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Atlas slams Pacquiao, questions his legacy

By Chris Williams: ESPN2 analyst Teddy Atlas was less than impressed with Manny Pacquiao with his recent win over the nearly 40-year-old Shane Mosley recently. During Friday’s ESPN 2 telecast of the Julio Diaz vs. Kendall Holt bout, Atlas took the opportunity to chime in with his thoughts about Pacquiao’s legacy in the fight game. Atlas isn’t impressed with what Pacquiao has done since 2008 starting with his win over Oscar De La Hoya. Atlas sees that fight and the ones since being a case where Pacquiao has beaten guys with a bit of a flaw in their game at the time he fought them.

Here is what Atlas had to say about Pacquiao:

“It [Pacquiao's legacy] a bit of a question mark. It [a win over 39-year-old Mosley] doesn’t do a lot for it. It’s either a neutral or a negative to be quite honest with you because it opens up the question. These last four or five fight that have made him [Pacquiao] an icon, who have they been with? One of them was with Oscar De La Hoya, who looked like a shot fighter, dead at the weight; Another was with [Miguel] Cotto, a fighter who was a damaged fighter psychologically and physically after [Antonio] Margarito did what he did to him. And then with [Joshua] Clottey, who didn’t fight and just covered up all night long. [Ricky] Hatton was made to order. Margarito looked like he had no strength. He was dead at the weight. It makes you think that. And, of course, Mosley, who was almost 40-years-old, came with no effort to try and win the fight, and looked like he was there to just get a paycheck. It makes you start to wonder about his [Pacquiao] legacy. Has he been built up with guys that have been perfectly picked, perfectly matched where they had problems and that’s why he was able to win so convincingly and that’s why he became such a star? I know he’s a terrific fighter with terrific talent, but it kind of asks that question. Has he been in with a bunch of set ups? People will say, [Floyd] Mayweather didn’t want to fight him, but Mayweather was ready to fight him but he wouldn’t give up a tube of blood and take Olympic type testing for performance enhancing drugs. So that fight isn’t being made. You got Tim Bradley out there. Some people will say Bradley isn’t big enough, but Bradley is quick, he’s undefeated, he’s a real game son of a gun. He will do much more than 40-year-old or close to 40-year-old Mosley. I’m saying the guys [Pacquiao] fights were perfectly set up for him. It’s not maybe his fault, but they were guys, one way or another, had a little bit of a flaw.”

I agree with much of what Atlas says here. Pacquiao has fought a lot of guys that had question marks about them at the time he fought them. Pacquiao hasn’t faced Bradley, Mayweather, Timothy Bradley, Paul Williams, Andre Berto, Sergio Martinez or Paul Williams. I would have picked all of them in the past three years rather than the guys that Pacquiao has been matched against.
 

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The point is Manny doesn't want to agree to random testing. Now take his nuts out your ears and his dick out your mouth and maybe you can comprehend that facts. Manny didn't sign the contract because he didn't want to get tested. Thanks again for trying smart guy.
Bigfake, you don't seem to get it. Floyd is overtsepping his bounds and asking for that type of test. In all of his fights prior to Mosley, and prior to Pac being put in front of him, did you ever hear of him talking about OSDT? No. So all of a sudden the standard tests, you know, the ones sanctioned by boxing commisions aren't good enough? Now lets say we buy that argument, why do it for Pac? I can see if there was evidence of the guy being on some shit, but there isn't. This is a dog and pony show created by Floyd and you don't get it. Retire/vacation. Come back and try to steal someone elses shine when they fight. Retire/vacation. Come back and try to steal someone elses shine when they fight. Retire/vacation. Come back and try to steal someone elses shine when they fight. Shit gets old and boring quick.

And let me remind you bigclit, I've constantly said that Pac SHOULD take the test. Why? To shut the crybaby up.

And let me also remind you that I've said I think Floyd CAN beat Pac.

Now sit back and stfu.
 
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By Chris Williams: ESPN2 analyst Teddy Atlas was less than impressed with Manny Pacquiao with his recent win over the nearly 40-year-old Shane Mosley recently. During Friday’s ESPN 2 telecast of the Julio Diaz vs. Kendall Holt bout, Atlas took the opportunity to chime in with his thoughts about Pacquiao’s legacy in the fight game. Atlas isn’t impressed with what Pacquiao has done since 2008 starting with his win over Oscar De La Hoya. Atlas sees that fight and the ones since being a case where Pacquiao has beaten guys with a bit of a flaw in their game at the time he fought them.

Here is what Atlas had to say about Pacquiao:

“It [Pacquiao's legacy] a bit of a question mark. It [a win over 39-year-old Mosley] doesn’t do a lot for it. It’s either a neutral or a negative to be quite honest with you because it opens up the question. These last four or five fight that have made him [Pacquiao] an icon, who have they been with? One of them was with Oscar De La Hoya, who looked like a shot fighter, dead at the weight; Another was with [Miguel] Cotto, a fighter who was a damaged fighter psychologically and physically after [Antonio] Margarito did what he did to him. And then with [Joshua] Clottey, who didn’t fight and just covered up all night long. [Ricky] Hatton was made to order. Margarito looked like he had no strength. He was dead at the weight. It makes you think that. And, of course, Mosley, who was almost 40-years-old, came with no effort to try and win the fight, and looked like he was there to just get a paycheck. It makes you start to wonder about his [Pacquiao] legacy. Has he been built up with guys that have been perfectly picked, perfectly matched where they had problems and that’s why he was able to win so convincingly and that’s why he became such a star? I know he’s a terrific fighter with terrific talent, but it kind of asks that question. Has he been in with a bunch of set ups? People will say, [Floyd] Mayweather didn’t want to fight him, but Mayweather was ready to fight him but he wouldn’t give up a tube of blood and take Olympic type testing for performance enhancing drugs. So that fight isn’t being made. You got Tim Bradley out there. Some people will say Bradley isn’t big enough, but Bradley is quick, he’s undefeated, he’s a real game son of a gun. He will do much more than 40-year-old or close to 40-year-old Mosley. I’m saying the guys [Pacquiao] fights were perfectly set up for him. It’s not maybe his fault, but they were guys, one way or another, had a little bit of a flaw.”

I agree with much of what Atlas says here. Pacquiao has fought a lot of guys that had question marks about them at the time he fought them. Pacquiao hasn’t faced Bradley, Mayweather, Timothy Bradley, Paul Williams, Andre Berto, Sergio Martinez or Paul Williams. I would have picked all of them in the past three years rather than the guys that Pacquiao has been matched against.
I've been saying this for a year now, but hey I'm a dumb ass. Manny fan are so funny. Dude has fought nothing but already shot leftovers..
 
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Bigfake, you don't seem to get it. Floyd is overtsepping his bounds and asking for that type of test. In all of his fights prior to Mosley, and prior to Pac being put in front of him, did you ever hear of him talking about OSDT? No. So all of a sudden the standard tests, you know, the ones sanctioned by boxing commisions aren't good enough? Now lets say we buy that argument, why do it for Pac? I can see if there was evidence of the guy being on some shit, but there isn't. This is a dog and pony show created by Floyd and you don't get it. Retire/vacation. Come back and try to steal someone elses shine when they fight. Retire/vacation. Come back and try to steal someone elses shine when they fight. Retire/vacation. Come back and try to steal someone elses shine when they fight. Shit gets old and boring quick.

And let me remind you bigclit, I've constantly said that Pac SHOULD take the test. Why? To shut the crybaby up.

And let me also remind you that I've said I think Floyd CAN beat Pac.

Now sit back and stfu.
this is why i miss the prop button!!!!!!
 
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I've been saying this for a year now, but hey I'm a dumb ass. Manny fan are so funny. Dude has fought nothing but already shot leftovers..
Atlas also picked everyone to beat him since David Diaz save for Mosley. Atlas brought up Pernell (who I believe was great) without mentioning that Pacquiao started out lighter than Pernell and fought to the same weight class that he did. Hatton was made to order? Then why did Teddy picked Hatton to win the fight? This is the same thing he does with Wladimir. Atlas consistently trashes and picks against the best fighters in the division. Nothing to see here..
 
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I got served up but not one person comment on the Mayweather FightHype interveiws. LOL.. Too funny.. You guys love Manny I get it.. Anyone that says anything against dude is a hater or a dumb ass ok cool.. But I'm dickriding. SMH
Find one post where I've said Pacquiao would beat Mayweather. I've said since the fight was talked about that I think Mayweather would serve Pacquiao up but to discredit what Pacquiao has done is hating. Let's go over most of that list real quick .. if Pac had fought Bradley and won, Bradley would be a guy with no power and was too green at the top of the game to compete, if he fought and beat Berto well who did Berto ever fight people would say. There's always gonna be a reason as to why Pacquiao wins instead of giving credit where it's due.

For reference during the Margarito/Cotto broadcast after Pac had trumped DLH something was said along the lines of imagine if Pacquiao would fight these welterweights and it was treated as a joke on air. Imagine that..
 

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I got served up but not one person comment on the Mayweather FightHype interveiws. LOL.. Too funny.. You guys love Manny I get it.. Anyone that says anything against dude is a hater or a dumb ass ok cool.. But I'm dickriding. SMH
Actually, I watched two of those vids last night. And based on those vids, I can understand some of the logic behind Floyd's madness. When I watch all of the vids I'll provide a more in depth response.
 
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agreed, I'll catch the replay of the williams fight.

would be funny as fuck if williams got KO'd early, Ishida would be an instant star. Williams turned down to fight Pawel Wolak btw.
You gotta give Ishida credit here btw. They can show the replay of him crushing the undefeated Kirkland and put him in winnable fights in Japan and get a better chance at becoming a star and instead he comes back against a top shelf fighter.
 
Jul 24, 2005
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Arum gambling that Lopez will beat Salido in August rematch

By Dan Ambrose: Former WBO featherweight champion Juan Manuel Lopez (30-1, 27 KO’s) will be trying his luck again in a fight with Mexican Orlando Salido (35-11-2, 23 KO’s) in a fight that will be taking place in the summer in August, slated for Puerto Rico, even though Salido is now the champion and not Lopez. This is a really risky fight for the 27-year-old Lopez, because he was out of his league in his loss to Salido on April 16th, and I can’t see how things will change any in a rematch.

Lopez’s promoter Bob Arum seems to be gambling that Lopez will be able to avenge his defeat and then he can somehow try and salvage a fight with Yuriorkis Gamboa. That was the bout that boxing fans had been begging Arum to make for the last two years. Instead of putting the fight together, Arum wanted to let it build up and marinate so that when he did eventually put them together, it would be a big cash out fight with all involved getting a big payday.

After Lopez went life and death with Rogers Mtagwa, Arum should have figured out that it might not be the wisest thing to let Lopez-Gamboa wait too much longer. Lopez was a fighter that clearly has a chin a problem and he wasn’t going to be able to continue to win in the future unless Arum matched him ever so softly. I suppose this was what Arum was thinking by putting Lopez in with Salido, who in his fight before that had been easily beaten by Gamboa in a lopsided 12 round decision loss.

I thought it was a crazy fight to put together because there was nothing to be gained by putting Lopez in with a tough guy like Salido who had just been beaten by Gamboa. How does Lopez get motivated for a guy that was just beaten? Besides that, how can fans be eager to see a fight that involves someone coming off a loss like Salido? Whatever the case, Salido whipped Lopez, badly hurt him and battered him at will until the fight was mercifully stopped in the 8th with a disoriented looking Lopez bleeding from the mouth and looking like he didn’t quite know what was happening.

For anyone that saw that fight, it’s clear that Lopez didn’t have the power or the chin to stand in there with the hard hitting Salido. I think more than a few fans will agree that Lopez’s chances of beating Salido in a rematch aren’t good. Lopez is decent fighter but he’s not what many people thought he was. He’s a guy that can dish it out but who can’t take it well in return and he can’t handle pressure well. Salido is good in those areas and has better stamina than Lopez. I think Arum’s risky gamble is going to backfire on him again and he’s going to wish he had forgotten all about a rematch between them.
 
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Abraham says he’s staying at super middleweight after getting whipped by Ward

By Scott Gilfoid: Photo credit: Tom Casino/Showtime – Former IBF middleweight champion Arthur Abraham (32-3, 26 KO’s) has stubbornly decided to stay at super middleweight, even though he’s clearly mediocre at this weight and doesn’t belong. Earlier tonight, Abraham suffered his third defeat in his last four fights when he was badly spanked by the talented American WBA super middleweight champion Andre Ward (24-0, 13 KO’s) in the semifinals of the Super Six tournament in Carson, California. The final judges’ scores were 118-110, 118-110 and 118-111.

The fight was fairly close for the first three rounds, as Abraham was throwing with a lot of power and uncharacteristically fighting hard for three minutes of every round instead of the usual last 20 seconds of the round. The extra exertion on Abraham’s part led to him completely gassing out after only three rounds. Ward was then able to pick Abraham apart from the 4th round on, pummeling him with combinations and making him look like an amateur.

The fight really needed to be stopped because Abraham looked pathetic. I felt sorry for him by the 8th, as he was just a short punching bag with arms. However, after the beating was over and Abraham had lost by a lopsided 12 round decision, I fully expected him to say that he would be immediately moving down in weight back to the middleweight division. But instead of wising up and realizing he has no business fighting at super middleweight against talents like Ward and Andre Dirrell, Abraham stubbornly said he’s going to stick it out at this weight, saying “I gave it my all and fought really hard and will stay at super middleweight.”

Talk about your crazy ideas. I couldn’t dream that foolishness if I wanted to. Abraham needs someone to take some sense into him for his own good. He’s too short, too limited and too slow to compete with the best fighters at this weight.