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Joshua only started boxing at the age of 18 so I have no problem with him taking these kinds of fights he's still learning on the job. Great potential. Hopefully him and Wilder turn out to be the real deal. Imagine the hype in a few years after Klitschko is retired if these two fight for the heavyweight crown.
 

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Hard to knock him just yet. Dudes taking much better fight than other heavyweights 10 fights in. He just demolished Bakhtov yesterday and is fighting Sprott next month. It's just a keep busy, no way should he be in deep with no real rest between fights.

He's definitely talented man and they're putting him in the right kind of fights this early. Just look at some of the guys both Klitschko brothers were in with in their first 10 fights.

You're absolutely right. I guess I can't really knock him just yet for taking these types of fights. I just had higher expectations because it seems like a step backwards as far as quality (or more or less the same).
 

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Never bothered me when a fighter gets step aside money. Postol's camp didn't have to accept and could've forced the issue. I've seen, and I know you've seen, situations where guys have to fight like 2-3 eliminators before they get a chance to force the issue on a champion.

Postol gets a check, gets to take any fight he wants and he won't lose his status. Garcia can take whatever fight he wants, and do whatever he wants with the belt after, whether that's fight Postol or vacate it and go to WW.
I have mixed feelings on it. On one hand, you're getting paid for doing nothing, which is always nice (especially as a fighter). On the other hand, if things go south somehow and you never get your shot at the title that you could have had if the fight went through, you'd be kicking yourself for it.
 
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What botherd me about it Is the WBC allowing for the purse bid to be post poned multiple times. If they say they need to reach an agreement by x amount of days, they should stand to that, otherwise we get these backdoor deals and deontay wilder situations where the purse bid has been post poned about 6 times already!
 
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What botherd me about it Is the WBC allowing for the purse bid to be post poned multiple times. If they say they need to reach an agreement by x amount of days, they should stand to that, otherwise we get these backdoor deals and deontay wilder situations where the purse bid has been post poned about 6 times already!
Yeah that shit's aggravating the delayed purse bids but I'm honestly not sure what the sanctioning bodies allow as "negotiating". If they allow the deal to happen who's to say they didn't tell them they were negotiating this deal and let them do what they want.

At the end of the day only Postol's camp can decide to take that money and pass up the shot. They're the ones that had to accept not the other way around. He gets paid to step aside, is gonna get paid to likely take a nothing fight in Russia/Ukraine, and then is likely gonna fight a guy like Herrera for a vacant title. All he has to do is keep on winning and not blow it.
 
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I have mixed feelings on it. On one hand, you're getting paid for doing nothing, which is always nice (especially as a fighter). On the other hand, if things go south somehow and you never get your shot at the title that you could have had if the fight went through, you'd be kicking yourself for it.
I agree, but anything that happens to Postol's shot from here on out is solely on him and his camp. Only they can fuck it up in the end.
 
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One of the more anticipated fights in boxing is the mandatory bout between heavyweight titleholder Bermane Stiverne and Deontay Wilder. The sides continue to discuss a deal, but there has been very little movement for the past few weeks, from what I am told.

Usually when that is the case, the organization mandating the fight calls for a purse bid. And yes, the WBC has ordered a purse bid for the fight. But it has also postponed it multiple times and has most recently left the date of a bid open-ended. There has been talk that it would announce a new date this week, but even if that happens, will it actually hold the bid or just postpone it again?

It’s almost as if the WBC doesn’t want to force a bid so as not to upset the men calling the shots, namely Al Haymon (Wilder’s adviser) and Don King (Stiverne’s promoter). Haymon is the adviser for numerous fighters tied to WBC titles, including Floyd Mayweather Jr., who represents a lot of income. King has been close to the WBC for decades and has generated millions for the organization.

Everyone else involved in Stiverne-Wilder, from what I am told, would love there to be a purse bid because of the 800-pound gorilla in the room: Roc Nation Sports.

Roc Nation Sports, music mogul Jay Z’s company that in August made public its intention to promote boxing, is just waiting for the chance to overwhelm the competition with a massive bid. That’s what it did when it blew away two other bidders for Peter Quillin’s middleweight mandatory defense against Matt Korobov. But once Haymon, who runs Quillin’s career, lost control of the fight, he persuaded Quillin to give up the title and a career-high payday of more than $1.4 million with no other fight scheduled.

Haymon’s bad blood with Jay Z (and Beyonce, Jay Z’s wife) goes back to their paths crossing in the music business, and it seems that Haymon, who does not speak to the media, has no intention of assisting in Roc Nation’s entrance into boxing. King’s reticence in allowing a giant purse bid is unclear, but what is clear is that he and Haymon are doing everything in their power to prevent a purse bid. King did not return a call seeking comment.

Golden Boy Promotions president Oscar De La Hoya said he has talked with King about a deal and that they have reached agreement on the financials but still have no date, site or TV deal, a prerequisite to any competent promoter agreeing to sign an agreement. Besides, De La Hoya isn’t even Wilder’s official promoter. He can’t do anything on Wilder’s behalf without Haymon’s OK. Golden Boy has no promotional agreement with Wilder, or with most of the Haymon fighters it works with.

In Wilder’s case, he did have a contract with Golden Boy. However, according to a source with direct knowledge of the deal, when he signed a contract extension the deal had a “key man” clause in it pertaining to Richard Schaefer. It said that if Schaefer ever left Golden Boy, Wilder could exercise the clause, freeing him from the agreement.

When Schaefer resigned in June, I am told, Haymon invoked the clause. The same thing happened with another Golden Boy fighter who is with Haymon and had the same language in his agreement, Robert Guerrero.

Jay Deas, Wilder’s trainer and manager, told ESPN.com on Monday that Wilder is not under contract to Golden Boy but did not get into the details of the “key man” clause, saying those were things that Haymon handles.

But with Wilder’s lack of a promotional agreement somewhat common knowledge in the industry, Roc Nation president Michael Yormark visited Wilder and Deas at Wilder’s home base in Tuscaloosa, Alabama, in mid-September, spent two days there and offered Wilder $2 million for the Stiverne fight as the first bout of a five-year contract with Roc Nation Sports, according to a source with knowledge of the offer.

That is an astronomical number for the fight and would be about 10 times more than Wilder has ever made for a bout. Under a purse bid, Wilder is entitled to 30 percent of the money, meaning somebody would have to bid nearly $7 million for him to make the same amount. A $7 million bid for the fight would be as stunning as any purse bid amount ever. Even Roc Nation would be unlikely to bid close to that much.

I’m told Wilder and Deas were very interested in the Roc Nation offer, which was on the table until Sept. 26. When Haymon didn’t reply to the offer, it was taken off the table.

Deas acknowledged that Roc Nation did approach them about a deal and said, “I think they’ll do great things, but Al is handling that whole thing. We’re letting Al do what he does. We’ll have to see how it plays out.”

Yormark declined to comment but did say that he believed Wilder had star potential and was the kind of athlete Roc Nation Sports wants to work with.

Deas didn’t want to discuss the particulars of the contract offer but said he and Wilder have a good relationship with Yormark and Roc Nation Sports boxing COO David Itskowitch, who worked closely with them when he was at Golden Boy.

“I like Dave and Michael, so you never say never,” Deas said. “But Roc Nation knows that Al is the guy they would have to talk to. But we talked to them and we appreciate their interest.”

Stiverne, like Wilder, wants the fight -- preferably for the big money likely to accompany a purse bid.

“I’m very happy to see Bermane is in great shape and ready to go,” Camille Estephan, Stiverne’s manager, told ESPN.com on Monday. “We want this fight to happen ASAP and we want a resolution. We’re tired of waiting and we want a date and site and the opportunity for Bermane to make a statement with his performance.”

For that to happen, the WBC needs to put its foot down immediately, which means following its rules, ordering a purse bid and allowing it to happen. And then let the chips -- and a boatload of Roc Nation Sports money -- fall where they may, regardless of what Haymon and King want.


Unbelievable. Never understood this blind loyalty guys get when it comes to their bank account.
 
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But Al Haymon is good for boxing though

Thats a crazy contract offer from Roc Nation. Anyone in their right mind would sign that in a heartbeat. But uncle Al gets im the way.

I mean that's financial security. Wilder could get KTFO and turn out to be a dud but he'd still have a five year deal making money. Ridiculous.
 

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But Al Haymon is good for boxing though

Thats a crazy contract offer from Roc Nation. Anyone in their right mind would sign that in a heartbeat. But uncle Al gets im the way.

I mean that's financial security. Wilder could get KTFO and turn out to be a dud but he'd still have a five year deal making money. Ridiculous.
How many times has a boxer come forth and said Haymon did some shade tree shit?
 
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That doesn't answer the question, fam.
Actually it does. Can't speak out against the guy that You're signed to indefinitely.

Plus I don't care what any fighters say about him. We know he's bad for the sport and he's clearly breaking the law and rumor has it tue feds are looking into him. His contracts have leaked which CLEARLY violate the Ali Act and now that is out there is the evidence to finally nail this con man.
 
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Oh fuck no!!!

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Emanuel Augustus Shot in Louisiana, On Life Support


by David P. Greisman

The rumors making the rounds on the Internet unfortunately appear to be true — beloved journeyman Emanuel Augustus was shot Monday night in Baton Rouge, Louisiana, and remains hospitalized, according to newspaper The Advocate.

“I just know he got shot in the back of the head,” a boxer friend of Augustus’ told the newspaper. “And he’s on life support right now.”

The shooting occurred just blocks from the gym where Augustus sparred. Police said they did not yet have a suspect or a motive.

Boxing writer Corey Erdman tweeted about Augustus’ condition as of early Tuesday afternoon: “According to Emanuel Augustus' family, he is breathing with the assistance of a machine, but the bullet is lodged in the back of his head.”

Augustus, 39, was 38-34-6 in a career where that record was not at all indicative of the talent he had. He often took fights on short notice against all sorts of familiar names, be they prospects, contenders or future titleholders.

Floyd Mayweather Jr. stopped Augustus, then known as Emanuel Burton, in nine rounds in 2000. Mayweather has often said that Augustus was one of his toughest opponents. Augustus also had a fan-friendly war with Micky Ward in 2001, a bout that RING magazine named its Fight of the Year.

His pro career came to a close in January 2011 with a decision loss to Vernon Paris, the fifth defeat in a row for Augustus.

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The shooting occurred Monday night in the 1700 block of Louisiana Avenue on a portion of the road between North 17th and Brice Streets. The location is only a few blocks away from BREC’s North 14th Street Park, where Singleton sparred with Augustus whenever the well-known boxer was in town.

Investigators have not identified any suspects or motives in Monday night’s shooting, Cpl. Don Coppola Jr., a Baton Rouge police spokesman, said on Tuesday.

A pair of red boxing gloves could be seen sitting next to a plastic bag at the scene of the shooting on Monday night. Detectives took the gloves and the bag as evidence.

Police ask anyone with information about this shooting to contact them at (225) 389-4869 or Crime Stoppers at (225) 344-7867.


 
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Actually it does. Can't speak out against the guy that You're signed to indefinitely.

Plus I don't care what any fighters say about him. We know he's bad for the sport and he's clearly breaking the law and rumor has it tue feds are looking into him. His contracts have leaked which CLEARLY violate the Ali Act and now that is out there is the evidence to finally nail this con man.
No it doesn't. Also, you should care about what a boxer says. As for speaking out against a guy, isn't Ward on like his 2765th lawsuit? He spoke out right?