BLACK PEOPLE IN WASHINGTON ARE THE FATTEST PEOPLE IN THE US

[I AM]

Tadou, it didnt' say those black people in washington are all poor as fuck. If you assume all black people are poor, that's on you. I'm pretty sure there are quite a few people of all race that are poor (some more so than other, obviously, but hopefully you see where I'm going).

And define obese. I didn't see anything about what the limit is for not being obese, so what's the starting weight? 250? 300? 350? I mean shit, you could say that 250 is where it starts depending on your height and body fat content....I'd like to see what led them to these percentages, cause I could care less abotu the numbers if there's nothing to back them up...Yay, 72%, where's the defining factor that determines if people are in that catagory or not? That's like the gov't saying marijuana is a gateway drug and people just agreeing without knowning shit or researching (and for those of you that think it is, dont' even reply cause that's not what this is about, it was just to make MY point).

 

[Dirty Shoez]

^ then don't make points without anything to back them up... that's just lazy criticism.

If you are going to disagree with something that is generally accepted by anyone with half a brain (example: PS2 has better graphics than NES), then it is up to YOU to do the research. Not have me wasting my time to prove some shit to you you should have figured out a long ass time ago.

And also, the reason the people are fat is because bad food is cheaper for you. They're eating the nasty ass fast food and the super-processed 'cheese product'. They're drinking Generic Brand Soda instead of healthy, 2% Milk.

Not to mention, the lack of nutritional education. What might be common knowledge to one family could mean nothing to another.

$1 Double Cheeseburgers are easier/cheaper to prepare than a healthy meal. When you spend most of your time working in a Wal-mart, where there's a fucking McDonald's built into the building, you're going to go with a Double Cheeseburger.

Come to his aid, then make my point for me. Great work, pal!

 

[Dirty Shoez]

Tadou, it didnt' say those black people in washington are all poor as fuck. If you assume all black people are poor, that's on you. I'm pretty sure there are quite a few people of all race that are poor (some more so than other, obviously, but hopefully you see where I'm going).

And define obese. I didn't see anything about what the limit is for not being obese, so what's the starting weight? 250? 300? 350? I mean shit, you could say that 250 is where it starts depending on your height and body fat content....I'd like to see what led them to these percentages, cause I could care less abotu the numbers if there's nothing to back them up...Yay, 72%, where's the defining factor that determines if people are in that catagory or not? That's like the gov't saying marijuana is a gateway drug and people just agreeing without knowning shit or researching (and for those of you that think it is, dont' even reply cause that's not what this is about, it was just to make MY point).

'Notes: Overweight or obese is defined as having a body mass index greater than or equal to 25.0 kg/meters squared.' They make you break out the calculator on this one

I do not care what the data there says about wealth, or even specifically about Black people. My comment was that poor people, period, are the fattest in the country, and yet, obviously, have the least amount of money. In other words...Poor people here eat the MOST. This is one of those times where the data proves that America is one of the best places in the world for Poor People to live. Food, Clothing, Shelter type stuff.


Edit:

Not saying you're wrong because I don't know, but are blacks really the poorest race in America? I would think that might go to Native Americans or Hispanics but I very well could be wrong.

That may very well be correct. All i know is, certain people like to run around saying people can't afford ergo cannot obtain food, and that is simply not the case. If you starve to death in America, homless or otherwise, you're an idiot...not a victim.

 

[XxtraMannish]

...Poor people here eat the MOST.

Thats not necessarily true. It could mean that because they are poor and have to stretch their money farther, that they eat much unhealthier food because it is so much cheaper and they cant afford quality food. Thats what I got from it anyway.

 

[I AM]

DS---You don't have to eat a lot to be 'obese' you just have to eat shitty food. Which has already been talked about. I didn't even read everything you said until just now, so what I said doesn't really matter. Except the part about how they got the information. Oh and SOME people really can't afford food. But they don't have those types of people in Bellingham or Aberdeen (I don't think, lol, I could be wrong).

And excuse me for not looking close enough at the notes, my next question is--how many people did they have in this survey and how did they obtain their body fat %? All they did was take information from other shit and put it together to show those graphs...It doesn't appear to me that they did any primary research or any real research of their own. They just took some shit that was already done and said, "this is how many obese people there are based on yada yada..." Now if they physically did EVERY SINGLE body fat % and collected it independently (vs. taking it from other surveys and findings) then I'll be quite, but it doesn't appear that they did shit except throw numbers together from previous reports.

 

[I AM]

Thats not necessarily true. It could mean that because they are poor and have to stretch their money farther, that they eat much unhealthier food because it is so much cheaper and they cant afford quality food. Thats what I got from it anyway.

Agreed.

Lets see....Dollar Menu vs. going to the store and buying everything you need to make what you want...Which costs more? Which is more healthy? Tadou, I think there might be a corelation...

 

[Mr. Samos]

.. I hear what youre saying.. but the preservatives and fat content in the fried chicken at KFC or 1/4lb burger at McDonalds is much worse for you than eating from each of the food groups @ 12 meals a day... calories or not..

Exactly.

Not just much worse, severely worse.

 

[Dirty Shoez]

Thats not necessarily true. It could mean that because they are poor and have to stretch their money farther, that they eat much unhealthier food because it is so much cheaper and they cant afford quality food. Thats what I got from it anyway.

What I get is that you buy cheaper shit in large quantities (24 packs of hot dogs, huge bags of cereal, gallons of milik). You have to to make your money last. Also, it just so happens that Malt-o-Meal doesn't make Diet Fake-Cheerios and other stuff. They copy and put for sale at cheap prices that which is most popular: the non-diet things.

You should realize that poor people value food and the like the most, while rich/middle class can not only afford, but feel the need to go out buying the computers, and the SUVs and other luxury items.

If you see food, first, in terms of how healthy it is, rather than what it costs...you do not have the poor mentality. Just the way it is. Thats a gimme. And when you're a kid, the parents pass this down onto you. If you have X amount of money to stretch....nevermind the fast food, even the would-be "HEALTHY", home-cooking food you are going to buy, is going to be the Hamburger Helper, the Cans of Chili, the Cereal, the Bread and Sandwich Meat, and all of these things. The more filling, the better (and the cheaper), but also,

Only those with disposable income have time to stand in the isles, comparing goods to see which has which. Those with little or no wiggle room simply grab what is cheapest, what gives the most and what tastes the best.

Shredded Wheat -- For the Rich.
Frosted Shredded Wheat -- For the Middle Class
Discount Frosted Shredded Wheat -- For The Poor

That is how the game goes.

 

[Dirty Shoez]

DS---You don't have to eat a lot to be 'obese' you just have to eat shitty food. Which has already been talked about. I didn't even read everything you said until just now, so what I said doesn't really matter. Except the part about how they got the information. Oh and SOME people really can't afford food. But they don't have those types of people in Bellingham or Aberdeen (I don't think, lol, I could be wrong).

Aberdeen probably has more bums per capita than Seattle, friend. Ask anyone who has been there. You should actually go there and look around sometime.

Those people that can't afford food, have these things called Food Banks, Shelters and Churches. I have been to and gotten fed from all 3. Have you? Or are you just doing more mouth-talking, as usual?

And excuse me for not looking close enough at the notes, my next question is--how many people did they have in this survey and how did they obtain their body fat %? All they did was take information from other shit and put it together to show those graphs...It doesn't appear to me that they did any primary research or any real research of their own. They just took some shit that was already done and said, "this is how many obese people there are based on yada yada..." Now if they physically did EVERY SINGLE body fat % and collected it independently (vs. taking it from other surveys and findings) then I'll be quite, but it doesn't appear that they did shit except throw numbers together from previous reports.

And this matters, because why?

What is needed is a debate about how to correct this imbalance. Not a debate about whether or not the reality exists...because it does.

 

[Dirty Shoez]

Agreed.

Lets see....Dollar Menu vs. going to the store and buying everything you need to make what you want...Which costs more? Which is more healthy? Tadou, I think there might be a corelation...

Friend, I want you to go to the store. I want you to go to the cereal isle, and I want you to buy a box of Cocoa Puffs and then go buy a gallon of Darigold milk.

I also want you to buy a huge bag of Malt-o-Meal/Kroger/Quaker brand Cocoa cereal and a gallon of cheap milk.

I want you to measure out exactly one cup of milk and one cup of cereal, and do this with both sets of goods. See what happens.


It is not about what is "healthy" or "unhealthy". It is about the fact that you can eat damn near twice as much of the other stuff as you can the expensive things. Once you have eaten this twice as much, you don't feel the NEED to add on rich-people things like Bananas, or Pop Tarts, or other fillers.

2x Cocoa-flavored Puffs + Cheap Milk > Banana + Cocoa Puffs + Expensive Milk

More calories...Less Expensive. Health has nothing at all to do with it. Neither does Fast Food specifically. It is all about money and value.



Edit: I should amend that to mention, that cheap does not necessarily mean bad for you.

If you are good at spotting sales and you are familiar with what most goods usually cost, you can either of stock up when you need to or just get what you need to get by. This is a good thing, but very few other than Rich/MC people know how to do it.

 

[Mr. Nice Guy]

DS---You don't have to eat a lot to be 'obese' you just have to eat shitty food

That it absolutely not true. Aldo it is not healthy I could eat a diet that consisted entirely of bacon grease and as long as I kept my caloires around 1500 a day I would in fact loose weight.

http://www.azcentral.com/health/diet/articles/0811mcdonalds-diet11-ON.html

There was a bunch more people who put them selves on fast food on diets and showed tremendous weight loss results. McDonalds is shitty food, but all these people managed to loose weight. One guy even became a professional body builder after the results he experienced from the diet.

That may very well be correct. All i know is, certain people like to run around saying people can't afford ergo cannot obtain food, and that is simply not the case. If you starve to death in America, homless or otherwise, you're an idiot...not a victim.

Being poor in America is relative to being rich. If the scale of income in the US was changed so that the wealthy often made 1,000,000 a year and the poverty line was raised to include everyone making under 70,000 a year (with no change in inflation) those making 70,000 would claim they cannot afford to live even though they can easily afford everything they need. However relative to the wealthy they would still be very poor and therefore make those statements. Go to another country North Korea, Ethiopia, even places in Mexico and see what the poor are like there...I am not saying that people in the US don't have problems, because that would be stupid to say but relative to some of those other places our problems don't seem as bad

 

[Gringo Starr]

@Tadou

I think what everyone is trynna drive through your,once again, thick skull...is that its cheaper and EASIER....to go buy a $1 burger,$1 fry and a $1 pop which equals $3 BEFORE tax....than to go to a grocery store...by hamburger meat($5)...cheese($2)...frozen fries($2)...buns($2)...and a 2 liter of pop($1)...and make it yourself...even though in the LONG run....its cheaper than goin to McDonalds 3 times a day...and healthier...

THATS the point we are gettin at...

Do you understand now?

Fast food=cheap & convienant....and MUCH worse than if you were to do it yourself...

 

[xpanther206]

Has anyone on here took any surveys?How did they research so many people's body fat panther?

Notes: Overweight or obese is defined as having a body mass index greater than or equal to 25.0 kg/meters squared.
Racial/ethnic groups are mutually exclusive.
Percentages are weighted to reflect population characteristics.

Definitions: NSD: Not Sufficient Data. In this case the state sample had fewer than 50 respondents.
NA: Data Not Available.

That is from the bottom of the page. Of course you can be only so confident in data with say, 55 respondents. Very few of the research we see is is a 100% sample. What I can't quite figure out is if it was a big data gathering process from physicians throughout the state, or if it was actually a survey distributed to x number of people. I think it was probably data collected from physicians because I don't think they'd have gotten enough responses for some of the smaller groups of people (i.e. who the hell is going to get 50 Hispanics in the state of Kentucky when they are a tiny percentage of the state population).

If it is a sample (thus increasing the potential error), it still says something on a bigger scale. I mean if black folks in Arizona are claimed on that data to be 39.6% overweight and in Washington state they are claimed to be 72.7%, I'm pretty darn confident that the folks up in Washington state are a hell of a lot fatter than they are down in Arizona.

 

[xpanther206]

Aberdeen probably has more bums per capita than Seattle, friend. Ask anyone who has been there. You should actually go there and look around sometime.

There is no census category for 'bum,' however Tadou and his thick skull just might be right.

2000 Census Aberdeen = 22.2% in Poverty (12.4% national average)
2000 Census Seattle = 11.8% in Poverty (12.4% national average)

Aberdeen has that poor white/mexican (9.8% of the population down there) rural small town thing going on for it. Seattle has that rich white-Asian/poor black-Asian-mexican thing going on. On the whole, Aberdeen has twice as many people in poverty.

To answer some of the general questions regarding race & poverty that have been raised, here are the #'s according to this same site :
All Races = 12.4%
Black = 33%
Latino = 29%
"Other" = 19% (probably encompasses Native Americans & Asians, too bad they didn't have categories for these specifically).
White = 12%


However, I've been trying to make this thread specifically about the African American community, so Aberdeen is pretty irrelevent in that discussion.

 

[xpanther206]

All of you guys are getting really caught up into this demographic/social science stuff. I invite anybody to click on those links on the left side of the screen, they will take you to a lot of other very interesting stuff (i.e abortions, teen birth rates, all kinds of stuff), also broken up by geography and RACE.

For example, what do you all make of this: highest teen birth rates are found in Latinos, but they do NOT get abortions, that's strictly a white woman/black woman thing.

And also, if you want a black doctor, seems like Washington DC & Maryland are the place to go (not coincidentally, some of the most stable black communities in the US are in Maryland).

There's WAY MORE stuff on that site than the food stuff.

 

[Gringo Starr]

For example, what do you all make of this: highest teen birth rates are found in Latinos, but they do NOT get abortions, that's strictly a white woman/black woman thing.

.

That explains y my building got so many kids runnin 'round!

 

[Fridge]

Come to his aid, then make my point for me. Great work, pal!

I'm just sayin, sometimes you get lazy. I don't think I was coming to anyones aid, I just like how you pick your battles. You'll type a 10 Paragraph response to somebody when you KNOW it's going to get under their skin, but then let it go when it probably won't stir up much contraversy. and I don't think I was making a point for you/against you. I was just simply making a point.

 

[Dirty Shoez]

^^ There was no wiggle room to be lazy with.

If this man doesn't want to tie the Poor and Blacks together, that sounds like a personal, PC-related problem. But i shouldn't have to bite my tongue instead of stating the obvious.

@Tadou

I think what everyone is trynna drive through your,once again, thick skull...is that its cheaper and EASIER....to go buy a $1 burger,$1 fry and a $1 pop which equals $3 BEFORE tax....than to go to a grocery store...by hamburger meat($5)...cheese($2)...frozen fries($2)...buns($2)...and a 2 liter of pop($1)...and make it yourself...even though in the LONG run....its cheaper than goin to McDonalds 3 times a day...and healthier...

THATS the point we are gettin at...

Do you understand now?

Fast food=cheap & convienant....and MUCH worse than if you were to do it yourself...

Its a false comparison.

If you go to the fast food restaurant, of course you're going to buy the burgers and fries and shit. That is what is cheap. -- But when you go to the store, you don't buy burgers and fries, or the stuff to make your own burgers and fries. You buy cereal, milk, top ramen, bread and shit like this, the $1-3 items. Every once in a while, you might throw in a package of oreos or some Ice Cream if either is on sale.

In many cases and many topics, YES, i am just treading water (and waiting for everyone else to drown). In this case, I have PERSONAL EXPERIENCE, and have seen EVERY ONE of these things i speak about at play. I KNOW how poor people spend their money.

 

[Dirty Shoez]

There is no census category for 'bum,' however Tadou and his thick skull just might be right.

2000 Census Aberdeen = 22.2% in Poverty (12.4% national average)
2000 Census Seattle = 11.8% in Poverty (12.4% national average)

Aberdeen has that poor white/mexican (9.8% of the population down there) rural small town thing going on for it. Seattle has that rich white-Asian/poor black-Asian-mexican thing going on. On the whole, Aberdeen has twice as many people in poverty.

.....I'll take it

 

[xpanther206]

Ya'all don't worry about Tadou, he's probably up in Bellingham going to Western Washington University, he is going to go against the grain no matter where he is in life, so he's at a liberal ass school, he's going to come with this more moral panic, conservative politics point of view.

Now were he going to Southern Methodist down in Dallas, for example, he'd be on here ranting from the perspective most of you guys are.