Brady Is No Montana!

  • Wanna Join? New users you can now register lightning fast using your Facebook or Twitter accounts.
Jun 24, 2005
11,754
460
83
40
www.MYSPACE.COM
Nope.

1984: The 49ers come flying out of the gates winning their first 6 games. However, their winning streak would come to an end with a 20-17 loss in the final seconds of an October 14th game to the Pittsburgh Steelers at Candlestick Park. That loss would end up being the only loss on the season as the 49ers won the NFC West with a spectacular 15-1 record. In the Divisional Playoffs the 49ers jumped out to a quick 14-0 lead, over the New York Giants. However, the Giants would get back into the game when Joe Montana had an interception ran back for a TD. The 49ers would bounce back quickly scoring on a Montana to Freddie Solomon 29 yard TD pass to take a 21-10 halftime lead. From there the 49ers defense took over as no points were scored by either team in the 2nd half. In the NFC Championship Game, the 49ers defense once again was the key as they recorded 9 sacks in an impressive 23-0 shutout win over the Chicago Bears.

Super Bowl XIX: The 49ers were back in the Super Bowl as they faced the Miami Dolphins in a battle of superstar Quarterbacks. For this battle the 49ers had the hug advantage of playing a virtual home game in near by Palo Alto. The 49ers fell behind early 10-7, but would rally back to take a 28-16 halftime lead behind the running of Roger Craig, and the passing of Joe Montana. In the 2nd half the 49ers defense stiffened up not allowing another point while the 49ers scored 10 points in the 3rd Quarter to claim their 2nd Lombardi Trophy with a 38-16 victory. Leading the charge to victory was FB Roger Craig who scored a rushing TD, and caught 2 other TD passes, and QB Joe Montana who was named MVP with 331 yards passing and 4 Touchdowns.
 
Jun 24, 2005
11,754
460
83
40
www.MYSPACE.COM
Tom Brady is Better Than Joe Montana
Monday, February 4, 2008 at 20:08:28 PT | Recommend | Print | del.icio.us | Digg It
By Matt Faust

Blasphemy. Kick him off the website. Who does this guy think he is? Heck, who is he?

But 49er fans, whether you want to admit it or not, or want to kill me for even saying those words, we were 35 seconds away from having to seriously enter that debate.

Thank you, Eli Manning.

After 25 years of being certain of three things: Death, taxes and Joe Montana as the greatest quarterback of all time, even I was entertaining the possibility that the latter may no longer be so certain.

Let's look at the stats. Tom Brady has played eight years in the league. Through eight seasons he has 197 touchdown passes. Joe Montana had 141. Tom Brady has three Super Bowl rings, Joe Montana had two through eight seasons. Brady threw 50 touchdown passes this year, admittedly in large part to Randy Moss. But Montana had Jerry Rice, and never eclipsed 31, which was done the same year Rice caught 23 touchdown passes, the record until Moss broke it this year. Tom Brady earned the NFL MVP award this year, Montana didn't receive his two until his eleventh and twelfth years in the league. Statistically, the argument was fair.

But Brady was a product of the Belichick system you say? How could he not win with all that talent (and videotape) around him? Joe can't separate himself here either, Bill Walsh's genius is to blame for that.

The argument about who is the greatest quarterback of all-time is not a new one, but never had there been such a legitimate threat to Montana's throne since he retired in 1994. Troy Aikman made a couple writers, mainly in the Dallas area, throw his name into the ring in the mid-90's, but Jimmy Johnson and Norv Turner's departure coupled with nagging injuries closed the door on that argument. Brett Favre showed other worldly physical skills, which ultimately led to his demise in the great debate. Peyton Manning has video game type statistics and intelligence that rivals few in the game, but until last year never could win the big one. This Brady kid though, the local boy who grew up idolizing Joe and wanting to be just like him, well, we just couldn't find that definitive argument to say no.

The argument has grown so intense lately, ESPN asked Marv Levy, Art Rooney Jr., Zeke Bratkowski, Ken Meyer, Larry Kennan, James Harris and Dick Haley to debate the topic. See story here. And guess what? Neither Brady nor Montana were number one. That's what you get for bringing in old fogies who yearn for yester year to debate the topic.

Either way, Brady has brought the debate to the table.

There were only three arguments that I could hang my hat on that I felt left Joe at the top. The first, was the level of competition during their eras. During the 80's there were many teams that I consider to have had a chance to win the Super Bowl each year: Bears, Broncos, Browns, Dolphins, Giants, Redskins and if you're feeling lucky, maybe even the Rams on a good year. Maybe not. But during the 00's, only the Patriots and Colts seem to have a legitimate chance each year to win the Super Bowl. Every other team in the 00's to win the Super Bowl (Ravens, Bucs, Steelers) has been a moderate surprise, with the Bucs possibly the lone exception.

The second was the "magic" Joe Montana had in the way he won games. No game was ever lost when there was time on the clock and Joe Montana under center. The Catch, The Drive and the Saints. Joe has all of those legendary moments. But how can you fault Brady for rarely having to come from behind? And if you look back at all of the Super Bowls he has been in, he has led last minute game winning drives. None capped with a touchdown, but a victory nonetheless.

So there I sat on my weight bench on Saturday, admitting to my father what I would have punched someone in the face for saying a year earlier: Maybe Montana isn't alone. Yes, the kid who wore his Montana jersey to 12 consecutive Halloweens, who licked his fingers before going under center of every snap he ever took, who still does not understand why June 11 is not a national holiday, was admitting the unthinkable.

Then, with 35 seconds left, it happened.

Brady may be the greatest spread offense quarterback of all time. He could break every significant quarterback record and rattle off ten Super Bowl wins in the next ten years and blow the argument out of the water. But one fact will always remain.

Joe Montana never lost the Super Bowl.
thats right
 
Apr 25, 2002
9,595
5
38
Just like fatal says Brady is overrated on this board, thats how I feel about Montana with him!! He overrates Montana!!
You act like I'm on here talking about Joe Montana all the time. Go search thru the archives, I never discuss the man. Montana is not even my favorite Niner QB, that would be Steve Young. I just know who the greatest is.
 
Apr 25, 2002
9,595
5
38
But to sit here and say that Brady is not on Montana's level is pretty stupid. What has Montana accomplished that Brady hasn't besides winning 4 SuperBowls?
You need to start looking outside the stats.

There are a gang of comparable QBs to Montana AND Brady stat-wise. Why aren't any of them mentioned? The only reason anyone mentions Brady in a GOAT argument is because of his SuperBowls. That's it. Nothing more. But by that logic Terry Bradshaw is just as good as both of them! PLEASE.
 
Apr 25, 2002
9,595
5
38
Fatal is doing all he can to prove that Brady is not on Montana's level but he's doing a poor job
You talk too damn much. Why is my fuckin name in every single post? You weren't even addressing me in the post and my fuckin name is still in it. I'm trying to keep this shit cool and just debate the issue, but you need to get my dick out of your mind before you post something in this thread.

Tony said:
Montana has 1 more SuperBowl win than Brady... and that's about it.

AND Montana has DOMINATED SuperBowls. Brady wins SuperBowls by a fuckin field goal. That's a huge difference.

Tony said:
Even though the Patriots lost the SuperBowl has Montana ever led the Niners to 18 straight victories?
18 straight? No. But he did lead them to 18 victories, AND THEY WON THE SUPERBOWL THAT YEAR.


Tony said:
Has Montana ever led any team to an undefeated season?
15-1 is as close as he got, but like I said, HE WON THE SUPERBOWL. The undefeated REGULAR season is worthless when you can't close the deal.

Tony said:
Has he ever thrown 50 TD passes in one season? Yet Brady isn't on his level?
That's the only thing Brady has on Montana. A personal STAT. Look outside the numbers. I shouldn't have to explain this shit.
 
Jan 18, 2006
14,367
6,557
113
44
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...Did'nt Carolina score 30+ in the second half?
Elway would of won 7-8 if he was a Whiner in the 80's.
No they scored 19 just checked, but it was to late really, New Englands defense did the job in the first half and the third quarter shut them out in the 3rd, Bradys o-line is what should be getting the real recognition, any qb can complete passes when they have all the time in the world.
 

Tony

Sicc OG
May 15, 2002
13,165
970
113
48
@Fatal, you called me out first so like CZAR said “Deal with it”!

You said this in an effort to knock Brady:

Joe's sucess had to do with timing. If you don't have the timing and accuracy in the WCO you won't succeed, short passes or not. Brady's short passes were nothing more than dumpoffs to a WIDE OPEN receiver over the middle, or a designed screen pass that has nothing to do with Brady's abilities. You're acting like Brady pulled an Eli Manning or some shit. He dumped off. That's it.
Dump offs? Did he just say “Dump Offs”?????? Didn’t Montana dump the ball off often to Roger Craig and Tom Rathman? Montana never threw short passes to a WIDE OPEN Roger Craig in the flats? So why was Roger Craig the first Rb with 1,000 yards receiving/rushing? Was he out there running deep post routes next to Rice? Bill Walsh never called screen plays? WTF?

And how did he do that? Oh that's right, short passes. The receivers racked up YAC and got them down the field, not Brady. You're giving him way too much credit here.
So can you say the same thing about Jerry Rice/John Taylor racking up YAC? Does Joe Montana get too much credit for Rice and Taylor racking up YAC? But Brady gets too much credit for it when his receivers do it? You’re trying to knock Brady but you’re knocking Joe at the same time dog!

So far you’ve proven that Montana and Brady are on the same level. Their games are very, very similar according to your quotes. So thanks for helping me prove my point! Got em!! (trademarked by CZAR)
 

Tony

Sicc OG
May 15, 2002
13,165
970
113
48
By your standards, every single hit must be "hard" because he was not drilled many times. He got hit, but only a lil weenie boy would think they were hard hits (except a couple).
As long as you're able to get pressure on the quarterback, you can make a Superman look ordinary," said Umenyiora, who recovered a fumble by Brady on a Tuck sack that killed a Patriots scoring opportunity just before halftime. "I couldn't imagine playing quarterback, being in his position in that situation. We were trying to kill him ... literally. We were trying to hurt him out there. I think we might have hit him twenty-something times."
 
Nov 7, 2006
7,383
36
0
40
^^^they got reason though. i mean Montana is the best as of right now IMO but it isnt by a landslide because of the talent at QB. i think it's pretty dumb to say theres no way brady can surpass montana when IMO he's like 2 inches awayfrom doing it. if he wins one more SB then it's definetly considered and if he leads his team to more than another SB then i feel it's a lock specially because of the Era he's doing it in. but that still has yet to come and hopefully it does for the sake of me rooting for the pats and i think it will happen atleast one more time, prolly even next year specially if we make our D younger
 
Apr 25, 2002
9,595
5
38
@Fatal, you called me out first so like CZAR said “Deal with it”!
Everything czar says is lame. So if you wanna copy him, so be it. That's your issue. But me "calling you out" doesn't mean you have to have my dick on your mind in every single post you make, especially the ones where you're not even talking to ME.

Tony said:
You said this in an effort to knock Brady:
I said nothing "in an effort to knock Brady." It seems you can't handle it when someone looks at the situation without riding Brady's sac.

Tony said:
Dump offs? Did he just say “Dump Offs”?????? Didn’t Montana dump the ball off often to Roger Craig and Tom Rathman?
Every QB does it. But did Montana use dumpoffs to try to win a game? No. Were those dumpoffs ever the only thing he got going all day long? NO. Nice try though.


Tony said:
Montana never threw short passes to a WIDE OPEN Roger Craig in the flats? So why was Roger Craig the first Rb with 1,000 yards receiving/rushing? Was he out there running deep post routes next to Rice? Bill Walsh never called screen plays? WTF?
Look above. Montana never got shut down to the point where short dumpoffs to wide open receivers were the only thing he could get done all game. Brady didn't do jack shit until that one drive, which was nothing but short dumpoffs. He did nothing else all day. Yeah yeah, I know, "he was getting hit." Blame it on whatever you want, it is what it is regardless.

Tony said:
So can you say the same thing about Jerry Rice/John Taylor racking up YAC? Does Joe Montana get too much credit for Rice and Taylor racking up YAC?
Yep. EVERY QB DOES.

Tony said:
But Brady gets too much credit for it when his receivers do it? You’re trying to knock Brady but you’re knocking Joe at the same time dog!
Once again, the situations are not the same. John Taylor and Jerry Rice were never uncovered. They may have gotten open, but they were never uncovered or covered by a LB. Wes Welker is often left wide open with nobody around for 10 yards. Watch a damn game Tony, but this time pay attention. Taylor and Rice were often able to gather YAC because of the timing and accuracy of Montana's passes. Go watch some shit on youtube. It's not the same as Brady dumping the ball off, ANY QB IN THE LEAGUE CAN DUMP THE FUCKIN BALL OFF. Not all QBs can run an efficient West Coast Offense style passing game due to lack of ability. No QB lacks the ability to dump the fuckin ball off.

Tony said:
So far you’ve proven that Montana and Brady are on the same level.
Only in your eyes. That has to do with you not wanting to be wrong. Nothing I've said has even been remotely close to proving Brady is on Montana's level.


Tony said:
So thanks for helping me prove my point!
LMAO. Nice try.

Tony said:
Got em!! (trademarked by CZAR)
GAY.

That's all I can say about that homo ass statement.