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hell yeah, that's what hbo gets for wasting money on alexander, bradley, etc. everyone knew it was a bad matchup plus it wasn't even on the eastcoast, hardly no promotion either. That's a textbook example of how to screw up a fight.
If it was on the eastcoast and on regular HBO, would have had great ratings and sold much more tickets. HBO didn't have the money to pay the licensing fees and whatnot, so they had to try and flip it as a PPV.
If it was on the eastcoast and on regular HBO, would have had great ratings and sold much more tickets. HBO didn't have the money to pay the licensing fees and whatnot, so they had to try and flip it as a PPV.
here's a little break down from dan's chat today of where all the PPV money goes, kinda interesting:
can you give us a breakdown of who gets the 78m?
Dan Rafael
You are talking about the gross for the Mayweather-Ortiz PPV. About half goes to the cable distributors, so lop off 39 million from the $78 million PPV gross. Mayweather got his guarantee from Golden Boy on the night of the fight, as I recall $25 million. Ortiz's side got its guarantee, which was about $2.5 million. The rest of the roughly 11.5 million went to pay all expenses on the show (including the undercard, marketing, media tour, insurance, etc...). HBO PPV takes its roughly 7% cut also. Golden Boy gets paid as well whatever its fee was plus whatever upside it may have had. Then the rest would go to Mayweather and a smaller percentage to Ortiz depending on what his upside was in his contract. Keep in mind, there was other revenue also that went into the pot -- the closed circuit money (including the movie theaters), the money HBO paid for the delayed broadcast rights, the money from television sales outside the US, the $9 million or so from the live gate (ticket sales to the arena), millions from sponsors and merchandise (T-shirts, programs, posters etc...). Floyd made tons of cash.
can you give us a breakdown of who gets the 78m?
Dan Rafael
You are talking about the gross for the Mayweather-Ortiz PPV. About half goes to the cable distributors, so lop off 39 million from the $78 million PPV gross. Mayweather got his guarantee from Golden Boy on the night of the fight, as I recall $25 million. Ortiz's side got its guarantee, which was about $2.5 million. The rest of the roughly 11.5 million went to pay all expenses on the show (including the undercard, marketing, media tour, insurance, etc...). HBO PPV takes its roughly 7% cut also. Golden Boy gets paid as well whatever its fee was plus whatever upside it may have had. Then the rest would go to Mayweather and a smaller percentage to Ortiz depending on what his upside was in his contract. Keep in mind, there was other revenue also that went into the pot -- the closed circuit money (including the movie theaters), the money HBO paid for the delayed broadcast rights, the money from television sales outside the US, the $9 million or so from the live gate (ticket sales to the arena), millions from sponsors and merchandise (T-shirts, programs, posters etc...). Floyd made tons of cash.
You're saying Bradley Vs. Alexander was a bad matchup when it was booked? It was one of the best fights that could've been made in the division at the time. At that point people were going back and forth on the rankings of 1-3 with Bradley, Alexander & Khan and it was at worse a fight between 2 top 3 ranked fighters in their divisions.
Regardless of how the fight turned out, it was one of the best fights that could've been booked at 140lbs without a doubt. I think the guarantee of ridiculous money after the fight regardless of future opponent is what really hurt.
Regardless of how the fight turned out, it was one of the best fights that could've been booked at 140lbs without a doubt. I think the guarantee of ridiculous money after the fight regardless of future opponent is what really hurt.
Mayweather is clearly the bigger draw, just look at the numbers from their common opponents and that'll tell you.
Floyd vs Oscar out sold Manny vs Oscar
Floyd vs Ricky out sold Manny vs Ricky
Floyd vs Shane out sold Manny vs Shane
Floyd vs JMM out sold Manny vs JMM (both fights)
So when it's time to negotiate the split, it should 55/45 in favor of Mayweather since it's been proven who the bigger draw is. Hopefully if they negotiate to fight, team Pacquiao won't overprice themselves out of the fight talkin' about a 50/50 split.
If Pacquiao accepts the blood test (that Shane and Victoria both accepted), let him do his regular training in the phillipines then at wild card gym.
I think we're going to have a fight, since Mayweather has kept quiet and hasn't gotten in any other trouble.
Floyd vs Oscar out sold Manny vs Oscar
Floyd vs Ricky out sold Manny vs Ricky
Floyd vs Shane out sold Manny vs Shane
Floyd vs JMM out sold Manny vs JMM (both fights)
So when it's time to negotiate the split, it should 55/45 in favor of Mayweather since it's been proven who the bigger draw is. Hopefully if they negotiate to fight, team Pacquiao won't overprice themselves out of the fight talkin' about a 50/50 split.
If Pacquiao accepts the blood test (that Shane and Victoria both accepted), let him do his regular training in the phillipines then at wild card gym.
I think we're going to have a fight, since Mayweather has kept quiet and hasn't gotten in any other trouble.
No. Even though they spent well over $5 million for that fight in fees, promotion, etc. it was a fight people wanted to see.
What was bad was guaranteeing both the winner AND loser 1.3 million for their next fight, so Alexander got $1.3 million to fight Matthysse. HBO invested around $10 million in both those guys for the year, which is a big chunk of their budget, which is a big reason why Hopkins-Dawson ended up on PPV, rather than on regular HBO which everyone wanted.
What was bad was guaranteeing both the winner AND loser 1.3 million for their next fight, so Alexander got $1.3 million to fight Matthysse. HBO invested around $10 million in both those guys for the year, which is a big chunk of their budget, which is a big reason why Hopkins-Dawson ended up on PPV, rather than on regular HBO which everyone wanted.
Oscar was bigger than Floyd & Pac will ever be. His numbers were as big as Mike Tyson, if not bigger overall, so that's totally different.
Oscar MADE floyd into a star. He MADE Pacquiao into a star.
When you're talking about floyd vs pac numbers you're talking about a 100,000 or so difference in PPV buys. Totally different with Oscar because Floyd & Pac were never PPV draws until they fought Oscar, he was by far the biggest PPV attraction since Mike Tyson.
Oscar MADE floyd into a star. He MADE Pacquiao into a star.
When you're talking about floyd vs pac numbers you're talking about a 100,000 or so difference in PPV buys. Totally different with Oscar because Floyd & Pac were never PPV draws until they fought Oscar, he was by far the biggest PPV attraction since Mike Tyson.
Floyd and Pacquiao were already stars before they fought Oscar, I don't see how Oscar "MADE" both of them into stars... they weren't huge pay per view attractions up until that point in their careers but still.... they were already stars. So don't give Oscar too much credit, he couldn't sell Pay Per Views by himself....
And Floyd did his part by making 24/7 to what it really is.... and it's boring without him.
And Floyd did his part by making 24/7 to what it really is.... and it's boring without him.
What were Floyd's PPV numbers prior to Oscar?
What were Floyds PPV numbers after Oscar?
What were Pac's PPV numbers prior to Pac?
What were Pac's PPV numbers after Pac?
You go from having 150,000-300,000 pre-Oscar, to having 1million+ PPV's on a regular basis after Oscar.
What does that tell you?
They were "boxing stars" you can say pre oscar, but they become crossover stars after oscar. That's where the REAL money starting coming in.
I never said floyd wasn't a good salesman, he is. But 24/7 was created for Oscar vs Floyd. Without that fight there is no 24/7.
What were Floyds PPV numbers after Oscar?
What were Pac's PPV numbers prior to Pac?
What were Pac's PPV numbers after Pac?
You go from having 150,000-300,000 pre-Oscar, to having 1million+ PPV's on a regular basis after Oscar.
What does that tell you?
They were "boxing stars" you can say pre oscar, but they become crossover stars after oscar. That's where the REAL money starting coming in.
I never said floyd wasn't a good salesman, he is. But 24/7 was created for Oscar vs Floyd. Without that fight there is no 24/7.
That tells me that Floyd became the man after beating Oscar.... Oscar couldn't (and didn't) pull those same kind of numbers without Floyd...
If Floyd would have lost to Oscar, then Floyd wouldn't be doing 1 million buys off top like he is....
Do you think Floyd vs Pac would do better than Manny vs Oscar did?
That answers your question right there. Oscar was the man up until Floyd beat him (first), once Floyd beat him then Floyd became the man. It's not hard bruh...
Pacquiao screwed up by fighting Floyd's leftovers and under selling him in PPV buys at the sametime. So there you have who the biggest draw is.
If Floyd would have lost to Oscar, then Floyd wouldn't be doing 1 million buys off top like he is....
Do you think Floyd vs Pac would do better than Manny vs Oscar did?
That answers your question right there. Oscar was the man up until Floyd beat him (first), once Floyd beat him then Floyd became the man. It's not hard bruh...
Pacquiao screwed up by fighting Floyd's leftovers and under selling him in PPV buys at the sametime. So there you have who the biggest draw is.
No because Floyd vs Oscar happened at the perfect time. It had been some time before a major boxing event, and even though Oscar wasn't "the man anymore" after getting KO'd by Hopkins, he was still a huge draw after his brief retirement and coming back and KO'ing Mayorga in a pretty entertaining fight.
Casual fans didn't know of mayweather until the fight, but the news that was being reported by all of the news outlets which covered the fight immensely were talking about how great he was and how this was the best fight in boxing in years so the promotion for that fight was off the chains. Everyone was talking about it from your regular sports channels like ESPN to big time networks like NBC, etc. That was the biggest buzz for a fight in a long ass time.
It was the perfect time for that fight to go down.
Now I will say this, if Pac fought Oscar first, and got that kind of promotion, he would have had higher numbers than floyd vs oscar if floyd fought him after Pac already beat him. No doubt about that.
We also have to remember pac was on some real low level type shit in boxing. I mean he was big in the Philippines and he was starting to get a fairly big following in the US, but casual people didn't care about some 126 pound asian boxer. It wasn't until he fought Oscar that he turned into a big star (in the US).
The man of what? PPV attraction? As of right now boxing has two guys who are huge PPV attractions - floyd & pac. That's it. Oscar was so much bigger than them it's not even funny.
Even then it's only separated by like a 100k. Floyd-Hatton = 920,000. Pac-Hatton = 850,000. Floyd-shane = 1.4 million. Pac-shane = 1.3 million. So the differences are real minor.
Casual fans didn't know of mayweather until the fight, but the news that was being reported by all of the news outlets which covered the fight immensely were talking about how great he was and how this was the best fight in boxing in years so the promotion for that fight was off the chains. Everyone was talking about it from your regular sports channels like ESPN to big time networks like NBC, etc. That was the biggest buzz for a fight in a long ass time.
It was the perfect time for that fight to go down.
Now I will say this, if Pac fought Oscar first, and got that kind of promotion, he would have had higher numbers than floyd vs oscar if floyd fought him after Pac already beat him. No doubt about that.
We also have to remember pac was on some real low level type shit in boxing. I mean he was big in the Philippines and he was starting to get a fairly big following in the US, but casual people didn't care about some 126 pound asian boxer. It wasn't until he fought Oscar that he turned into a big star (in the US).
The man of what? PPV attraction? As of right now boxing has two guys who are huge PPV attractions - floyd & pac. That's it. Oscar was so much bigger than them it's not even funny.
Even then it's only separated by like a 100k. Floyd-Hatton = 920,000. Pac-Hatton = 850,000. Floyd-shane = 1.4 million. Pac-shane = 1.3 million. So the differences are real minor.
edit: nevermind misread your question.
Yes obviously floyd vs pac would do more than oscar vs pac because they are the two biggest names in boxing and the fight has been brewing for 2 years now. When Oscar fought pac, pac was a huge underdog and was a little guy fighting a big guy, whereas oscar vs floyd lots of people had it a 50/50 fight etc. Not too mention oscar lost to floyd in a fight that didn't live up to the hype, didn't look all and didn't look all that great against Forbes after.
Yes obviously floyd vs pac would do more than oscar vs pac because they are the two biggest names in boxing and the fight has been brewing for 2 years now. When Oscar fought pac, pac was a huge underdog and was a little guy fighting a big guy, whereas oscar vs floyd lots of people had it a 50/50 fight etc. Not too mention oscar lost to floyd in a fight that didn't live up to the hype, didn't look all and didn't look all that great against Forbes after.