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Bernstein: Golovkin Clearly Beats Canelo, Can't Imagine Him Losing - Boxing News
If the fight actually goes down, Showtime's expert analyst Al Bernstein has no idea how Canelo can possibly pull off a victory.

Bernstein gives Golovkin several advantages- in experience, size, power, skill. Canelo's only edge on paper is youth and potentially speed. Both fighters have good defensive skills. One of the major obstacles at the moment in making the fight a reality is the weight limit. Canelo has never fought beyond a catch-weight of 155-pounds and wants to face Golovkin at that exact weight - but GGG wants the full middleweight limit of 160-pounds.

"Well I hope it happens this September, that would give Canelo time to gain his weight. Gennady Golovkin’s problem is that nobody will fight him for the most part. I hope that fight happens, I think Golovkin is the clear winner in that fight, it’s hard for me to figure out a way that Canelo can beat him," Bernstein said to On The Ropes Boxing Radio.

"It could be a very interesting and exciting fight, potentially, but Canelo isn’t a big middleweight and Golovkin has certainly been at 160lbs for a long time. I just can’t imagine Golovkin losing that fight, but I hope it happens, it would be a monstrous fight for the sport."

 

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Lance Pugmire
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The D @danny Swift G @Ghost BOXING card drew 2.518 million viewers, the third-best @premierboxing card yet...
4:08 PM - 26 Jan 2016

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Lance Pugmire
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Didn't mention that the D @danny Swift card was debut on Fox, and peaked at 3.392 million viewers during main event.
4:10 PM - 26 Jan 2016

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ESPN's rankings of Welterweight right now:

1. Manny Pacquiao
2. Tim Bradley
3. Keith Thurman
4. Kell Brook
5. Danny Garcia
6. Amir Khan
7. Shawn Porter
8. Sadam Ali
9. Errol Spence
10. Jessie Vargas

 

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Per G @Golden BoyBoxing, several heavys have turned down facing Luis Ortiz on March 5 in Washington,DC, some without even hearing the money!



Dan Rafael D @danr afaelespn 1h1 hour ago

Pelullo told me Fedosov turned down Ortiz because he wanted 8 weeks to train not 5. Said they'll take it with 8 weeks notice. That's fair.

 

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Dan Rafael D @danr afaelespn 2h2 hours ago

Among opponents (their teams really) I'm told turned down 3/5 HBO main event vs Luis Ortiz: Carlos Takam, Andy Ruiz, Andrey Fedosov. #boxing...See More

 

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I can't see ANYONE worth a Damn wanting to fight Ortiz right now, dude is scary. It's high risk low reward right now since he's just now getting on people's radar. That's ok though, he just needs to keep doing what he's doing and stay very active and just do the Golovkin strategy where if the top guys are saying no, just keep fighting at least four times a year and work your way into title eliminaters/mandatory spots and force the action. The big fights will come eventually as long as he stays active. That's the key - he can't afford to sit on the sidelines hoping a big fight will come his way, doesn't work that way, keep knocking fools out and people notice.

 

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Angel Garcia on Amir Khan: ‘Why would we fight Khan?’
Mitch Abramson
January 27, 2016



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Angel Garcia remains frustrated by the WBC’s requirement that his son Danny defend his newly won WBC welterweight crown against Amir Khan.

In the wake of Garcia’s decision-victory over Robert Guerrero on Saturday, WBC President Mauricio Sulaiman said that Garcia “must” fight Khan, his mandatory challenger next “by June.”

On Wednesday morning, Angel Garcia, who trains his son, was defiant and puzzled why the WBC would want his son to face Khan again after their first fight was so lopsided. Garcia (32-0, 18 knockouts) stopped Khan in four rounds in 2012, flooring him three times in a junior welterweight unification match.

“I don’t see nothing there,” Garcia told RingTV.com. “(If they fight) it’s going to be a repeat of the same thing again. Danny will knock Khan out. I’m not underestimating him but…I don’t want to get into the WBC politics. Danny is the champ. But I don’t see nothing happening there, in my opinion. I don’t think we’re even looking at that, honestly. Why would we fight Khan? There are bigger names out there right now. Khan had his time. He made a lot of money in boxing. I don’t know why he stood around waiting for Floyd (Mayweather) to fight. It never happened. I don’t see (this fight) taking place.”

At the same time, Garcia acknowledged he may ultimately have to face Khan again if the WBC threatens to strip his son of his title. Danny has no plans to vacate the title to avoid a Khan rematch, Angel said.

“We’re not trying to go on bad terms with nobody,” Garcia said of the WBC. “Were not trying to do that. Why would you be the champ and then vacate the belt? That’s disrespecting the boxing world. If we have to do it then we have to do what we have to do. But I’m just saying I don’t see nothing there for me. (But) we’re not going to run from anybody. We’re not scared of (Khan).”

Garcia was careful about calling out any future opponents, though he did say a match with the winner of Keith Thurman-Shawn Porter (he’s picking Thurman by decision) on March 12 for the WBA welterweight championship would be a “great fight.”

Angel said that Danny will definitely fight again in the next “three to four months,” erasing the possibility that his son will remain idle in anticipation of a fight with the winner of Thurman-Porter.

“We’re not going to sit around and wait eight months,” Garcia said. “That’s definitely. We got to be back in the ring no later than three to four months. So they’re fighting in March so I guess we’re fighting right after that.”

As for Thurman-Porter, Garcia believes that Thurman’s boxing ability and ring IQ will prove too much for the hyper-aggressive Porter.

“Thurman is a more smarter fighter than Porter,” Garcia said. “(Porter) fights like the West Coast, he has more a Mexican style, he just comes aggressive like Guerrero like that. A fighter like that, you have to be smart and use your legs and you could probably dominate the whole fight and Thurman is pretty good with his legs so I’m going with Thurman. I like the way (Thurman) uses the ring.”



Angel Garcia on Amir Khan: ‘Why would we fight Khan?’ - Ring TV

 

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I can't see ANYONE worth a Damn wanting to fight Ortiz right now, dude is scary. It's high risk low reward right now since he's just now getting on people's radar. That's ok though, he just needs to keep doing what he's doing and stay very active and just do the Golovkin strategy where if the top guys are saying no, just keep fighting at least four times a year and work your way into title eliminaters/mandatory spots and force the action. The big fights will come eventually as long as he stays active. That's the key - he can't afford to sit on the sidelines hoping a big fight will come his way, doesn't work that way, keep knocking fools out and people notice.

He's already in line for a mandatory. With the WBA in the process of eliminating nonsense titles like the one Ortiz has currently. No surprise they're trying to schedule a fight on 3/5, the same day Chagaev defends his regular WBA title against Lucas Browne. WBA should announce that Chagaev/Browne (regular) has to fight the winner of Ortiz/TBA (interim) and the winner of that fight will become the WBA mandatory challenger for Tyson Fury (currently).

 

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"Kovalev may say some racist stuff from time to time, but I'm useful to him." - John David Jackson as Stepin Fetchit #boxing #KovalevPascal2
3:01 PM - 27 Jan 2016

 

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js writing @js_writing

JD Jackson is basically saying yeah Kov has said & done some stuff he thinks is wrong, but his checks clear. #KovalevPascal2 #boxing
3:03 PM - 27 Jan 2016

 

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This mf Pascal came out to the presser with bananas lol wow this is a new low for Pascal, trying to bait Kovalev calling him a racist the entire time, in the end Kovalev's trainer John David Jackson and Pascal had to be separated, JDJ defending Kovalev saying he isn't a racist etc while Pascal is screaming and JDJ calling him an idiot and they get in eachother faces. I think Kovalev might actually kill him this time, better hope for a merciful ref.

 

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And why are they fighting again?

 

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And why are they fighting again?

Pascal wanted a rematch. Originally the idea was Pascal was to fight Stevenson and the winner fight Kovalev but that fell through and wanted Kovalev immediately. First fight was entertaining and it's good money in Canada. Kill time for Andre Ward (supposedly later this year) and no one else to fight at the moment. It was either fight Pascal, sit out and wait or fight someone most people never heard of. Kovalev and Stevenson are in talks for a June PPV which can't happen any sooner apparently (Pac and Canelo PPVs in April/May, so June is what they're pushing for).

 

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Looks like the Kovalev-Stevenson talks fell apart again. I guess the 50/50 split HBO PPV wasn't good enough. So Kovalev will fight in Russia in June and Stevenson likely Alvarez. Kovalev-Stevenson Falls Through; Kovalev To Russia in June? - Boxing News

 

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Looks like the Kovalev-Stevenson talks fell apart again. I guess the 50/50 split HBO PPV wasn't good enough. So Kovalev will fight in Russia in June and Stevenson likely Alvarez. Kovalev-Stevenson Falls Through; Kovalev To Russia in June? - Boxing News

Once again HBO trying to rape. Stevenson's team offered a 50-50 and wanted to do brand like HBO and SHO did with Floyd and that lyin ass nigga Manny.

 

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HBO just wanted to do the fight no Showtime. Stevensons promoter said they were offered a great deal and it wasn't the money, the problem was they/Haymon wanted a joint PPV with Showtime and HBO rejected that idea, they don't think it's big enough for a joint ppv.

 

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Team Golovkin: No Negotiating Weight With Canelo, 160 or Vacate

By Edward Chaykovsky

The biggest hurdle in making a fall unification between middleweight champions Gennady 'GGG' Golovkin (34-0, 31KOs) and Saul 'Canelo' Alvarez, 46-1-1, 32KOs) is the weight.

In today's boxing world, more and more fighters are electing to compete at catch-weights, but the situation at middleweight has been a growing trend in the last two years. It first began when Miguel Cotto captured the WBC middleweight world title in 2014 from Sergio Martinez. That fight took place at 159. Cotto's next fight, against Daniel Geale, was at 157. The fight against Canelo, captured the WBC belt, took place at 155.

Canelo's last four fights have taken place at 155 and the Mexican star, according to his handlers, has no intention at fighting at the full middleweight limit in the near future.

Gennady Golovkin wants 160-pounds for Canelo

Canelo has been ordered by the WBC to make a mandatory defense against Golovkin in the fall. He was allowed to make a voluntary defense on May 7th. Golovkin, who holds the WBA/IBO/IBF world titles, will defend his titles on April 23rd.

Because Golovkin is a mandatory challenger, he is not obligated to agree to any catch-weight. Canelo has to face him or face the possibility of being stripped.

Loeffer is not happy with the growing trend of catch-weights in the middleweight division. He sees no reason for Golovkin to squeeze down to a lower weight, like 155-pounds, when Canelo is the one who actually rehydrates to the larger weight on fight night.

If the fight takes place at 160, Canelo sees that as an advantage for Golovkin. Loeffler disagrees with his opinion on the matter.

"Canelo has just won the title, and they've said they want to make one defence before he fights Gennady to build up the fight. That's where we're at, right now. It's in the writing that Canelo fights Gennady or his status as champion will be vacated by the WBC. What a lot of people don't realise is that Canelo actually fights heavier than Gennady. He'll walk into the ring at 175-pounds even if he weighs in lower, so it's not a disadvantage for him to fight us at 160-pounds," Loeffler explained to Sky Sports.

"I don't understand these smaller guys being considered the lineal middleweight champion - to me, it's ridiculous to have anyone rated above Gennady at middleweight. Then they make all these catchweights - Cotto fought at 157-pounds against Daniel Geale and at 155-pounds against Canelo. In our particular instance against Canelo there wouldn't be any negotiations about the weight. It would be two middleweight champions fighting each other at 160-pounds. Now if Canelo vacates the title and it becomes a voluntary fight down the road in 2017, then anything is negotiable - the money, location and weight."

"But under current circumstances he is mandated to defend his middleweight title. There's a 50 percent chance of it happening - they could give up the title because they don't want to fight Gennady, but Canelo is a proud warrior who didn't have to fight Austin Trout or Erislandy Lara so he's proven he's not afraid."

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If push comes to shove I'm sure they'd settle on a 158 catchweight. Not sure if Canelo would move away from his fake 155 pound weight class though.

 

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Team Golovkin: No Negotiating Weight With Canelo, 160 or Vacate

By Edward Chaykovsky

The biggest hurdle in making a fall unification between middleweight champions Gennady 'GGG' Golovkin (34-0, 31KOs) and Saul 'Canelo' Alvarez, 46-1-1, 32KOs) is the weight.

In today's boxing world, more and more fighters are electing to compete at catch-weights, but the situation at middleweight has been a growing trend in the last two years. It first began when Miguel Cotto captured the WBC middleweight world title in 2014 from Sergio Martinez. That fight took place at 159. Cotto's next fight, against Daniel Geale, was at 157. The fight against Canelo, captured the WBC belt, took place at 155.

Canelo's last four fights have taken place at 155 and the Mexican star, according to his handlers, has no intention at fighting at the full middleweight limit in the near future.

Gennady Golovkin wants 160-pounds for Canelo

Canelo has been ordered by the WBC to make a mandatory defense against Golovkin in the fall. He was allowed to make a voluntary defense on May 7th. Golovkin, who holds the WBA/IBO/IBF world titles, will defend his titles on April 23rd.

Because Golovkin is a mandatory challenger, he is not obligated to agree to any catch-weight. Canelo has to face him or face the possibility of being stripped.

Loeffer is not happy with the growing trend of catch-weights in the middleweight division. He sees no reason for Golovkin to squeeze down to a lower weight, like 155-pounds, when Canelo is the one who actually rehydrates to the larger weight on fight night.

If the fight takes place at 160, Canelo sees that as an advantage for Golovkin. Loeffler disagrees with his opinion on the matter.

"Canelo has just won the title, and they've said they want to make one defence before he fights Gennady to build up the fight. That's where we're at, right now. It's in the writing that Canelo fights Gennady or his status as champion will be vacated by the WBC. What a lot of people don't realise is that Canelo actually fights heavier than Gennady. He'll walk into the ring at 175-pounds even if he weighs in lower, so it's not a disadvantage for him to fight us at 160-pounds," Loeffler explained to Sky Sports.

"I don't understand these smaller guys being considered the lineal middleweight champion - to me, it's ridiculous to have anyone rated above Gennady at middleweight. Then they make all these catchweights - Cotto fought at 157-pounds against Daniel Geale and at 155-pounds against Canelo. In our particular instance against Canelo there wouldn't be any negotiations about the weight. It would be two middleweight champions fighting each other at 160-pounds. Now if Canelo vacates the title and it becomes a voluntary fight down the road in 2017, then anything is negotiable - the money, location and weight."

"But under current circumstances he is mandated to defend his middleweight title. There's a 50 percent chance of it happening - they could give up the title because they don't want to fight Gennady, but Canelo is a proud warrior who didn't have to fight Austin Trout or Erislandy Lara so he's proven he's not afraid."

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Canelo has always given the fans what they want, a fighter who is always willing to challenge himself in the ring and win. When was the last time GGG has done that? Not even Loeffler can say that about his fighter, but he did about Canelo. At the end of the day, it's a business. The amount of money this fight can generate, Canelo deserves way more money than GGG, yet GGG has done nothing about it to prove he deserves a huge piece of the pie. He wasn't the 21 year old who fought a very experienced 6 time champ, future HOF'er, he didn't have to do a catchweight to make the second biggest fight ever watched, and fought nothing but fighters at their prime in between. Canelo did. What people need to do is start pressuring GGG to start challenging himself as to always play it safe. That's why his ppv numbers were so low. Just imagine how big GGG would have been if he fought and beat Ward? Whatevers...