as well if he was equal as in the trinity doctrine proclaims, then how could he pray to God if he was equal to him? Would this not make him less than, in subjection to etc.?

 

[JLMACN]

LOL @ ARE YOU GOD?...........LOL...

5000

 

[2-0-Sixx]

I never said I was giving up on Him. My point being is that I can't rely on God for things to come true. I can't just pray and ask for a google dollars and then let it happen in front of my face. It is ultimately my decison to do what I want. We all have free will to live and at the end I will be judged.

That’s a good mentality to have. So many Christians I know unfortunately say, “it’s not up to me…it’s up to god” and just let shit pass them by.

@JLMACN,

Have you seen god? Have you talked to him? How you know he exists, how you know jesus loves 2-0-Sixx?

 

[MizeryU]

"jesus loves you, this i know, for the bible tells me so"

 

[inferno]

Funny, every time it comes to showing proof people tend to stop posting...

Whats even funnier is how I thought I already gave proof but let me check to make sure.
Hmmmm. here it is

If they did just as you said they seem to have done a great job. I can give you several promises, but lets start with the Old Testament and New Testament affirmation of speaking in tongues. Acts 2:38 the Book of Corinthians, Isaiah, etc.....

Researchers have tested and tried this to be a actual language with syllables and so on.

What does this mean?

It means their was old testament prophecy of speaking in tongues with the affirmation on the day of Pentecost as well as in modern day times. Where they have tested it to be an unknown language with syllables. hence proof.
There have been occasions where and individual has prayed to god speaking in tongues. And the individual only speaks one language yet, their has been accounts while the person spoke in tongues, another individual could understand the person praying or praising God in their language.
(I Corinthians 14:21)
In the law it is written, With Men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that they will not hear me. saith the Lord.
(Acts 2:4)
And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues as the spirit gave them the utterance.(Acts 10:46)
For they heard them speak with tongues and magnify God.
What is the reason for one speaking in tongues aside from the bible saying it is a sign to the unbeliever of a person having the spirit of God in them.
(1 Corinthians 14:22)
Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth no for them that believe not, but for them which believe.

1. Jacobs descendants regaining control of Israel (Amos 9:14,15)
2. The people of Israel being a united people again.(Ezekiel 37:15,19)
3. Israels army being disproportionatly powerful(Leviticus26:3,7-8)
The list goes on and I can go into detail with these later but hisory also provides insight to these truths.

The funniest thing is it really doesn't matter how much proof you show an unbeliever. He could see God face to face and still says he needs more proof. Like I said before skepticism is nothing new.

 

[JLMACN]

That’s a good mentality to have. So many Christians I know unfortunately say, “it’s not up to me…it’s up to god” and just let shit pass them by.

@JLMACN,

Have you seen god? Have you talked to him? How you know he exists, how you know jesus loves 2-0-Sixx?

2-0-sixx......

i answer your questions with this....
......no one can see god....
...he is to perfect for us to see him.....one man saw god...and went blind....Moses saw his back while in the moutains...and grew very old....

...yes i have talked to him....i know he exists casue he talks back...and answers my prayers...
i know Jesus loves 2-0-sixx cause he died on the cross for you...and for me...and for everyone....on the siccness.....

.....its not a fairytale...although i know your hardened heart wishes it was.....it is true....science even says he existed.....you should watch a show on the Discovery channel called "scientifically prving the bible"....
they are scientist...that prove happenings in the bible....
its a awesome show...

...........

you think science can explain everything....but they can not...


Inferno.....

one of my biggest problems is the speaking in tonges issue.....
i grew up in a penticostle church....and it was like ...you had to speak in tongues to be considered...a person of god....
.....by reading about speaking in tongues i believe what god is tryin to say...is ....someone filled with the spirit should always be able to translate....

i think people miss use speaking in tongues as a whole...

through my experience...

......5000

 

[L Mac-a-docious]

If god is too perfect, then how could we have imperfections, assuming we were created in gods image?

 

[JLMACN]

If god is too perfect, then how could we have imperfections, assuming we were created in gods image?

we have free will to live how we please....
.....God did create us to be perfect....but...Adam and Eve messed that up for everyone...
.......

"We all fall short of the glory of God"

^^^meaning....no one will ever be perfect..

5000

 

[A1Yola415]

i suggest u guys watch that show "bullshit" with pen and teller where they debunk a bunch of myths, one of the episodes dealt with the bible, it was hilarious and enough to turn anyone away from christianity

 

[MizeryU]

whatever you say A1Yola

 

[JLMACN]

did they ever exist? I always thought of that as just a moral story. Scientifically, if they were the first human beings, then they were very evolved and developed for their time.

yes they existed...
......scientifically....if we came from Apes....then we would see....aleast on...Ape...that talks...or something.....

or we can go with the ...."big boom" theory....
well scientifically.....this world shouldnt be what it is today....if that really happen....have you ever seen any life come out of a big bomb?....
.....

science sometimes...makes no sense ...what-so-ever...
.....

A1yola....
...ii would give up the comiedian life....

5000

 

[MizeryU]

practically the whole OLD Testiment is symbol stories that teach us life lessons
adam n eve are just a symbol that shows that there is some bad in all lof us(we're born with original sin)

and we did NOT come from apes but we do share a COMMON ANCESTOR with them

 

[L Mac-a-docious]

yes they existed...
......scientifically....if we came from Apes....then we would see....aleast on...Ape...that talks...or something.....

or we can go with the ...."big boom" theory....
well scientifically.....this world shouldnt be what it is today....if that really happen....have you ever seen any life come out of a big bomb?....
.....

science sometimes...makes no sense ...what-so-ever...


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What about Ko Ko the gorilla doing sign language...or the new plant life that is made stronger and fuller after a forrest is burnt to the ground...science does have methodology for proving these things...religion can only try to convince with semantics, and a book.