Chargers are tanking already?

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how is it tanking? look at it from a business side.....edwards is old by nfl standards. he's been trying to get more money for 3 seasons now, he is a free agent after this season and is seeking a long term deal. at 33 or 34 yrs old he aint gonna get it, at least not here....so why let him walk away as a free agent next season if you could get something for him now? rumor is that minnesota is willing to give up a second rounder for him, given the scenarios i would take that move in a min.


also it is important to note that the move will not be made if it isnt attractive!!
 
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I understand them tryin to get something for him, but with how much they will be hurting on Offense this year they need all the D help they can get and he brings a stability and leadership that a free agent or rookie can't bring. You get rid of him for a draft pick and you have a D going downhill just like the offense. Now I am all for this trade as a Broncos fan. I still am scratching my head as to why they are going in with Rivers after watching what Denvers D did to him last game of the season with alot of 2nd teamers.
 
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I understand them tryin to get something for him, but with how much they will be hurting on Offense this year QUOTE]

why are you so convinced that they are going to be hurting so bad on offense? yeah i saw what the broncos did to him last season, but i also saw them do the same thing to brees in the same game........dont get me wrong i dont want to see donnie edwards go, he's a hometown boy and has had a solid career...i just dont wont be mad at the move and dont think the whole defense is going downhill if he leaves.
 
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ESCOBAR 92113 said:
thascary1 said:
I understand them tryin to get something for him, but with how much they will be hurting on Offense this year QUOTE]

why are you so convinced that they are going to be hurting so bad on offense? yeah i saw what the broncos did to him last season, but i also saw them do the same thing to brees in the same game........dont get me wrong i dont want to see donnie edwards go, he's a hometown boy and has had a solid career...i just dont wont be mad at the move and dont think the whole defense is going downhill if he leaves.
The offense is going to go downhill because everyone will be stacking the box stopping LT forcing Rivers to throw. Now of course noone will stop LT all game long. he will still be getting his, but he will not be the threat he has been the past 2-3 years. He will still be good for 1500 and 15 td's but that's it (good numbers but not typical LT numbers). Gates numbers will go down down, and with all the turnovers I see Rivers doing that Defense is going to get tired and ran on all day.

Rivers may be good one day but this year is going to SUCK for him and the chargers, and as we have seen in the NFL lately 1 year is hard to overcome. Free agents will turn them down, even teammates will leave for more money or better teams.

I hope I am wrong because I would rather see the Chargers do good rather than KC or Oakland, but I think it will be hard for them this year (and the next few afterwards)
 
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i see what you are saying, i dont think the drop off will be that big....the chargers will protect rivers with quick routes and dump offs....rivers has been in the league for 3yrs he knows the system so that wont be a problem he'll have difficulty reading defenses which is a gimmie but a soft schedule will help out.....we'll see what happens
 
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Chargers' QB call is right on the money

By Jeff Reynolds
April 10, 2006


Midway through his second NFL season, scouts, fans and Drew Brees himself were trying to figure out if the undersized quarterback had a place in the league.

Seems silly right about now, what with Brees bouncing from San Diego to New Orleans, where he’ll cash a contract worth as much as $60 million. Brees came to the Saints with much fanfare. He’s the first quarterback to be available in free agency after winning as many as 20 games in the previous two seasons combined. Only Manning, Brady, Roethlisberger and Plummer won as much in the last two years.

But the Chargers were left with little choice when faced with signing Brees to a long-term deal or turn the team over to 2004 fourth overall pick Philip Rivers. Brees, who has staples in his right shoulder for support after tearing the labrum in this throwing shoulder in Week 17, had kept Rivers buried on the bench during Rivers’ first two seasons. It wasn’t until Brees’ injury that Rivers was exposed to the life of a first-string quarterback.

The numbers — 12-of-22, 115 yards, one interception — in that game say it didn’t go swimmingly. The Chargers believe Rivers was a long way from sinking.

Before Brees compiled a 51-22 TD-to-INT ratio in 2004-05, he was just doing enough to skim by for San Diego. In his first game action, Nov. 4, 2001, against Kansas City, Brees was 15-of-27 with one touchdown (20 yards to Freddie Jones in a 25-20 loss).

No, first starts aren’t any foolproof indication of success in this pass-fail league. But humble beginnings can quickly become fairy-tale success stories in the NFL.

For comparison's sake, consider what Brees had as a supporting cast in 2001, when he played in only the one regular-season game vs. the Chiefs. A rookie halfback in LaDainian Tomlinson and veterans Curtis Conway and Jeff Graham at wide receiver on a 5-11 team. As the team improved around Brees, with additions at tight end (Antonio Gates), wide receiver (Keenan McCardell) and left tackle (Roman Oben), so did the numbers he was generating.

Rivers doesn’t have to be John Elway. Not just yet. Remember, Brees did have the benefit of getting the ball to Tomlinson 390 times each season and tossed it to Gates 170 times over the past two seasons. If Rivers can squeeze 20 points per game out of this offense, the defense — which gave up 19.5 points on average last year and should be improved once again — will have his back.

Rivers knows this feeling of being the second guy all too well. He went to North Carolina State to be a backup. But shortly after he arrived — before the second practice, as then-offensive coordinator Norm Chow tells it — he was atop the depth chart. He was 8-4 as a freshman.

The Chargers saw in Rivers what was evident in Brees when then-GM John Butler traded back — giving up the top pick, which was essentially the Michael Vick lottery ticket — to draft the passer in the second round of the 2001 draft. Leadership, toughness and intelligence. Head coach Marty Schottenheimer loved Brees, but it was Schottenheimer’s hands-on experience with Rivers at the 2004 Senior Bowl that led the Chargers to dupe the Giants in the Eli Manning Giveaway that ultimately brought OLB Shawne Merriman in 2005 (drafted with the first-round pick the Giants traded to the Chargers on Draft Day ’04).

And scouts say Rivers has the potential to be a better passer than Brees. His quick release can help the pass protection — Rivers has been sacked four times in 30 career attempts — but offensive coordinator Cam Cameron will adjust the offense to suit his other strengths. In terms of size and arm strength, Rivers outclasses Brees, who is five inches shorter and 20 pounds lighter.

GM A.J. Smith was encouraged by the way Rivers responded to clipboard duty over the past two seasons. Rivers could have been a divisive diva typical of today’s athlete. The coach’s kid kept his mouth shut — all the while Brees was first-class, as well — and waited for this chance. It’s exactly what you want from your leader.

It’s that kind of response, the reaction to the unexpected and unrehearsed, scouts look for to see if a quarterback can be special. Smith isn’t the only scout who believes the Chargers still have the right quarterback for the job.
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