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I think he's stuck with his shitty contracts that he's had trouble getting out of. I remember reading something a couple years ago that when he defected from Cuba, he signed like a 10 year deal with Gary Hyde or some outrageous shit like that and an equally terrible contract with the fucktards that are Caribe Promotions, who just won't let him go and constantly fuck him up They are all leaches and he needs a major promotional company to take care of. Caribe are so small time they barely have a website and seems their entire purpose is to destroy Rigondeaux. Anytime Rigo is close to fighting, Caribe block it and fight with Gary Hyde. It's a nightmare situation and the only way to fix it is to get away from these parasites.
It's a common story with Cuban fighters. They have no experience with this kind of stuff, they don't understand contracts and how things work so they end up getting completely taken advantage of.
It's a common story with Cuban fighters. They have no experience with this kind of stuff, they don't understand contracts and how things work so they end up getting completely taken advantage of.
Lomachenko: I’d like to fight Rigo or Walters
Vasyl Lomachenko has opened the door to mega fights next year declaring he’s ready to fight the best.
The decorated amateur locks horns with Mexican Romulo Koaischa this Saturday night but victory would pave the way to potential big fights with the likes of Guillermo Rigondeaux, Nicholas Walters and a potential rematch with Orlando Salido.
“It’s hard to say why the Rigo fight hasn’t happened but right now there’s a lot of people talking, hopefully we can meet and talk but I’m sure that bout will happen,” revealed the Double Olympic Champion, speaking to FightHub through a translator.
On a potential dust up with the big punching Jamaican ‘Axe Man’ Nicholas Walters, Loma was less than convinced a fight could be made despite the pair sharing the same promoter.
“As far as I know, he’s at a different weight class. After November 7 we can talk about it, I would like to fight him. It would be a good fight for the fans.”
Ukrainian Lomachenko insisted despite big fights in the pipeline, he’s fully focused on up and coming opponent Koaischa.
“We know what he’s going to do, I am ready for him.”
Watch Vasyl Lomachenko defend his WBO World Featherweight Title against Romulo Koaischa on the Bradley v Rios bill, live on BoxNation this Saturday.
Vasyl Lomachenko has opened the door to mega fights next year declaring he’s ready to fight the best.
The decorated amateur locks horns with Mexican Romulo Koaischa this Saturday night but victory would pave the way to potential big fights with the likes of Guillermo Rigondeaux, Nicholas Walters and a potential rematch with Orlando Salido.
“It’s hard to say why the Rigo fight hasn’t happened but right now there’s a lot of people talking, hopefully we can meet and talk but I’m sure that bout will happen,” revealed the Double Olympic Champion, speaking to FightHub through a translator.
On a potential dust up with the big punching Jamaican ‘Axe Man’ Nicholas Walters, Loma was less than convinced a fight could be made despite the pair sharing the same promoter.
“As far as I know, he’s at a different weight class. After November 7 we can talk about it, I would like to fight him. It would be a good fight for the fans.”
Ukrainian Lomachenko insisted despite big fights in the pipeline, he’s fully focused on up and coming opponent Koaischa.
“We know what he’s going to do, I am ready for him.”
Watch Vasyl Lomachenko defend his WBO World Featherweight Title against Romulo Koaischa on the Bradley v Rios bill, live on BoxNation this Saturday.
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TR suit claims it tried to sign Wilder (2/15), Thurman (10/14), Maidana (2014). Says Broner met with Arum at his house in 2013 to talk deal.
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Suit claims Broner was interested in signing with TR but Arum was told he could not because Haymon would not allow his fighter to be with TR
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TR suit claims it tried to sign Wilder (2/15), Thurman (10/14), Maidana (2014). Says Broner met with Arum at his house in 2013 to talk deal.
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Suit claims Broner was interested in signing with TR but Arum was told he could not because Haymon would not allow his fighter to be with TR
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TR suit also cites other free-agent Haymon fighters it tried to sign: Lamont Peterson (2013), Mares (2014), Errol Spence (2012).
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TR suit also cites other free-agent Haymon fighters it tried to sign: Lamont Peterson (2013), Mares (2014), Errol Spence (2012).
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TR suit also cites other free-agent Haymon fighters it tried to sign: Lamont Peterson (2013), Mares (2014), Errol Spence (2012).
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TR suit also cites other free-agent Haymon fighters it tried to sign: Lamont Peterson (2013), Mares (2014), Errol Spence (2012).
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From suit: 'As these examples make abundantly clear, Haymon’s long-term
contracts with Championship-Caliber Boxers function, (more)
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in practice, as exclusive,exclusionary deals as to Top Rank."
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From suit: 'As these examples make abundantly clear, Haymon’s long-term
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in practice, as exclusive,exclusionary deals as to Top Rank."
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Fans want to see p4p fighters challenge themselves, and so do promoters and networks. All boxing superstars have challenged themselves and moved up in weight classes, won, and were being taken care of by the networks and promoters. Even Andre Wards' new contract show's what fighters have to do to get big money, fights, and support from networks. Rigo needs to move up in weight and has always expressed he didn't want to move up, so why would HBO continue to support him? TR viewed it as a lose lose and they let him go, too.
Rigo's problems have nothing to do with weight. This year has all been contract issues.
Plenty of guys never move up and some guys move down (Shawn porter started at 168 and just fought Broner at 143). Carl Froch stayed at 168 his entire career and was constantly one of the biggest names in the UK, he sold 80,000 tickets against Groves for crying out loud. Bernard Hopkins stayed at middleweight until he was 41 years old, Marvin Hagler never moved at all. It really fucking bothers me that there is this weird obsession with moving up in weight, probably because Mayweather and Pacquiao did it since they turned pro at young ages and were super small and still growing. Rigondeaux turned pro at age 29, he's fully grown and is actually small for the weight class he's in. He's not growing. Further, look what moving up in weight did for Gamboa (bad decision!). Not everyone is Pacquiao man and not everyone needs to be.
Plenty of guys never move up and some guys move down (Shawn porter started at 168 and just fought Broner at 143). Carl Froch stayed at 168 his entire career and was constantly one of the biggest names in the UK, he sold 80,000 tickets against Groves for crying out loud. Bernard Hopkins stayed at middleweight until he was 41 years old, Marvin Hagler never moved at all. It really fucking bothers me that there is this weird obsession with moving up in weight, probably because Mayweather and Pacquiao did it since they turned pro at young ages and were super small and still growing. Rigondeaux turned pro at age 29, he's fully grown and is actually small for the weight class he's in. He's not growing. Further, look what moving up in weight did for Gamboa (bad decision!). Not everyone is Pacquiao man and not everyone needs to be.
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Or Calzaghe who fought his entire career @ SMW until the end when he took 2 big money fights. Or Hamed who did nothing but campaign at feather his entire HBO career. Or Hatton, or if we want to go less British how about the ever popular KO artist Malignaggi who campaigned strictly @ 140 while fighting on HBO.
HBO didn't get behind him cause Top Rank didn't after he clowned Donaire, who they were expecting to be their next Filipino gold mine.
HBO didn't get behind him cause Top Rank didn't after he clowned Donaire, who they were expecting to be their next Filipino gold mine.
Bob Arum flat out said he didn't know how to promote him. Arum is really good at promoting guys based on their nationality, Mexicans, Puerto Ricans and white/black Americans. If a fighter doesn't have that kind of fan base already in place Arum doesn't know what to do. He's so ancient he only sees things as race like it's still the 1920's where ever race is fighting each other lol.
But with that said, Arum let Rigondeaux go and that would have been fine, Rigo could have signed with someone else but at the same time he's been trying to get rid of Hyde and Caribe so that's why Haymon or Golden Boy or whomever couldn't/wouldn't sign him. Once he gets all that shit taken care of the fights wi come.
But with that said, Arum let Rigondeaux go and that would have been fine, Rigo could have signed with someone else but at the same time he's been trying to get rid of Hyde and Caribe so that's why Haymon or Golden Boy or whomever couldn't/wouldn't sign him. Once he gets all that shit taken care of the fights wi come.
Sugar Ray Leonard, Holyfield, ODH, Floyd, Manny, Cotto are all big time superstar boxers based on the fact that they were willing to move up in weight classes. Once you move up the promoters and the networks can make more buyable fights to present to us. Rigo's issues have more to deal with how he wanted his career to pan out vs how realistically speaking there was poor viewership whenever he fought. HBO wasn't mad that he beat Donaire, they were mad that he didn't finish him when he could have.
The "obsession" of a fighter moving up in weight is to make the fights that make the most money, and for us is to enjoy. It's not that serious, but earlier this year he could have made good money fighting Loma and he stood his ground but now he's the victim? He's at the tail-end of his career, he should go out there and make that money
The "obsession" of a fighter moving up in weight is to make the fights that make the most money, and for us is to enjoy. It's not that serious, but earlier this year he could have made good money fighting Loma and he stood his ground but now he's the victim? He's at the tail-end of his career, he should go out there and make that money
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That's just not true. Sugar Ray spent his entire career at welterweight and became an absolute star there. He came out of retirement to fight Hagler at MW and then jumped around for like 2 years before dropping off completely. To say he was a super star boxer because of his ability to move up just isn't true.
Holyfield fought in a division that never really made any money and did what every single viable crusierweight ends up doing and one point or another and that's go to heavyweight. He was a superstar because of his style and era that he fought in.
Cotto became a star at welterweight and not because of his ability to jump through divisions. Cotto fought at 140 until his body couldn't make 140 anymore then he fought at welter and would've likely stayed there had he not had to go in career resurgence mode.
ODH would've been a star wherever he fought at. Dude had tremendous hype behind him from the gold medal and being Mexican/America. His ability to move up sure helped, but no way was it the only reason.
Holyfield fought in a division that never really made any money and did what every single viable crusierweight ends up doing and one point or another and that's go to heavyweight. He was a superstar because of his style and era that he fought in.
Cotto became a star at welterweight and not because of his ability to jump through divisions. Cotto fought at 140 until his body couldn't make 140 anymore then he fought at welter and would've likely stayed there had he not had to go in career resurgence mode.
ODH would've been a star wherever he fought at. Dude had tremendous hype behind him from the gold medal and being Mexican/America. His ability to move up sure helped, but no way was it the only reason.
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How exactly did Rigondeaux want his career to pan out? Rigondeaux just wanted to fight, he was never a diva and said no to anyone, he took on an relatively unknown Thai and Japanese fighter after Donaire and Joseph Agbeko and never complained. He didn't complain about not fighting on HBO and would have continued to do so if not for his management/promotional issues this year. The issues your talking about aren't issues at all, you're talking more about his popularity than anything else from what it seems like.
Boxing isn't just about making the most money possible, it's a sport. Not everyone is a superstar. Also the Loma situation had more to do with his management and promotional issues, he said he would go up in weight in fact but he can't make a fight with Bob Arum if he's going through contract issues on his end. Again, all of his issues are contract related. As far as I know, he was waiting until September until his contract expires and then sign with Haymon, but as it turned out it wasn't that simple and the leaches he's with claim he's still under contract and won't let him go, so there is a legal battle.
Boxing isn't just about making the most money possible, it's a sport. Not everyone is a superstar. Also the Loma situation had more to do with his management and promotional issues, he said he would go up in weight in fact but he can't make a fight with Bob Arum if he's going through contract issues on his end. Again, all of his issues are contract related. As far as I know, he was waiting until September until his contract expires and then sign with Haymon, but as it turned out it wasn't that simple and the leaches he's with claim he's still under contract and won't let him go, so there is a legal battle.