No disrespect intended. I posted it for those that may not be familiar with the organization. I have no doubt that you are very well read and knowledgeable. I look forward to reading your own personal perspective regarding these matters. Perhaps you can offer a deeper perspective that is not based on conspiracy theory.
BRING EM HOME!!!!!
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Who said anything about a conspiracy theory? The government is constantly marketing fear to the population, and the government has done an outstanding job of creating the terrorist "image". You're implying terrorists have done so much harm that we now have limited rights, but you fail to understand that the citizens rights have always been limited. And who said I had to offer a viable solution to the problem? What is the problem?
The public feels this way because of the well funded marketing campaign that told them who "terrorists" are and what "terrorists" do. It wouldn't be far fetched to assume that the general public had no idea or insight about Bin Laden, Al-Qaeda or any so-called "terrorist" before 9-11. However, you mention the public and their alleged perception, but what about the people on the other end of the spectrum? Do you honestly believe the majority of people of Iraq view americans as saviours and supporters of democracy?
Son, YOU gave the definition--I didn't. Yes, your definition would be applicable to a gang, but even less applicable to law enforcement. However, you are failing to realize that these people are terrorists to you, but heroes to those who feel they are fighting to protect their country and basic rights.
So spread imperialism and put in a puppet regime? Didn't america do this already? And on what grounds, moral/ethical or legal, does america have to remove a governing body and replace it with another?
Again, HOW can you destroy an ideology or fighting technique? What you scribbled doesn't answer the question, and I see that you failed to answer the question about why these people may be fighting in the first place.
The public feels this way because of the well funded marketing campaign that told them who "terrorists" are and what "terrorists" do. It wouldn't be far fetched to assume that the general public had no idea or insight about Bin Laden, Al-Qaeda or any so-called "terrorist" before 9-11. However, you mention the public and their alleged perception, but what about the people on the other end of the spectrum? Do you honestly believe the majority of people of Iraq view americans as saviours and supporters of democracy?
Son, YOU gave the definition--I didn't. Yes, your definition would be applicable to a gang, but even less applicable to law enforcement. However, you are failing to realize that these people are terrorists to you, but heroes to those who feel they are fighting to protect their country and basic rights.
So spread imperialism and put in a puppet regime? Didn't america do this already? And on what grounds, moral/ethical or legal, does america have to remove a governing body and replace it with another?
Again, HOW can you destroy an ideology or fighting technique? What you scribbled doesn't answer the question, and I see that you failed to answer the question about why these people may be fighting in the first place.
This along with your reference to Hegelian Dialectic leads me to believe you are suggesting that our government is responsible. That our government is responsible for the creation and definition of terrorism. That the people we are combating are "freedom fighters" and it is America that is imposing on their rights.
You are correct in the sense that any two parties engaged in a conflict are doing so in protection of their own interest, ideals, and rights. As can be illustrated by the adversity of our conversation.
IMO - Our rights as citizens are limited for a reason; so we don't have the problems in our cities that people in the Middle East face. We are limited to certain powers so we don't have suicide bombers in our nations capital. Our democracy affords us the right to change what is wrong. What's wrong is that people are doing nothing to change and everything to blame. That is our problem. We blame our government or our economy for the limitations of our lives. We as individuals choose to not make a choice. As Sartre says, "We are condemned to freedom."
It is obvious that you and I hold different political perspectives and values. I don't view we as Americans are in a adversarial relations with our government. As I respect your ideals this thread could go on in length with nothing gained. Neither yourself nor I are willing to compromise our perspectives to each other. Thank you, I greatly appreciate the insight of the opposite spectrum. It invokes thought regarding my own values, beliefs and morality. Although, I disagree with your perspective I can not argue the merits of it. I am not a politician nor am I credited to partake in a political debate.
You are correct in the sense that any two parties engaged in a conflict are doing so in protection of their own interest, ideals, and rights. As can be illustrated by the adversity of our conversation.
IMO - Our rights as citizens are limited for a reason; so we don't have the problems in our cities that people in the Middle East face. We are limited to certain powers so we don't have suicide bombers in our nations capital. Our democracy affords us the right to change what is wrong. What's wrong is that people are doing nothing to change and everything to blame. That is our problem. We blame our government or our economy for the limitations of our lives. We as individuals choose to not make a choice. As Sartre says, "We are condemned to freedom."
It is obvious that you and I hold different political perspectives and values. I don't view we as Americans are in a adversarial relations with our government. As I respect your ideals this thread could go on in length with nothing gained. Neither yourself nor I are willing to compromise our perspectives to each other. Thank you, I greatly appreciate the insight of the opposite spectrum. It invokes thought regarding my own values, beliefs and morality. Although, I disagree with your perspective I can not argue the merits of it. I am not a politician nor am I credited to partake in a political debate.
Pay attention to the bold and underlined.
That is for you to determine.
see above.
People are going to call you on your thoughts and ideas, and if you aren't up to task when it comes to explaining them, you'll be someones victim/bitch and you'll fall by the wayside like so many others who came here trying to throw shit on the wall hoping it would stick. I'm simply trying to help you out here (which is also why I told you to cite the source.)
SEE ABOVE.
Yes, but how is that statement applicable to our discussion? No one said anything about hating or loving you, but shouldn't the government you wildy support and praise be subjected to the same commandment?
That is for you to determine.
see above.
People are going to call you on your thoughts and ideas, and if you aren't up to task when it comes to explaining them, you'll be someones victim/bitch and you'll fall by the wayside like so many others who came here trying to throw shit on the wall hoping it would stick. I'm simply trying to help you out here (which is also why I told you to cite the source.)
SEE ABOVE.
Yes, but how is that statement applicable to our discussion? No one said anything about hating or loving you, but shouldn't the government you wildy support and praise be subjected to the same commandment?
^Bravo
I felt that I did support my perspective with both research and personal accounts and in turn questioned yours. You are simply picking at what you disagree with. We have different ideals! To me that is the beauty of America and American government. It isn't always about proving someone wrong to me. I'm not here to take your place. It is about invoking thought and hopefully challenging someone to question their own perspective as well as my own.You have afforded me that. If there is no room for varying perspective in this forum I will leave it to you and your minions.
I do not feel compelled to defend my perspective against one contrary perspective. Conspiracy has been over done in liberal politics - imo. It is the minds of the mases I seek to interact. A view or perspective based on foundation other than conspiracy would be most beneficial to my aim and my own personal growth. Unfortunately, while you do address many great points, I don't feel that you have that to offer.
"love thy enemies" was intended to bring some lightheartedness to this conversation. No, our government should not be held to this commandment. I support the separation of church and state. Go easy; my discussion was never intended to offend. The direction our discussion is headed has been beat to death and offers nothing in the terms of personal growth.
I felt that I did support my perspective with both research and personal accounts and in turn questioned yours. You are simply picking at what you disagree with. We have different ideals! To me that is the beauty of America and American government. It isn't always about proving someone wrong to me. I'm not here to take your place. It is about invoking thought and hopefully challenging someone to question their own perspective as well as my own.You have afforded me that. If there is no room for varying perspective in this forum I will leave it to you and your minions.
I do not feel compelled to defend my perspective against one contrary perspective. Conspiracy has been over done in liberal politics - imo. It is the minds of the mases I seek to interact. A view or perspective based on foundation other than conspiracy would be most beneficial to my aim and my own personal growth. Unfortunately, while you do address many great points, I don't feel that you have that to offer.
"love thy enemies" was intended to bring some lightheartedness to this conversation. No, our government should not be held to this commandment. I support the separation of church and state. Go easy; my discussion was never intended to offend. The direction our discussion is headed has been beat to death and offers nothing in the terms of personal growth.
Let's all ride the Simpleton train.
Who was hyping 9/11 and its all-consuming paradigm shift the most? An administration wishing to use it to implement plans and ideas they had way before it ever happened, and the conservative media and ideologoues who continually raise the specter of 9/11 to justify anything and everything they would like to see accomplished.
Saddam / Iraq was a nothing and a nobody in terms of international terrorism before the Iraq War.
The number of Americans who avoided flying after 9/11 and were subsequently killed in car crashes was higher than the total number of passengers who died on the four 9/11 flights.
And a fruitless, horribly costly war in a region of the Middle East that had little or nothing to do with international terrosim is a definite solution.
That is because, like a good lemming, you have been sufficiently spooked into believing that the only solution to our current drastic situation (An event that killed less Americans than deer on the road since its occurence) is to level the Middle East and cause untold heaps of death and destruction on people not in the least bit involved.
Who was hyping 9/11 and its all-consuming paradigm shift the most? An administration wishing to use it to implement plans and ideas they had way before it ever happened, and the conservative media and ideologoues who continually raise the specter of 9/11 to justify anything and everything they would like to see accomplished.
Saddam / Iraq was a nothing and a nobody in terms of international terrorism before the Iraq War.
The number of Americans who avoided flying after 9/11 and were subsequently killed in car crashes was higher than the total number of passengers who died on the four 9/11 flights.
And a fruitless, horribly costly war in a region of the Middle East that had little or nothing to do with international terrosim is a definite solution.
That is because, like a good lemming, you have been sufficiently spooked into believing that the only solution to our current drastic situation (An event that killed less Americans than deer on the road since its occurence) is to level the Middle East and cause untold heaps of death and destruction on people not in the least bit involved.
Lord I hate getting into these lil cyber beefs but Hyphy whatever the fuck dude calls himself is a fucking retard talking bout the troops are all stupid. Fuck you dude, they are over there doing something that your punk ass aint so fuck you. I hope somebody shoves a grenade up your ass sideways so we dont have to deal with any more of your stupid ass comments. now that I have that out of the way I honestly dont think there is a easy way out of iraq at the moment Bush got us into something that its going to take a while to get out of. and if you read Michael More's book "Dude wheres my country" he kinda lays there a interesting theory about what set 9/11 off you should read it and it will show the shit that Bush has been pulling over the years.