Can someone escape hell???
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Are you serious heresy? This is one of the first times that you're hopelessly wrong; maybe you're just disagreeing for the sake of disagreeing but,
Definition:
"Sheol (שאול
is the Hebrew language word denoting the 'abode of the dead'; the 'underworld', 'the common grave of mankind' or pit"..
And punishment for a year does not equate "Hell", theoretically Hell is eternal.. The whole fire and brimstone concept evolved from the garbage pits outside the gates of Jerusalem where garbage and sulfur continuously caught on fire... Like I said, Hell doesn't exist..
Definition:
"Sheol (שאול
is the Hebrew language word denoting the 'abode of the dead'; the 'underworld', 'the common grave of mankind' or pit"..And punishment for a year does not equate "Hell", theoretically Hell is eternal.. The whole fire and brimstone concept evolved from the garbage pits outside the gates of Jerusalem where garbage and sulfur continuously caught on fire... Like I said, Hell doesn't exist..
Difference between the Old and the New testament.. The word "Hades" doesn't appear once in the Old Testament, showing you that obviously the Greeks had no word for Sheol, and the word Hades was in use before the New scriptures were even written. This is just a question of translation, not concepts..
THIS IS WHY I DIDN'T CONTINUE THE RELIGIOUS DEBATE IN THE OTHER THREAD. YOU HAVE YET TO UNDERSTAND THE INTERACTIONS BETWEEN THE JEWS DURING THE TIME OF YESHUA!!! AT THAT TIME, THE JEWS SPOKE GREEK AND ARAMAIC, SOME EVEN THE ANCIENT HEBREW!!! JESUS WAS NEVER A NAME IN THE OLD TESTAMENT, BUT IF YOU LOOK AT YEHOSHUA, YAHSHUA, YESHUA, IT MEANS GOD'S SALVATION, AND YOU COULD SEE GOD'S SALVATION OR THE TERM THERE OF IN THE BOOKS OF THE OLD TESTAMENT. Example Read Psalms 37:39
If you look for translations without the concepts of it's meaning, then you have no point in going further in this debate.
Yes I am serious.
Nope.
No.
Sheol is a "state" or "condition". QEBER is the word for a grave/location. Look it up if you want.
You are incorrect. Here, let us go and read what I said, and let us do it S-L-O-W-L-Y.
What I am showing you is despite your misconceptions and lack of knowledge, the jewish people DID have a concept of a PLACE OF PUNISHMENT that one went to AFTER death. Why you are telling me that punishment for a year does not equate, "hell" is beyond me.
http://www.religionfacts.com/judaism/beliefs/afterlife.htm
Actually this is incorrect. Again, an in depth study into Judaism and the afterlife will show that they believe the soul would be utterly destroyed if it were not purged after the 12 month period. Here is an excerpt from that link:
Read a bit more, bro.
Nope.
No.
Definition:
"Sheol (שאול is the Hebrew language word denoting the 'abode of the dead'; the 'underworld', 'the common grave of mankind' or pit"..
"Sheol (שאול
is the Hebrew language word denoting the 'abode of the dead'; the 'underworld', 'the common grave of mankind' or pit"..
You are incorrect. Here, let us go and read what I said, and let us do it S-L-O-W-L-Y.
What I am showing you is despite your misconceptions and lack of knowledge, the jewish people DID have a concept of a PLACE OF PUNISHMENT that one went to AFTER death. Why you are telling me that punishment for a year does not equate, "hell" is beyond me.
http://www.religionfacts.com/judaism/beliefs/afterlife.htm
Actually this is incorrect. Again, an in depth study into Judaism and the afterlife will show that they believe the soul would be utterly destroyed if it were not purged after the 12 month period. Here is an excerpt from that link:
Read a bit more, bro.
ParkBoyz said:
Are you serious heresy? This is one of the first times that you're hopelessly wrong; maybe you're just disagreeing for the sake of disagreeing but,
Definition:
"Sheol (שאול is the Hebrew language word denoting the 'abode of the dead'; the 'underworld', 'the common grave of mankind' or pit"..
And punishment for a year does not equate "Hell", theoretically Hell is eternal.. The whole fire and brimstone concept evolved from the garbage pits outside the gates of Jerusalem where garbage and sulfur continuously caught on fire... Like I said, Hell doesn't exist..
Definition:
"Sheol (שאול
is the Hebrew language word denoting the 'abode of the dead'; the 'underworld', 'the common grave of mankind' or pit"..And punishment for a year does not equate "Hell", theoretically Hell is eternal.. The whole fire and brimstone concept evolved from the garbage pits outside the gates of Jerusalem where garbage and sulfur continuously caught on fire... Like I said, Hell doesn't exist..
ps. you are wrong.
Um, ok, if you have nothing to back up your statement calm down.. Heresy didn't ask for any cheer leaders and I doubt he needs them.. Besides, it isn't an argument, just had to correct him for being wrong..
@ Heresy
Yes I am serious.
^No way!
Nope.
You are wrong bro..
No.
Yea, ok..
Sheol is a "state" or "condition". QEBER is the word for a grave/location. Look it up if you want.
No one ever said anything about a grave/location. .. I said Sheol translates to "the common grave of mankind", if you disagree with that then you're delusional and just feel like arguing. I gave you the definition, you can look it up anywhere and it will say the same thing. A "state" or "condition"? Maybe you're losing your mind heresy, Sheol is a noun.. This is common knowledge for anyone claiming to know scripture and I didn't even need wikipedia or answer.com to tell you that. For the sake of argument I'll post the link though..
Sheol
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheol
You are incorrect. Here, let us go and read what I said, and let us do it S-L-O-W-L-Y.
Quote:
and an in depth study of Judaism will show you that they DID believe in a place of PUNISHMENT, but that it was only for a year.
What I am showing you is despite your misconceptions and lack of knowledge, the jewish people DID have a concept of a PLACE OF PUNISHMENT that one went to AFTER death. Why you are telling me that punishment for a year does not equate, "hell" is beyond me.
http://www.religionfacts.com/judaism.../afterlife.htm
What you are showing me is your ability to nit pick and use Straw Man arguments that are irrelevant to what I originally said. Hell is a made up English word describing an eternity of pain and suffering. Obviously it wasn't called hell in Hebrew..
Actually this is incorrect. Again, an in depth study into Judaism and the afterlife will show that they believe the soul would be utterly destroyed if it were not purged after the 12 month period. Here is an excerpt from that link:
Wow, we have a lack of communication here.. When did you lose your comprehension skills heresy? I'm not talking about the Jews bruh, the Jews don't believe in "Hell", I'm giving you an example of how the concept got misconscrewed in Christianity.. Haha, damn heresy..
Read a bit more, bro.
Like I said, Hell doesn't exist..
@ Heresy
Yes I am serious.
^No way!
Nope.
You are wrong bro..
No.
Yea, ok..
Sheol is a "state" or "condition". QEBER is the word for a grave/location. Look it up if you want.
No one ever said anything about a grave/location. .. I said Sheol translates to "the common grave of mankind", if you disagree with that then you're delusional and just feel like arguing. I gave you the definition, you can look it up anywhere and it will say the same thing. A "state" or "condition"? Maybe you're losing your mind heresy, Sheol is a noun.. This is common knowledge for anyone claiming to know scripture and I didn't even need wikipedia or answer.com to tell you that. For the sake of argument I'll post the link though..
Sheol
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheol
You are incorrect. Here, let us go and read what I said, and let us do it S-L-O-W-L-Y.
Quote:
and an in depth study of Judaism will show you that they DID believe in a place of PUNISHMENT, but that it was only for a year.
What I am showing you is despite your misconceptions and lack of knowledge, the jewish people DID have a concept of a PLACE OF PUNISHMENT that one went to AFTER death. Why you are telling me that punishment for a year does not equate, "hell" is beyond me.
http://www.religionfacts.com/judaism.../afterlife.htm
What you are showing me is your ability to nit pick and use Straw Man arguments that are irrelevant to what I originally said. Hell is a made up English word describing an eternity of pain and suffering. Obviously it wasn't called hell in Hebrew..
Actually this is incorrect. Again, an in depth study into Judaism and the afterlife will show that they believe the soul would be utterly destroyed if it were not purged after the 12 month period. Here is an excerpt from that link:
Wow, we have a lack of communication here.. When did you lose your comprehension skills heresy? I'm not talking about the Jews bruh, the Jews don't believe in "Hell", I'm giving you an example of how the concept got misconscrewed in Christianity.. Haha, damn heresy..
Read a bit more, bro.
Like I said, Hell doesn't exist..
He isn't cheerleading. If anything he was doing you a service. Also, you are not correcting me for being wrong.
Yes.
Nope.
Nope.
And what is "the common grave of mankind"? What does that mean? Where is this common grave located? In fact, how can you say that "no one ever said anything about a grave/location" yet turn around and say that you said sheol translates to "the common grave of mankind"?
No, and I'm not arguing. I'm simply speaking on something I know about.
A condition can't be a noun? What is cancer? Is that a condition? Is cancer a noun? WHO SAID THAT SHEOL WAS NOT A NOUN? No one.
You arguing something that no one is arguing. Show me where someone said it wasn't a noun? You can't so why are you arguing that point?
Please read this link S-L-O-W-L-Y before you reply. In fact read it, take a couple of days off and then reply to the link (I'm not talking about replying to the thread.)
http://www.biblecentre.org/topics/ajp_hades_and_et_punishment.htm :dead:
No son, that isn't a strawman argument, and the reason it isn't a strawman argument is because two of the ORIGINAL questions asked were, "But can he escape hell once he is there???" and "or are you in there forever???". Based on his question being first directed to the "biblical" ones it is only natural that we discuss the biblical hell, and the jewish version of hell since both are interlinked. Now remember, you said:
This is why you need to read S-L-O-W-L-Y before you press the send button. If we are discussing a hebrew word and/or concept, it is only natural that we discuss the hebrew beliefs of the word and/or concept, and this is why I introduced judaism to the topic. Again, in their beliefs there IS a place of torment, and you ARE punished, so it is safe to say that there concept of a PLACE OF PUNISHMENT is DIFFERENT from what you are trying to convey to our readers. And remember, the majority of your argument is there is no "place of torment." What I am showing you is that is NOT what judaism promotes, not what Yeshi preached, and not what early church followers preached. :dead:
SEE ABOVE and why are you always laughing and saying "ha ha", when nothing you type is remotely funny? By the way, would it be a fallacy, if I introduced your prior position that people shouldn't study the original scriptures and translations? I wonder what THAT would do to your argument? :dead:
So what does exist?
Yes.
Nope.
Nope.
And what is "the common grave of mankind"? What does that mean? Where is this common grave located? In fact, how can you say that "no one ever said anything about a grave/location" yet turn around and say that you said sheol translates to "the common grave of mankind"?
No, and I'm not arguing. I'm simply speaking on something I know about.
A condition can't be a noun? What is cancer? Is that a condition? Is cancer a noun? WHO SAID THAT SHEOL WAS NOT A NOUN? No one.
You arguing something that no one is arguing. Show me where someone said it wasn't a noun? You can't so why are you arguing that point?
Please read this link S-L-O-W-L-Y before you reply. In fact read it, take a couple of days off and then reply to the link (I'm not talking about replying to the thread.)
http://www.biblecentre.org/topics/ajp_hades_and_et_punishment.htm :dead:
No son, that isn't a strawman argument, and the reason it isn't a strawman argument is because two of the ORIGINAL questions asked were, "But can he escape hell once he is there???" and "or are you in there forever???". Based on his question being first directed to the "biblical" ones it is only natural that we discuss the biblical hell, and the jewish version of hell since both are interlinked. Now remember, you said:
This is why you need to read S-L-O-W-L-Y before you press the send button. If we are discussing a hebrew word and/or concept, it is only natural that we discuss the hebrew beliefs of the word and/or concept, and this is why I introduced judaism to the topic. Again, in their beliefs there IS a place of torment, and you ARE punished, so it is safe to say that there concept of a PLACE OF PUNISHMENT is DIFFERENT from what you are trying to convey to our readers. And remember, the majority of your argument is there is no "place of torment." What I am showing you is that is NOT what judaism promotes, not what Yeshi preached, and not what early church followers preached. :dead:
SEE ABOVE and why are you always laughing and saying "ha ha", when nothing you type is remotely funny? By the way, would it be a fallacy, if I introduced your prior position that people shouldn't study the original scriptures and translations? I wonder what THAT would do to your argument? :dead:
So what does exist?
HERESY said:
He isn't cheerleading. If anything he was doing you a service. Also, you are not correcting me for being wrong.
Yes.
Nope.
Nope.
And what is "the common grave of mankind"? What does that mean? Where is this common grave located? In fact, how can you say that "no one ever said anything about a grave/location" yet turn around and say that you said sheol translates to "the common grave of mankind"?
No, and I'm not arguing. I'm simply speaking on something I know about.
A condition can't be a noun? What is cancer? Is that a condition? Is cancer a noun? WHO SAID THAT SHEOL WAS NOT A NOUN? No one.
You arguing something that no one is arguing. Show me where someone said it wasn't a noun? You can't so why are you arguing that point?
Please read this link S-L-O-W-L-Y before you reply. In fact read it, take a couple of days off and then reply to the link (I'm not talking about replying to the thread.)
http://www.biblecentre.org/topics/ajp_hades_and_et_punishment.htm :dead:
No son, that isn't a strawman argument, and the reason it isn't a strawman argument is because two of the ORIGINAL questions asked were, "But can he escape hell once he is there???" and "or are you in there forever???". Based on his question being first directed to the "biblical" ones it is only natural that we discuss the biblical hell, and the jewish version of hell since both are interlinked. Now remember, you said:
This is why you need to read S-L-O-W-L-Y before you press the send button. If we are discussing a hebrew word and/or concept, it is only natural that we discuss the hebrew beliefs of the word and/or concept, and this is why I introduced judaism to the topic. Again, in their beliefs there IS a place of torment, and you ARE punished, so it is safe to say that there concept of a PLACE OF PUNISHMENT is DIFFERENT from what you are trying to convey to our readers. And remember, the majority of your argument is there is no "place of torment." What I am showing you is that is NOT what judaism promotes, not what Yeshi preached, and not what early church followers preached. :dead:
SEE ABOVE and why are you always laughing and saying "ha ha", when nothing you type is remotely funny? By the way, would it be a fallacy, if I introduced your prior position that people shouldn't study the original scriptures and translations? I wonder what THAT would do to your argument? :dead:
So what does exist?
Yes.
Nope.
Nope.
And what is "the common grave of mankind"? What does that mean? Where is this common grave located? In fact, how can you say that "no one ever said anything about a grave/location" yet turn around and say that you said sheol translates to "the common grave of mankind"?
No, and I'm not arguing. I'm simply speaking on something I know about.
A condition can't be a noun? What is cancer? Is that a condition? Is cancer a noun? WHO SAID THAT SHEOL WAS NOT A NOUN? No one.
You arguing something that no one is arguing. Show me where someone said it wasn't a noun? You can't so why are you arguing that point?
Please read this link S-L-O-W-L-Y before you reply. In fact read it, take a couple of days off and then reply to the link (I'm not talking about replying to the thread.)
http://www.biblecentre.org/topics/ajp_hades_and_et_punishment.htm :dead:
No son, that isn't a strawman argument, and the reason it isn't a strawman argument is because two of the ORIGINAL questions asked were, "But can he escape hell once he is there???" and "or are you in there forever???". Based on his question being first directed to the "biblical" ones it is only natural that we discuss the biblical hell, and the jewish version of hell since both are interlinked. Now remember, you said:
This is why you need to read S-L-O-W-L-Y before you press the send button. If we are discussing a hebrew word and/or concept, it is only natural that we discuss the hebrew beliefs of the word and/or concept, and this is why I introduced judaism to the topic. Again, in their beliefs there IS a place of torment, and you ARE punished, so it is safe to say that there concept of a PLACE OF PUNISHMENT is DIFFERENT from what you are trying to convey to our readers. And remember, the majority of your argument is there is no "place of torment." What I am showing you is that is NOT what judaism promotes, not what Yeshi preached, and not what early church followers preached. :dead:
SEE ABOVE and why are you always laughing and saying "ha ha", when nothing you type is remotely funny? By the way, would it be a fallacy, if I introduced your prior position that people shouldn't study the original scriptures and translations? I wonder what THAT would do to your argument? :dead:
So what does exist?
Acts 2:27 (KJV) - "Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption."
Acts 2:31 (KJV) - "He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption."
Obviously you just misunderstood me, hell as I said is not a concept issue, but a translation issue as everyone goes to "Hell", but "Hell" in the traditional sense is not real and is extremely over exaggerated..
I was thinking the same shit...Heresy knows his shit on these topics. And when he IS wrong (rarely) he WILL admit that he was not right, or that there is another side.
And it's obvious to even me, after reading the two (heresy and park boyz) post back and forth, that Heresy has done more research and knows more about it.
Shit, even the few times I debated Heresy he dropped information that I didnt' know about...
don't argue, just realize he knows more and try to learn from the knowledge that he's willing to drop on here in his free time.
And it's obvious to even me, after reading the two (heresy and park boyz) post back and forth, that Heresy has done more research and knows more about it.
Shit, even the few times I debated Heresy he dropped information that I didnt' know about...
don't argue, just realize he knows more and try to learn from the knowledge that he's willing to drop on here in his free time.
I read more and had a feeling you two were debating separate points.
That happens a lot on here, it's easy to get mixed up and shit cause we can't see expressions or hear tones.
I wasn't tryin to say you're stupid either or make you look bad, I've seen you post in other threads and I know you're not a dumb ass like 95% of the rest of the clowns on here. My last comment was rude though, so my apologies.
That happens a lot on here, it's easy to get mixed up and shit cause we can't see expressions or hear tones.
I wasn't tryin to say you're stupid either or make you look bad, I've seen you post in other threads and I know you're not a dumb ass like 95% of the rest of the clowns on here. My last comment was rude though, so my apologies.
yes there is a hell and once your there you cannot leave, unless ur in purgatory which is between hell and heaven, if ur in purgatory u need people to pray for u inorder to leave. Thats just my opinion im Catholic and we're extremely strict when it comes to hell and for all of u who dont believe in hell ill pray for u that u can figure it out before ur sent there forever.
yes i do, first of all you dont pray for yourself to get out of purgatory other people pray for u, if u live a life of sin then u will go to hell, however if you die in a state of grace, which means you have unconfessed and therefore unforgiven venial (forgivable) sins you will be sent to purgatory until u are made perfect through the prayers of others