Chavez challenges Bush to fight, calls him a Donkey & A coward (video)
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So the US didn't try to bomb Vietnam into submission? Do you know how many bombs were dropped in Vietnam???
FYI,
The US dropped over 8 million tons of bombs on Vietnam between 1965 and 1973. This was over three times the amount of bombs dropped throughout the entire WWII. No other war in the history of mankind has seen this amount of bombs.
Venezuela is like Vietnam in many ways in that the region has dense forests and jungles. In addition, Venezuela has been building vast underground tunnels, inspired by the North Vietnamese. Venezuela has a large military and has been buying new weapons, planes, boats, etc. They also have civilian militias (armed communities all across the country) that are estimated to be over two million strong. The Venezuelans in general are a very proud country, much like the Vietnamese. In a recent poll, they were ranked number two, slightly behind the US for first place.
FYI,
The US dropped over 8 million tons of bombs on Vietnam between 1965 and 1973. This was over three times the amount of bombs dropped throughout the entire WWII. No other war in the history of mankind has seen this amount of bombs.
Venezuela is like Vietnam in many ways in that the region has dense forests and jungles. In addition, Venezuela has been building vast underground tunnels, inspired by the North Vietnamese. Venezuela has a large military and has been buying new weapons, planes, boats, etc. They also have civilian militias (armed communities all across the country) that are estimated to be over two million strong. The Venezuelans in general are a very proud country, much like the Vietnamese. In a recent poll, they were ranked number two, slightly behind the US for first place.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,205882,00.html
If you bomb them you can expect to get bombed back or you can expect them to bring the war to the us in the form of some type of domestic attack.
If you bomb them you can expect to get bombed back or you can expect them to bring the war to the us in the form of some type of domestic attack.
Look for the most part I agree with you, if the US sent ground forces after softening up their defences from bobming them, then yes they would still have a fight on their hands.
However, as I said before, I don't think the US is dumb enough to get in another ground war. Iraq has been devestating for the US in regards to military dead and global outcry, imagine they hit up venezuela anytime soon?
It woked against Yugoslavia and I think it will work with Venezuela.
Also I would not be suprised if they persueded another country to attack them for them or cause an uprising, I know If I was US and I had to attack them, this would be the path I would take. Like Afganistan, supply and train the shit out of them (but not too much or you get another taliban hehe).
However, as I said before, I don't think the US is dumb enough to get in another ground war. Iraq has been devestating for the US in regards to military dead and global outcry, imagine they hit up venezuela anytime soon?
It woked against Yugoslavia and I think it will work with Venezuela.
Also I would not be suprised if they persueded another country to attack them for them or cause an uprising, I know If I was US and I had to attack them, this would be the path I would take. Like Afganistan, supply and train the shit out of them (but not too much or you get another taliban hehe).
Right, but they can't just bomb Venezuela and that's it. If war was that simple then that's all they would have done in Vietnam. Obviously all the bombs in the world didn’t stop the Vietnamese. Of course you could use atom bombs, but that’s out of the question because of the repercussions that would have on the US.
If you’re trying to defeat your enemy, which is to completely wipe out or transform their government, you’re eventually going to have to invade. You can cripple their country by dropping bombs, but in the long run that will only strengthen your enemy. Chavez is already a hero across latin amerika, just imagine what would happen if the US started dropping bombs on them. Revolution would spread like wild fire.
Listen comrade, my original statement was that there is no way the US could win an invasion of Venezuela. You said that they could bomb them into submission, which IMO is not possible (look at Vietnam). If I’m not mistaken, we now both agree on this.
I never said they would either, it would be idiotic. But for Chavez and to the Venezuelans it’s not that far-fetched considering the US led a failed coup to overthrow Chavez in 2002.
What worked with Yugoslavia?
I don't think any country in the world could have a successful invasion against them either.
Afghanistan isn't the best example comrade. The Taliban is still runnin shit in major parts of the country but I know what you're saying. My only point is that they couldn't invade successfully.
If you’re trying to defeat your enemy, which is to completely wipe out or transform their government, you’re eventually going to have to invade. You can cripple their country by dropping bombs, but in the long run that will only strengthen your enemy. Chavez is already a hero across latin amerika, just imagine what would happen if the US started dropping bombs on them. Revolution would spread like wild fire.
Listen comrade, my original statement was that there is no way the US could win an invasion of Venezuela. You said that they could bomb them into submission, which IMO is not possible (look at Vietnam). If I’m not mistaken, we now both agree on this.
I never said they would either, it would be idiotic. But for Chavez and to the Venezuelans it’s not that far-fetched considering the US led a failed coup to overthrow Chavez in 2002.
What worked with Yugoslavia?
I don't think any country in the world could have a successful invasion against them either.
Afghanistan isn't the best example comrade. The Taliban is still runnin shit in major parts of the country but I know what you're saying. My only point is that they couldn't invade successfully.
I agree they would have to invade, but going by what I was saying, they would get another country to do the nitty gritty. So the role US would play is supply, train, support, co-ordinate, plus massive aireal bombardment. The chosen (most likey its own people who created a seperatitst state for example) or another country will send ground forces.
I know this is hypothetical but I don't believe it to be unrealistic.
And I do see your point about Venezeula using it their advantage, the US control of the media around the world cannot shield itself anymore, let alone in a country it is bombing.
They were bombed into submission, Milosovic gave up after seeing what US can do from the air, he did a good thing and spared his people alot of death.
Not if Russia is going to start supplying them (as they have been), that would really make things alot harder. However if there was a war and US & Russia were both supplying opposite countries, I know whos side I'd wanna be on.
I know this is hypothetical but I don't believe it to be unrealistic.
And I do see your point about Venezeula using it their advantage, the US control of the media around the world cannot shield itself anymore, let alone in a country it is bombing.
They were bombed into submission, Milosovic gave up after seeing what US can do from the air, he did a good thing and spared his people alot of death.
Not if Russia is going to start supplying them (as they have been), that would really make things alot harder. However if there was a war and US & Russia were both supplying opposite countries, I know whos side I'd wanna be on.
LOL.....You live in fantasy land.
You’re the one that believes every single bizarre conspiracy theory you lay your eyes on and you're saying I make no sense?? I make perfect sense. This little political circle you got here is like bizarro world on acid. You have proven nothing, all you have are a bunch of ideas that are abnormal at best about the world and how it works. Its funny to me you say im unable to form original thoughts of my own but yet you believe like all the other leftwing kooks that geroge bush flew airplanes into the WTC's and the Pentegon how original is that?? do you believe the US never landed on the Moon either? im sure you do. You make opinions on why the US does shit and post them as fact. The only thing you have "proven" is that you're an extreme leftwing blogger that loves the idea that America is "evil" so you go out of your way to spread insane shit to make your self feel that much better at the end of the day.
You’re the one that believes every single bizarre conspiracy theory you lay your eyes on and you're saying I make no sense?? I make perfect sense. This little political circle you got here is like bizarro world on acid. You have proven nothing, all you have are a bunch of ideas that are abnormal at best about the world and how it works. Its funny to me you say im unable to form original thoughts of my own but yet you believe like all the other leftwing kooks that geroge bush flew airplanes into the WTC's and the Pentegon how original is that?? do you believe the US never landed on the Moon either? im sure you do. You make opinions on why the US does shit and post them as fact. The only thing you have "proven" is that you're an extreme leftwing blogger that loves the idea that America is "evil" so you go out of your way to spread insane shit to make your self feel that much better at the end of the day.
Homie, we have at LEAST five threads in this forum alone with you being RIPPED by SEVERAL people (me being one of them.) You have YET to make a substantial contribution to this forum, and I have YET to see you actually answer a question posed to you.
No, I don't believe ANY conspiracy theory. THAT is what you fail to realize. YOU are the one who believes the conspiracy theories pal. You believe 19 men hi-jacked planes with box cutters, crashed them into buildings and did it in the name of islam. THAT is the conspiracy theory.
LMAO!!!!!!!!!
What political circle?
Thanks for at LEAST giving me that much credit, but I am sorry I am not able to reciprocate in like fashion. See, when it comes to your ideas, they are unoriginal, lack cohesiveness, are not intelligent, are not thought provoking, and have the uncanny effect of causing people to openly mock and ridicule you.
Members of this board who have a history of reading and posting in these forums know of my position regarding the america being attacked BEFORE and AFTER 9-11. Your bad for being a johnny come lately.
If they did or didn't why should my beliefs matter to you? See, thats your problem, junior. Instead of being concerned with what I may or may not think, you should be concerned with educating yourself instead of furthering your career as a nut-stained sock puppet.
I'll be glad to laugh at your expense. Can you list a couple of instances where I have done this? Btw, what do you pass your opinions off as?
And the only thing you have proven is that you're an uneducated crumb who claims to come from the ghetto, claims to have been incarcerated, can't formulate an original thought, constantly fails to answer the questions addressed to him, and is an extreme rightwing blogger that loves the idea that America is so "good"--that you go out of your way to spread insane shit to make yourself feel that much better at the end of the day.
Please...stop posting.
No, I don't believe ANY conspiracy theory. THAT is what you fail to realize. YOU are the one who believes the conspiracy theories pal. You believe 19 men hi-jacked planes with box cutters, crashed them into buildings and did it in the name of islam. THAT is the conspiracy theory.
LMAO!!!!!!!!!
What political circle?
Thanks for at LEAST giving me that much credit, but I am sorry I am not able to reciprocate in like fashion. See, when it comes to your ideas, they are unoriginal, lack cohesiveness, are not intelligent, are not thought provoking, and have the uncanny effect of causing people to openly mock and ridicule you.
Members of this board who have a history of reading and posting in these forums know of my position regarding the america being attacked BEFORE and AFTER 9-11. Your bad for being a johnny come lately.
If they did or didn't why should my beliefs matter to you? See, thats your problem, junior. Instead of being concerned with what I may or may not think, you should be concerned with educating yourself instead of furthering your career as a nut-stained sock puppet.
I'll be glad to laugh at your expense. Can you list a couple of instances where I have done this? Btw, what do you pass your opinions off as?
And the only thing you have proven is that you're an uneducated crumb who claims to come from the ghetto, claims to have been incarcerated, can't formulate an original thought, constantly fails to answer the questions addressed to him, and is an extreme rightwing blogger that loves the idea that America is so "good"--that you go out of your way to spread insane shit to make yourself feel that much better at the end of the day.
Please...stop posting.
Right, but even with a massive aerial bombardment by the US, there needs to be ground troops. Whether its US troops or not, the invasion would fail.
First, the air strikes:
You have to remember that during Vietnam, all the US Air Force generals said that their bombers would wipe out the Viet Cong, without the need for any ground forces. Of course this wasn’t the case and after 50,000+ dead amerikan troops, we still couldn’t wipe them out.
The same attitude existed before the Iraq war. US Air Force Generals said that air power was all that was needed to subdue any resistance in Iraq. They claimed that the attack in the spring of 2003 would begin with Operation Shock and Awe, and victory would be swift and total immediately following. We see how well that went.
History shows us time and time again that air power doesn't win wars, or even battles. Even in Germany in WWII the Americans and the British were to bomb the hell out of Germany and to kill a million Germans and paralyze their industrial production. Yes, the Allies' bombs killed many Germans, not a million, but war production actually increased and the bombs strengthened German morale and hatred of the enemy.
Even currently in Lebanon, Israel has the same mentality of the generals of the past, holding the belief that bombing is all that it necessary to subdue their enemy. However all it is doing is efficiently uniting all Lebanese in hating Israel, while being an effective propagandist for Hezbollah.
Next, the ground troops:
Whether it’s US or foreign troops, there is no way a successful invasion could occur. Venezuela is home of a wide variety of landscapes; you’ve got the Andes mountains in the northwest, the Guiana Highlands in the south, and northern Amazon Basin, which is very dense rainforest.
The Venezuelan military consists of anywhere from 100,000-200,000 individuals, plus as I mentioned before there are armed militias throughout that country that has been estimated over two million strong, and the people are strapped (1 in 3 Venezuelan’s own a gun, in addition, the government has been arming these militias as well).
Much like Vietnam, Venezuela has an advanced underground tunnel system specifically designed for an invasion. This was vital for the Vietnamese and is one of the main reasons the US could not win the war.
They also have been buying fighter jets, helicopters, 100,000+ AK’s from Russia, boats, missiles, and other weaponry. After the last of the 100,000 AK’s are sent from Russia, Russia plans to build several factories in Venezuela so they can start producing their own AK’s.
An invasion from any country would only unite the Venezuelan people even more and would draw support and soldiers/guerilla fighters from neighboring countries Brazil and Columbia, as well as from all over Latin America. The people love Chavez all throughout L.A.
The Croatian War was not simply ended because of US air strikes. It was a combination of events, including massive ground attacks (See Croatia's Operation Storm) that led to the end of the war.
Who’s side?
All of this is hypothetical of course, my only point is to demonstrate that an invasion wouldn't be a cake walk.
First, the air strikes:
You have to remember that during Vietnam, all the US Air Force generals said that their bombers would wipe out the Viet Cong, without the need for any ground forces. Of course this wasn’t the case and after 50,000+ dead amerikan troops, we still couldn’t wipe them out.
The same attitude existed before the Iraq war. US Air Force Generals said that air power was all that was needed to subdue any resistance in Iraq. They claimed that the attack in the spring of 2003 would begin with Operation Shock and Awe, and victory would be swift and total immediately following. We see how well that went.
History shows us time and time again that air power doesn't win wars, or even battles. Even in Germany in WWII the Americans and the British were to bomb the hell out of Germany and to kill a million Germans and paralyze their industrial production. Yes, the Allies' bombs killed many Germans, not a million, but war production actually increased and the bombs strengthened German morale and hatred of the enemy.
Even currently in Lebanon, Israel has the same mentality of the generals of the past, holding the belief that bombing is all that it necessary to subdue their enemy. However all it is doing is efficiently uniting all Lebanese in hating Israel, while being an effective propagandist for Hezbollah.
Next, the ground troops:
Whether it’s US or foreign troops, there is no way a successful invasion could occur. Venezuela is home of a wide variety of landscapes; you’ve got the Andes mountains in the northwest, the Guiana Highlands in the south, and northern Amazon Basin, which is very dense rainforest.
The Venezuelan military consists of anywhere from 100,000-200,000 individuals, plus as I mentioned before there are armed militias throughout that country that has been estimated over two million strong, and the people are strapped (1 in 3 Venezuelan’s own a gun, in addition, the government has been arming these militias as well).
Much like Vietnam, Venezuela has an advanced underground tunnel system specifically designed for an invasion. This was vital for the Vietnamese and is one of the main reasons the US could not win the war.
They also have been buying fighter jets, helicopters, 100,000+ AK’s from Russia, boats, missiles, and other weaponry. After the last of the 100,000 AK’s are sent from Russia, Russia plans to build several factories in Venezuela so they can start producing their own AK’s.
An invasion from any country would only unite the Venezuelan people even more and would draw support and soldiers/guerilla fighters from neighboring countries Brazil and Columbia, as well as from all over Latin America. The people love Chavez all throughout L.A.
The Croatian War was not simply ended because of US air strikes. It was a combination of events, including massive ground attacks (See Croatia's Operation Storm) that led to the end of the war.
Who’s side?
All of this is hypothetical of course, my only point is to demonstrate that an invasion wouldn't be a cake walk.
