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And you ran with Duva's word. How did that turn out? Don't shoot the messenger.



It does add up. They said FUCK YOU and he had to go elsewhere. And besides, he wanted to help his company so it was a no brainer at that point.



Duva and Hopkins are full of shit.



2/3 to 1/3. Then he comes back and says he wants 75% of all the bread and he does so because the fight is taking place in america, not Canada and he is the bigger draw in america. Again, this is according to Stevenson's camp. And remember, Michel was the same guy who EXPOSED Duva and Sho when ALL of you guys, every single one of you, were saying Stevenson was ducking Kovalev. 100% FALSE when the emails outlining the contracts, the bids, the stipulations HBO wanted, the money they were offering (pennies), etc. Now all of a sudden it's "Don't trust Michel?" Well who the fuck are you guys trusting? A guy that is partnered with a cross dressing coke head? A woman who has a history of lying?



It's not absurd. They have gone on the record and stated that he NEVER told them. Now if they are going on the record saying this, and they have a track record of telling the truth, where is YOUR PROOF that he did tell them? Oh you don't have it.

BHOP is a liar, bro. Just accept it. You all talked shit about Stevenson and the fact is the guy NEVER ducked anyone, tried to make the fights, etc. Then when you guys see that ducking shit no longer works you point the finger at Al Haymon.

And how do we know this all wasn't a big fuck you to Al Haymon from the start? It seems that way considering the tension he and GBP had for a while.

Wake the fuck up people.

And once again, Stevenson beats Kovalev, Kovalev beats Hopkins, Hopkins beats Stevenson. But now Hopkins punk ass is dropping in weight to face a "champion" and if it's Ward he's a bigger liar than I thought as he was always saying he would never fight him.

Ok here we go. HERESY quoting Yvon Michel as 100% proof even though he wasn't even in the loop in negotiating (it was Golden Boy and Haymon doing the talking).

And why do you think Duva filed a lawsuit against Stevenson and Haymon in the first place? Was it for shits & giggles? LOL! Obviously there was truth into her claims or she's not going to go to the extreme levels of litigation.

Yeah, HBO didn't match Showtimes offer of an ABSURD $2million + for a tune-up, big shock there as that was a complete waste of money, so nothing was exposed. The only thing that was exposed was Stevenson ran over to Showtime when the Kovalev fight was hot and then Haymon screwed up the Hopkins deal. That's all there is to it. Again, Hopkins would have DOUBLED his money at least fighting Stevenson. He wants that retirement money, trust me. Hopkins doesn't make any profits from his tiny stake in Golden Boy (less than 5%) and never has. In fact, when the stuff went down with Oscar & Richard, Hopkins made it clear it didn't matter what happened as long as he gets the big fights/big paydays whether that's from Showtime, Golden Boy, Al Haymon, whatever.

So go ahead and go back to your EA Sports forum thread (lol) and copy & paste some more "info" for us telling us how your boy Stevenson, Fighter of the Year fighting tomato cans has been in the right all along and he's just so darn unfortunate that the most powerful man in boxing can't land him any big fights.

 

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30th July, 2014 - Kathy Duva contacts HBO, who in turn contacted Golden Boy, to warn them that if Al Haymon's fighter (Thomas Williams Jr.) defeats Gabriel Campillo on the 1st August, he would be in a position to fight Nadjib Mohammedi for the vacant IBF light heavyweight title, assuming that Hopkins is forced to vacate his IBF belt if he doesn't agree to face either the mandatory challenger or engage in a unification bout by the 1st August deadline date.

This is the most important part of the timeline you put up @HERESY . This forced BHop to make a quick and smart decision. It let's it be known that HBO even knew what's going on with the deadline. Even better question for you, why wouldn't Haymon know what's going on with one of his fighters? If he does his job right, which he was trying to do in a shady way, he was doing what it took to increase his fighters' chances of getting a title. So how we he not know about the deadline if it is in the best interest of his fighters?

Pretty absurd to think the most powerful manager in boxing has no clue that the IBF, who is the strictest of the bunch enforcing mandatories, about when the deadline would be. That's really where HERSEY (well actually it's some dude on EA Sports forum's argument) falls apart.

Here is the link to where HERSEY is copy & pasting everything from:
EA Forums. It's literally an argument between two random dudes who play EA Sports Fight Night Champion who keep going back and forth saying, "dude I totally pwned you!" "no bro, I owned you so hard!"

 

[battle619]

HERESY has BEEN known to be a copy &paste king. All that's being said is Haymon DOES his best for HIS fighters, but it's not for the sport of boxing.

 

[HERESY]

Cuz that's the "chess move" BHop is referring to. How about this,What would you do if you were Bernard's shoes? He was backing up Al 100% until Al was stalling on finalizing the fight, which would have forced BHop to vacate his title to benefit another Haymon fighter. You think Haymon was informing BHop on his plans to get his fighters better opportunities?

How the fuck was Al Haymon stalling the fight when BHOP was asking for 75% of the money? Stevenson's camp said they had everything in place pretty much and then BHOP came back and started demanding more money. Oh, and yesterday I read that BHOP did NOT want to agree to the TESTING demands Stevensons camp was asking for.

Again, you're failing to answer the questions because your hatred for Al Haymon runs deep.

30th July, 2014 - Kathy Duva contacts HBO, who in turn contacted Golden Boy, to warn them that if Al Haymon's fighter (Thomas Williams Jr.) defeats Gabriel Campillo on the 1st August, he would be in a position to fight Nadjib Mohammedi for the vacant IBF light heavyweight title, assuming that Hopkins is forced to vacate his IBF belt if he doesn't agree to face either the mandatory challenger or engage in a unification bout by the 1st August deadline date.

This is the most important part of the timeline you put up @HERESY . This forced BHop to make a quick and smart decision. It let's it be known that HBO even knew what's going on with the deadline. Even better question for you, why wouldn't Haymon know what's going on with one of his fighters? If he does his job right, which he was trying to do in a shady way, he was doing what it took to increase his fighters' chances of getting a title. So how we he not know about the deadline if it is in the best interest of his fighters?

For some reason you and 206 are failing to read. According to Stevensons camp he did not tell him W-H-E-N the deadline was. Do I need to type it again? W-H-E-N. The ONLY thing, and I repeat, THE ONLY THING the media knew, or anyone outside of Hopkins knew and the IBF knew, which I POSTED if you fools would have read is that the IBF gave him a START date for the deadline. Again, START DATE. Meaning "Hopkins, you have to START negotiating from THIS DATE." Why the FUCK are you fools failing to read that when I posted it? According to Stevensons camp, he gave no END DATE. Do you muthafuckas not comprehend that shit? Goddamn it.

 

[HERESY]

HERESY has BEEN known to be a copy &paste king. All that's being said is Haymon DOES his best for HIS fighters, but it's not for the sport of boxing.

And you are known to not know shit about boxing. I have to copy and paste for people like you because your reading comprehension skills are subpar. See, there is a difference between cutting and pasting, passing the info off as mine (which I didn't do) and cutting and pasting and citing the source (which I did do.)

Stay in school, kid. You'll learn a lot.

 

[HERESY]

Pretty absurd to think the most powerful manager in boxing has no clue that the IBF, who is the strictest of the bunch enforcing mandatories, about when the deadline would be. That's really where HERSEY (well actually it's some dude on EA Sports forum's argument) falls apart.

here we go again,

Here is the link to where HERSEY is copy & pasting everything from:
EA Forums. It's literally an argument between two random dudes who play EA Sports Fight Night Champion who keep going back and forth saying, "dude I totally pwned you!" "no bro, I owned you so hard!"

I told you where it came from. SCROLL BACK AND READ. And then I saw it on another form where people were debating it and I looked into it. EVERYTHING checks out. The dates AND the videos. You think it's just on a sports forum? Did the statement from Michel come from an EA sports forum? What you're saying is confirmation bias and a fallacy at best. Is the information ACCURATE? YES! So who gives a fuck where it came from as long as it checks out?

Post #21555.

 

[HERESY]

Ok here we go. HERESY quoting Yvon Michel as 100% proof even though he wasn't even in the loop in negotiating (it was Golden Boy and Haymon doing the talking).

And you guys were quoting Duva who was involved in the negotiations between Kovalev and Stevenson and how did that turn out?

And why do you think Duva filed a lawsuit against Stevenson and Haymon in the first place? Was it for shits & giggles? LOL! Obviously there was truth into her claims or she's not going to go to the extreme levels of litigation.

WTF are you crazy? Do you know how many people go to extreme shit because they want money? They had no deal, PERIOD, and she would have lost. Stevenson's camp already put up the paperwork. Duva showed NOTHING.

Yeah, HBO didn't match Showtimes offer of an ABSURD $2million + for a tune-up, big shock there as that was a complete waste of money, so nothing was exposed.

Did you see what the hell they were offering the two guys? RAPE! Stevenson's camp wasn't looking for $2 million for a tune up. WTF are you talking about?

The only thing that was exposed was Stevenson ran over to Showtime when the Kovalev fight was hot and then Haymon screwed up the Hopkins deal.

So why the hell did he go back to HBO with the offer?

That's all there is to it. Again, Hopkins would have DOUBLED his money at least fighting Stevenson. He wants that retirement money, trust me. Hopkins doesn't make any profits from his tiny stake in Golden Boy (less than 5%) and never has. In fact, when the stuff went down with Oscar & Richard, Hopkins made it clear it didn't matter what happened as long as he gets the big fights/big paydays whether that's from Showtime, Golden Boy, Al Haymon, whatever.

It didn't matter to him yet he clearly says he is fighting so the litigation won't happen, lol.

So go ahead and go back to your EA Sports forum thread (lol) and copy & paste some more "info" for us telling us how your boy Stevenson, Fighter of the Year fighting tomato cans has been in the right all along and he's just so darn unfortunate that the most powerful man in boxing can't land him any big fights.

There you go again. You wouldn't even have anything if I never told you were I got the info from but I told you PAGES AGO. Does the info line up? Yes. Can it be easily researched on the net? Yes. Do the videos tell the truth? Yes. So who gives a shit where it comes from? Is it FACTUAL and does it hold up to the tests? Yes, nothing else matters. And guess what? Even the guy who was on the site DISPUTING the info kept sidestepping it! He's doing the SAME SHIT you and that fool battle are, lol.

 

[HERESY]

Boxing News | Stevenson camp claims Hopkins was too greedy

Is that from an EA forum? You want me to post the rest of the shit that adds up?

Stop with the fallacies man.

 

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Boxing News | Stevenson camp claims Hopkins was too greedy

Is that from an EA forum? You want me to post the rest of the shit that adds up?

Stop with the fallacies man.

Yes thank you for posting a link to something Yvon Michel said, whom wasn't even negotiating with Golden Boy! We covered this.

 

[HERESY]

Yes thank you for posting a link to something Yvon Michel said, whom wasn't even negotiating with Golden Boy! We covered this.

It doesn't matter! Duva was involved in negotiations and we all know that shit turned out to be a farce.

 

[HERESY]

Don King made a point once ... some promoter got caught doing some illegal poo and all the interviewer (I think it was Jim Rome) was trying to do is pin some guilt on King. Don King said something like "How is it that you have found this guy doing something illegal, but he's not the story? Instead, you are trying to focus on me." Paraphrase.

That's how I feel about all this Haymon hate. Boxing fans and announcers have submitted to corruption by commission, belt organization and established promoters. However, some people are trying to portray Haymon as this boogeyman. How about we fix the things we ALL KNOW are fucked up before we focus on Haymon?

It's like the idiots who ignore blatant government corruption while searching for the Illuminati.

This shit is applicable to all of you Al Haymon haters on this forum.

But this guy sums it up well:

Al Haymon was one of the named parties involved in the Main Events lawsuit and there is no doubt whatsoever that he personally would have benefited greatly from Hopkins removing any perceived damages by agreeing to fight Sergey Kovalev instead of Adonis Stevenson.

Kathy Duva’s lawsuit claimed that Al Haymon was working to “wrest control” of Golden Boy, as well as operating as a manager and promoter in violation of the federal Muhammad Ali Act.

In fact, Bernard Hopkins also benefitted from forcing Main Events to drop the same lawsuit, because he is a partner and a shareholder in Golden Boy Promotions, which were also one of the named parties.

Put it this way, if it wasn’t Bernard Hopkins’ main agenda to face Sergey Kovalev in order to force Main Events to drop their lawsuit (even though he blatantly and repeatedly takes credit for it in multiple videos), then perhaps Al Haymon was procrastinating on purpose during the Stevenson negotiation process to compel him to do so, because he knew that the veteran wouldn’t be dumb enough to vacate his title and take a small payday against some other anonymous fighter.

Adonis Stevenson, Al Haymon, Richard Schaefer, Yvon Michel, Groupe Yvon Michel, Golden Boy Promotions and Showtime were all the named parties in the lawsuit that was filed and subsequently dropped by Main Events, which alleged breach of contract, breach of fiduciary duty, fraud, tortious interference and interference with prospective economic advantage.

Every single one of these parties, including Bernard Hopkins (by proxy of being a GBP shareholder), would have gained from ‘The Alien’ fighting Sergey Kovalev.

Therefore, I doubt that there was actually any real genuine attempt to negotiate a bout between Hopkins and Stevenson… and I don’t know if this political manoeuvring was orchestrated solely by Haymon or Hopkins... or if they were acting in collusion.

http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=185476

BHOP is a liar. Just like I said.

 

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This shit is applicable to all of you Al Haymon haters on this forum.

But this guy sums it up well:



http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=185476

BHOP is a liar. Just like I said.

Copy & Paste King! This is just a different forum but the same guy as the EA forum you dolt lol same dude, man.

So in this guy you quote, it says "then perhaps Al Haymon was procrastinating on purpose during the Stevenson negotiation process to compel him to do so, because he knew that the veteran wouldn’t be dumb enough to vacate his title and take a small payday against some other anonymous fighter."

Even this guy is saying Haymon was procrastinating, which is what I've been saying. So if this is some elaborate game of cat & mouse, seeing which side will budge first, this still shows that Haymon screwed Stevenson out of the Bhop fight by procrastinating for so long and dropping the ball when he could have secured the fight long ago, instead playing games trying to earn more leverage to squeeze out a few more bucks.

 

[HERESY]

Copy & Paste King! This is just a different forum but the same guy as the EA forum you dolt lol "fergusg" same dude, man.

It doesn't matter. Is the information accurate? YES! You don't want info from an EA forum there is info on a boxing forum (even though the EA forum was dedicated to the game and boxing in general.)

So in this guy you quote, it says "then perhaps Al Haymon was procrastinating on purpose during the Stevenson negotiation process to compel him to do so, because he knew that the veteran wouldn’t be dumb enough to vacate his title and take a small payday against some other anonymous fighter."

You see the second underlined? Wouldn't be dumb enough. BHOP's entire madness is "they thought I was gonna drop the belt." LMAO!

Even this guy is saying Haymon was procrastinating, which is what I've been saying. So if this is some elaborate game of cat & mouse, seeing which side will budge first, this still shows that Haymon screwed Stevenson out of the Bhop fight by procrastinating for so long.

No, it shows BHOP is a DUMMY, which I said pages ago, because he got played. Less money and now NO LITIGATION against Haymon, Stevenson and team, etc.

Well played Al Haymon, well played!

:classic:

 

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yeah well played in that Stevenson lost out on a big payday, huge Canadian fight in Hopkins because his manager was playing games? I'm sure Stevenson is just thrilled he's without a dance partner...again. Manager of the year, tho :dead:

 

[HERESY]

yeah well played in that Stevenson lost out on a big payday, huge Canadian fight in Hopkins because his manager was playing games? I'm sure Stevenson is just thrilled he's without a dance partner...again. Manager of the year, tho :dead:

Hopkins didn't want the fight in Canada and wanted more money because he was a bigger draw here. Like Michel said, 2015 will be the year everything goes down.

 

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Hopkins didn't want the fight in Canada and wanted more money because he was a bigger draw here. Like Michel said, 2015 will be the year everything goes down.

That makes no sense whatsoever because he fought Pascal two times in Canada and each event was a huge financial success and made Hopkins much more money than if he fought in the states. In fact, after the Pascal fights he wanted Bute in Canada because he knew the money was much better. Likewise, he wanted Stevenson over Kovalev for the same reason (he only made a million and some change against Kovalev so that kills the argument right there. He made waaaaay less money fighting Kovalev.).

Going back to the guy on the forum(s) he has two basic premises that you have to believe in order to take seriously: 1). Hopkins wanted to make less money and 2). Everything Yvon said is 100% true. This is why you haven't seen any boxing writers, any credible boxing sources say any of this stuff because that would be pure speculation (just like the dude said, "PERHAPS" this is what happened..."). So you basically you found one guy on an internet forum making assumptions based on whatever biased opinion he already had set in his mind and you ran with it.

Again, trust me. If Hopkins could make double the money against Stevenson, and that certainly would have been the case, he would have done it. The negotiations were stalling, he was about to be stripped and rather than wait he took Kovalev. Again, regardless of the motives, there is only one person to blame if you're Stevenson - his manager - for not getting the fight done. They had the opportunity and blew it.

 

[battle619]

@HERESY I answered your question already. I said BHop figured out what Haymon was trying to do and had no choice but to switch up. Now, you never answered my question on what would you do if you were in BHop's shoes?

And as far as Stevenson returning the deal back to HBO, Haymon knew HBO wouldn't deal with Stevenson as long as Haymon is his manager/adviser. Win for Haymon, now a loss for Stevenson. Haymon is doing the samething with JCC Jr. If JCC does jump ship to Showtime and TR let's him go, he will only have 1 buyable ppv fight and that's Froch. If he' stayed with HBO the rest of his career would be PPV's.

 

[heyzel]

Al Haymons Master Plan: Is boxing’s ‘Cold War’ only just beginning?
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By Robert Morris: With news that Al Haymon is taking his entourage of fighters off Premium Cable TV (Showtime, HBO, etc.) and onto Network TV (NBC) in early 2015, how do we see boxing panning out in the New Year?

Well, with Bernard Hopkins’ heroic performance against Sergey Kovalev last weekend and rumours of Canelo Alvarez potentially facing Miguel Cotto next year; it would seem the cracks are beginning to show in boxing’s proverbial ‘Cold War’ (Golden Boy/Showtime vs. Top Rank/HBO)!

To clarify, both Hopkins and Alvarez are Golden Boy fighters. Up until last weekend a Golden Boy fighter hadn’t appeared on HBO since Hopkins faced Tavoris Cloud in March 2013.

Ironically, it was Hopkins who broke that mould with his recent performance against Kovalev Saturday night. Furthermore, Alvarez has been rumoured to face Cotto in 2015, which if happens will be televised on HBO as Alvarez has signed a new multi-fight contract with them.

Surely this means boxing’s ‘Cold War’ is over, right? Wrong! Although both Hopkins and Alvarez are Golden Boy fighters, neither are advised by Haymon. We have not seen a Haymon fighter in a meaningful fight on HBO for some time, and there does not seem to be anything in the pipeline to suggest otherwise.

The pool of Golden Boy talent is actually extremely limited when you take any Haymon affiliated fighters out of the equation, and according to Kathy Duva, we can. “He’s [Haymon] promised NBC that he’s going to take his fighters off premium cable… he’s going to put Showtime and HBO out of the puzzle and he’s going to do away with pay-per-view and create an over-the-top network.” Bob Arum also noted that Richard Schaefer is “gutting [Golden Boy] by transferring in effect fighters who are Golden Boy fighters to Haymon.” This is why Richard Schaefer isn’t CEO of Golden Boy Promotions anymore and relationships between Oscar De Le Hoya and Haymon appear strained.

So where does this leave us for what we can expect to see in 2015? Well anyone who thinks boxing’s ‘Cold War’ is nearing a close has been seriously misguided. It has merely taking on a new persona, one that pits Golden Boy/Top Rank/HBO/Showtime vs. Al Haymon/NBC!

A final puzzlement which piques my sense of intrigue; is now that the ever elusive Haymon appears to be distancing himself from Golden Boy, who will he use to (officially) promote his fighters on NBC? It appears Richard Schaefer will be out of the picture until his Golden Boy contract ends in March 2018, leaving us with Mayweather Promotions or a variety of lesser renowned promoters as possibilities.

Perhaps a more alluring, even bold, suggestion could be that the audacious Al Haymon intends to promote those he ‘advises’ on NBC himself? How though, I hear you asking? Haymon is a manager, and the ‘Muhammad Ali Boxing Reform Act’ prevents managers from promoting and vice versa. This is where the genius of Haymon really starts to shine through. He is in fact technically not a ‘manager’ but as I’m sure your already aware an ‘advisor’, which would lawfully allow him to promote those he advises if he so wished.

2015 will certainly be an interesting year, if nothing else, within the boxing world, and how the political landscape begins to unravel within this world will certainly be a case of watch this space

 

[heyzel]

Al Haymons Master Plan: Is boxing’s ‘Cold War’ only just beginning?
date November 14th, 2014 | Post Comment - 34 Comments

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By Robert Morris: With news that Al Haymon is taking his entourage of fighters off Premium Cable TV (Showtime, HBO, etc.) and onto Network TV (NBC) in early 2015, how do we see boxing panning out in the New Year?

Well, with Bernard Hopkins’ heroic performance against Sergey Kovalev last weekend and rumours of Canelo Alvarez potentially facing Miguel Cotto next year; it would seem the cracks are beginning to show in boxing’s proverbial ‘Cold War’ (Golden Boy/Showtime vs. Top Rank/HBO)!

To clarify, both Hopkins and Alvarez are Golden Boy fighters. Up until last weekend a Golden Boy fighter hadn’t appeared on HBO since Hopkins faced Tavoris Cloud in March 2013.

Ironically, it was Hopkins who broke that mould with his recent performance against Kovalev Saturday night. Furthermore, Alvarez has been rumoured to face Cotto in 2015, which if happens will be televised on HBO as Alvarez has signed a new multi-fight contract with them.

Surely this means boxing’s ‘Cold War’ is over, right? Wrong! Although both Hopkins and Alvarez are Golden Boy fighters, neither are advised by Haymon. We have not seen a Haymon fighter in a meaningful fight on HBO for some time, and there does not seem to be anything in the pipeline to suggest otherwise.

The pool of Golden Boy talent is actually extremely limited when you take any Haymon affiliated fighters out of the equation, and according to Kathy Duva, we can. “He’s [Haymon] promised NBC that he’s going to take his fighters off premium cable… he’s going to put Showtime and HBO out of the puzzle and he’s going to do away with pay-per-view and create an over-the-top network.” Bob Arum also noted that Richard Schaefer is “gutting [Golden Boy] by transferring in effect fighters who are Golden Boy fighters to Haymon.” This is why Richard Schaefer isn’t CEO of Golden Boy Promotions anymore and relationships between Oscar De Le Hoya and Haymon appear strained.

So where does this leave us for what we can expect to see in 2015? Well anyone who thinks boxing’s ‘Cold War’ is nearing a close has been seriously misguided. It has merely taking on a new persona, one that pits Golden Boy/Top Rank/HBO/Showtime vs. Al Haymon/NBC!

A final puzzlement which piques my sense of intrigue; is now that the ever elusive Haymon appears to be distancing himself from Golden Boy, who will he use to (officially) promote his fighters on NBC? It appears Richard Schaefer will be out of the picture until his Golden Boy contract ends in March 2018, leaving us with Mayweather Promotions or a variety of lesser renowned promoters as possibilities.

Perhaps a more alluring, even bold, suggestion could be that the audacious Al Haymon intends to promote those he ‘advises’ on NBC himself? How though, I hear you asking? Haymon is a manager, and the ‘Muhammad Ali Boxing Reform Act’ prevents managers from promoting and vice versa. This is where the genius of Haymon really starts to shine through. He is in fact technically not a ‘manager’ but as I’m sure your already aware an ‘advisor’, which would lawfully allow him to promote those he advises if he so wished.

2015 will certainly be an interesting year, if nothing else, within the boxing world, and how the political landscape begins to unravel within this world will certainly be a case of watch this space

 

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Need a cease fire from HERESY for a moment lol

So Briggs tried to sneak into the Klitschko weigh in today wearing a "disguise". He was quickly identified and kicked-out before getting to close to the stage