the NF wouldn't even waste their time with people who don't know the historia, like Mr.Vinn said this thread has gone out of control and hella funny. Damn Grimy, you said we have a wrong perspective you real surenos, tu tambien guey. Lot's of nortenos keep it bald, dickies saggin or pulled up, and a plain white T or a red shirt, or white t with levis and a pano rojo hanging out. Most of what you described are nortenos de la bahia, most vatos in the West and A little bit of the east bay dress like that, in the south bay, deep east bay, and the valle nortenos tend to keep it old school, Mongolian, Bald or Faded, White or Red T even Brown, with Charlie Boys, Ben Davis', or Dickies, and locz either on top of the head or behind the head.