Bin Laden Didn't Blow Up the Towers, It Was...

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Covered it, and covered it 150 times already. Free Speech and the Family. Same exact principle.

If every citizen had 100% access to every single piece of information maintained by our government--say, Nuclear Secrets, Foreign Intelligence, etc.--we'd be royally fucked right about now. Same difference with politicians.

lets put this in perspective.. if they released the schematics of building a nuclear bomb, could anybody build one at home?? no.. the process requires nuclear equipment such as enriched uranium, centerfuges etc. and cannot be build without drawing some kind of attention to themselves.. not too mention the fact that nobody was refering to nuclear weapon blueprints.. secondly, the types of Foreign Intelligence that would be harmful for us to know are the names of moles and spies on our side whom are still undercover.. the intelligence they are reporting back to us will hardly shut down the stock market.. sooooo u havent brought to my attention any information that has a reason to be religiously kept secret.. your using an extreme of 100% declassification anyway for your example..

If you call me on the phone, and I'm taking a shit, and you ask me what I'm doing, and i say "Watching TV"......did I just lie to you? Of course. Was it for your own good? ...Of course.

that runs along the lines of something someone DOESNT want to know.. not a secret thats gonna dictate my standard of living lol

if my girl asks "do these jeans make my ass look fat" and it looks like she's smuggling some hamhocks, and i say "NO hun, u look fine" Im lying to appease her feelings at the current moment but am hurting her in the long run because she will still look likes she's smothering a pair of basketballs..

Those are the kinds of lies that Politicians tell, and that we want them to tell. You worry about amassing capital, and let them worry about the rest. If you aren't concerned with amassing capital, it's simple:

sooo basically your trying to say.. "dont worry about what our leaders do.. just go make money, they will take care of everything" PFFFFF give me a break.. it seems u have this notion that elected officals arent representatives to you and i, but are somehow, indoctrinated into a system who's entrusted with information that can make a nation collapse.. name one question someone can ask that will stop me from still making a living afterwards..

Get out of the United States, and stop taking up space. For every one of you Anti-Capitalists living in a CAPITALIST SOCIETY, there's 10,000 immigrants out there who would (literally) commit murder to have your spot.

im not anti-capitalist... i believe people who work harder then others should get the pay to compensate it... HOWEVER..any capitalist society worth its weight will make their economic mobility ladder easy to climb.. thats an aspect i feel we have neglected for a long time now..

 

[Dirty Shoez]

1) Joe Thomas of Illinois may not be able to afford Nuclear Weapon components, but I'm sure China or Iran or North Korea wouldn't mind knowing what we know.....AS WELL AS GETTING ALL OF OUR ICBM TECHNOLOGY SO THEIR MISSLES GO WORLDWIDE INSTEAD OF A FEW HUNDRED MILES.

Friend, all I need is a 100% scenario. Once you concede that 100% would be life-threatening, then YOUR ARGUMENT is now in play, and you no longer get to just sit back and take shots at mine. From there, IT'S UP TO YOU to argue what we should and shouldn't know...not on me to name every single X, Y and Z exception.


2) Thanks for making my point for me. The point is that, although only the assholes among us do it for sport, we all lie on a daily basis. WE do it to maintain our personal relationships...POLITICIANS do it to maintain intergovernmental relationships.


3) Politicians are elected, and they represent us. They don't represent the 18-34 age group, or Men, or such-and-such group specifically...they represent EVERYONE.

Our Politicians are not ideological Mr. Potato Heads. The mere fact that we elected them does not mean we get to decide their policies. Politicans are used cars....not New Cars. You get what you vote for. If you don't vote at all, then plan on being treated like a pedestrian.


4) Either you believe that the #1 aim of the Government should be to ensure that it's citizens remain able to amass capital with minimal interference.....or you believe the #1 priority is to take care of the Poor and Needy.

I believe #1 is amassing capital, followed by #2, the welfare of the poor (and disabled, children, retired, etc.) If you don't agree with that 1-2 order, then you may not be Anti-Capitalist, but you sure as shit cannot say you are a Capitalist. You can claim "Humanitarian" and the like all you want, but we are a Capitalist society at our core, not a welfare state.

It's ironic because so many on the left side of the spectrum are Darwinists... yet disagree so vehemently with Social Darwinism. Only the strong shall survive. If a rung on the ladder is missing, then reach your lazy ass flabby arm up further, grab the next one, and keep it moving. If it's too "hard" for you, then get the fuck off of the ladder and let someone else try.





CLIFF NOTES:

1) Bin Laden blew up the Towers. Sorry. If we needed cheap oil that badly, we'd exploit the shit out of Africa, not the Middle East.

 

[GTS]

1) Joe Thomas of Illinois may not be able to afford Nuclear Weapon components, but I'm sure China or Iran or North Korea wouldn't mind knowing what we know.....AS WELL AS GETTING ALL OF OUR ICBM TECHNOLOGY SO THEIR MISSLES GO WORLDWIDE INSTEAD OF A FEW HUNDRED MILES.

Friend, all I need is a 100% scenario. Once you concede that 100% would be life-threatening, then YOUR ARGUMENT is now in play, and you no longer get to just sit back and take shots at mine. From there, IT'S UP TO YOU to argue what we should and shouldn't know...not on me to name every single X, Y and Z exception.


2) Thanks for making my point for me. The point is that, although only the assholes among us do it for sport, we all lie on a daily basis. WE do it to maintain our personal relationships...POLITICIANS do it to maintain intergovernmental relationships.


3) Politicians are elected, and they represent us. They don't represent the 18-34 age group, or Men, or such-and-such group specifically...they represent EVERYONE.

Our Politicians are not ideological Mr. Potato Heads. The mere fact that we elected them does not mean we get to decide their policies. Politicans are used cars....not New Cars. You get what you vote for. If you don't vote at all, then plan on being treated like a pedestrian.


4) Either you believe that the #1 aim of the Government should be to ensure that it's citizens remain able to amass capital with minimal interference.....or you believe the #1 priority is to take care of the Poor and Needy.

I believe #1 is amassing capital, followed by #2, the welfare of the poor (and disabled, children, retired, etc.) If you don't agree with that 1-2 order, then you may not be Anti-Capitalist, but you sure as shit cannot say you are a Capitalist. You can claim "Humanitarian" and the like all you want, but we are a Capitalist society at our core, not a welfare state.

It's ironic because so many on the left side of the spectrum are Darwinists... yet disagree so vehemently with Social Darwinism. Only the strong shall survive. If a rung on the ladder is missing, then reach your lazy ass flabby arm up further, grab the next one, and keep it moving. If it's too "hard" for you, then get the fuck off of the ladder and let someone else try.





CLIFF NOTES:

1) Bin Laden blew up the Towers. Sorry. If we needed cheap oil that badly, we'd exploit the shit out of Africa, not the Middle East.

lol at politicians being elected.

electoral college=the president and vice president of the United States are really elected by the votes of only 538 citizens -- the "electors" of the Electoral College.

do you disagree? so what does the population vote =? and do the electors have to vote what that particular state voted for?

If I remember correctly 2000 population vote didn't elect the president.

 

[Sketchy B]

If we needed cheap oil that badly, we'd exploit the shit out of Africa, not the Middle East.

Bwahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahhahahahhaha!!!!!!!

Are you serious????

Yeah, I wonder when the west will start exploiting the shit out of Africa for their natural resources.

I never read your bullshit, but this was too classic. Especially on the 50th anneversary of Ghanean independance.

th' fuck outta here.

 

[2-0-NINE]

I SCRATCH MY HEAD AND WONDER, WHO WAS MORE ANNOYING TADOU OR MCCLEANHATCH!?

 

[TROLL]

1) Joe Thomas of Illinois may not be able to afford Nuclear Weapon components, but I'm sure China or Iran or North Korea wouldn't mind knowing what we know.....

AS WELL AS GETTING ALL OF OUR ICBM TECHNOLOGY SO THEIR MISSLES GO WORLDWIDE INSTEAD OF A FEW HUNDRED MILES.

lets see, doesnt North Korea already have a nuclear capability? didnt china get help from the soviets in the 50's to help build nukes?? and apparantly IRAN already knows what its doing.. now.. are we the only nation to have this knowledge?? no.. but thats really besides the point..

Friend, all I need is a 100% scenario. Once you concede that 100% would be life-threatening, then YOUR ARGUMENT is now in play, and you no longer get to just sit back and take shots at mine. From there, IT'S UP TO YOU to argue what we should and shouldn't know...not on me to name every single X, Y and Z exception.

u said

"Our Politicians lie more than most Politicians.
Our Citizens live better than most citizens."

then you bring up nuclear weapons as your example.. you failed to answer my question about the correlation between a lie from a politician and our standard of living by instead setting up a strawman with your 100% scenario while evading my general question on how a politician lying is benefitting our economy.. so you arent being asked to name every single X,Y,Z, you just have selective hearing and are choosing to hear much more then what was initially asked..

2) Thanks for making my point for me. The point is that, although only the assholes among us do it for sport, we all lie on a daily basis. WE do it to maintain our personal relationships...POLITICIANS do it to maintain intergovernmental relationships.

i brought u an example of how a lie that benefits the superfical will be more of a burden in the general scheme of things.. give me an example of a lie that benefits our intergovernmental relationship without using a strawman or an extreme example..

4) Either you believe that the #1 aim of the Government should be to ensure that it's citizens remain able to amass capital with minimal interference.....or you believe the #1 priority is to take care of the Poor and Needy.

I believe #1 is amassing capital, followed by #2, the welfare of the poor (and disabled, children, retiredez], etc.) If you don't agree with that 1-2 order, then you may not be Anti-Capitalist, but you sure as shit cannot say you are a Capitalist. You can claim "Humanitarian" and the like all you want, but we are a Capitalist society at our core, not a welfare state.

HUH? i mentioned economic mobility and you equated that with welfare.. we would be better off IMO if we spend some more money into education and job training.. make school more affordable and available.. teach the people how to fish instead of just serving it too them. that doesnt usurp anything from a corporation nor hinders anybody from amassing capital..

It's ironic because so many on the left side of the spectrum are Darwinists... yet disagree so vehemently with Social Darwinism. Only the strong shall survive. If a rung on the ladder is missing, then reach your lazy ass flabby arm up further, grab the next one, and keep it moving. If it's too "hard" for you, then get the fuck off of the ladder and let someone else try.

like i said before, those who work for their money deserve it.. but because theres a "rung" missing on the "ladder" for someone, doesnt neccisarily mean they should just give up and "let someone else try".. it should be the responsibility of the ladder-maker to make sure everystep is there..

1) Bin Laden blew up the Towers. Sorry. If we needed cheap oil that badly, we'd exploit the shit out of Africa, not the Middle East.

so what did we go into iraq for then? enlighten us.

 

[Dirty Shoez]

lets see, doesnt North Korea already have a nuclear capability? didnt china get help from the soviets in the 50's to help build nukes?? and apparantly IRAN already knows what its doing.. now.. are we the only nation to have this knowledge?? no.. but thats really besides the point..



u said

then you bring up nuclear weapons as your example.. you failed to answer my question about the correlation between a lie from a politician and our standard of living by instead setting up a strawman with your 100% scenario while evading my general question on how a politician lying is benefitting our economy.. so you arent being asked to name every single X,Y,Z, you just have selective hearing and are choosing to hear much more then what was initially asked..


i brought u an example of how a lie that benefits the superfical will be more of a burden in the general scheme of things.. give me an example of a lie that benefits our intergovernmental relationship without using a strawman or an extreme example..


HUH? i mentioned economic mobility and you equated that with welfare.. we would be better off IMO if we spend some more money into education and job training.. make school more affordable and available.. teach the people how to fish instead of just serving it too them. that doesnt usurp anything from a corporation nor hinders anybody from amassing capital..




like i said before, those who work for their money deserve it.. but because theres a "rung" missing on the "ladder" for someone, doesnt neccisarily mean they should just give up and "let someone else try".. it should be the responsibility of the ladder-maker to make sure everystep is there..





so what did we go into iraq for then? enlighten us.

1) You seem to have skipped something.....You know what ICBM's are, right? And you understand that only a TINY amount of countries have Nuclear ICBMs? If you don't, now is the time to either speak up or Wiki it.

ICBMs are the difference between North Korea "maybe" being able to hit the West Coast.....and North Korea being able to hit 100% of the United States or anywhere else in the world with a nuclear weapon.



Since you want to play the "But you said ___!" game:

"please explain how a lie by a politician correlate's to the way we live.. why would they have to lie to begin with if the action they were taking was beneficial?"

Is there something you don't understand about Nuclear technology being made public that would endanger the lives of every single American? Is there something you don't understand about ICBM technology being made public that would endanger the lives of every single American? How many more examples besides Nukes or ICBMs will be enough for you?

There's nothing "beneficial" about revealing state secrets, just for the sake of being "open" with the public. Sometimes, it's good to keep things secret, covered up, hidden, concealed, lied about, or whatever else you want to call it. Some shit you just dont need to know.

Our Politicians lie because we want them to lie. Period. An honest politician here and there is OK, but if all of our politicians were "honest", we'd be royally fucked.


Quick note: If you don't know what a certain fallacy means, then don't accuse someone of doing it. Strawman made no sense here. If anything you should have said Slippery Slope or Red Herring. Go study up before you go throwing out shit.


2) Do it yourself. I'm doing just fine over here. The last thing I need to do is respond to your pointless requests.

Again, simply proclaiming that an example is "extreme" doesn't void its relevance. A hole is a hole, and I am poking them all over the place in your arguments.

Also again, learn what Strawman is before you accuse someone of doing it.


3) Friend.......how exactly is it that you think Schools are funded? By the students working 9-5s? ......NO. They are funded by taxing "the Rich", e.g., homeowners. So unless you want schools to be restricted strictly to those who own homes........School is in fact welfare. And as such:

"that doesnt usurp anything from a corporation nor hinders anybody from amassing capital.. "

YES...it DOES. It cuts into profits with NO guarantee of a return on your would-be `investment'.

I'm strongly Pro-Education, but let's not fool ourselves: Schools exist because Rich people taxation exists.



Umm...friend.....Ladder-maker doesn't have to do shit, any more than Beer makers need to be there to drive your drunk ass home, or Hostess needs to buy liposuction for your fat ass if you eat too many Twinkies. That's capitalism. I'm really not sure what you're confusing it with, but you've got it all wrong. Capitalism is about looking out for self, not making sure the needs of John Q Citizen are met.




I'm not going to speak on Iraq, especially dumb questions. My previous comments were plenty.

If we needed cheap oil that badly, we'd exploit the shit out of Africa, not the Middle East.


Did i mention Bin Laden blew up the towers?

 

[TheVille31]

the whole thing was a setup... you can find torrents of loose change pt 2 also. there was def. some weird shit goin on. All the videotapes tooken by the FBI? Strange way in the way it fell... sort of like a planned demolition. No bodies found where the plane crashed in PA and hardly any wreckage. And there was one engine found not two. Also the steel beams in the tower were built to withstand up to 3000 C and jet fuel only burns slightly less than that and only if it has a contstant stream. It would have burned off in minutes. There is audio of one firefighter tellin them if we get some more people up here we can PUT OUT this fire. Is that enuf to take down a whole building. And how many buildings have falling from fires in american history? 3 you guessed it the world trade center buildings. Anyone fact you cannot confuse is all the stock options but on airlines a week before the fuckin planes hit are you kidding me? Condo Rice calling a good friend and tellin him not to fly that day. A multi billion dollar insurance policy on the WTC a week b4 it collapses?

To me its all a little to weird. All of it just doesnt add up too many inside jobs and too many people knew about it.

This needs to move to gathering of the minds so we can have a good convo about this

 

[TheVille31]

reup

 

[Dirty Shoez]

To all you conspiracy theorists out there.......Question:

Where are the people from the flights?


Were they made up? Did they even exist? Do you have fun, cool websites showing that they really didn't "die" in any of the plane crashes? Say.....they popped up in England or Australia under the same name?

If they really are dead, who murdered them? The United States Government? Or did we outsource it to another country? Or are they all locked up right now, getting the 1984/Winston Treatment?

For those idiots among us who think it wasn't even Jetliners that hit the towers......WHERE DID THE OTHER PLANES FLY TO?


Start speaking up, dumb shits.

 

[BaSICCally]

well doesnt the goverment have DNA matches for the terrorists? where did they get the DNA samples from?

 

[GTS]

The goverment is not under the correct checks and balances, makes one wonder if the republicans and democrats are not working together to keep the American population at each others throat to get their way with us .

 

[CHILEMACHO]

if that shit was a conspiracy,there would have had to be a whole lot of people behind it.supposedly the bush adm.,the brits and the isrealis all knew about it.not to mention the media,airlines,the military....all these people in on it and we cant find 1 muthafuker that'll snitch?

 

[BaSICCally]

if that shit was a conspiracy,there would have had to be a whole lot of people behind it.supposedly the bush adm.,the brits and the isrealis all knew about it.not to mention the media,airlines,the military....all these people in on it and we cant find 1 muthafuker that'll snitch?

good point. O'Rilley brought that up when he was interviewing a professor from Wisconson University, who leads Scholars who are skeptical about 9/11. O'Rilley brought up the fact that not a single newspaper, espeically those against the Bush administration, have yet to print a story about the conspiracies or questions that surround 9/11.

 

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To all you conspiracy theorists out there.......Question:

Where are the people from the flights?


Were they made up? Did they even exist? Do you have fun, cool websites showing that they really didn't "die" in any of the plane crashes? Say.....they popped up in England or Australia under the same name?

If they really are dead, who murdered them? The United States Government? Or did we outsource it to another country? Or are they all locked up right now, getting the 1984/Winston Treatment?

For those idiots among us who think it wasn't even Jetliners that hit the towers......WHERE DID THE OTHER PLANES FLY TO?


Start speaking up, dumb shits.

9/11: a 7-Man Job::
http://georgewashington.blogspot.com/2006/04/911-7-man-job.html

who said it would take a giant mass of people to pull this off? when everything is departmentalized people are doing dirty work and dont even know it..

as far as where the people went, we may never know.. i myself do believe planez crashed into the buildingz, but i believe they were remotely controlled.. i know what your going to say next...."we dont have that technology"
v v v v
CHICAGO — The Boeing Co. (BA) has agreed to pay $15 million to settle federal allegations that it broke the law by selling commercial airplanes equipped with a small chip that has military applications.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,191050,00.html

 

[Dirty Shoez]

So then if you agree that that part of the document was shit.....what else about Loose Change was garbage and junk science?


As South Park (and common sense) explains it: some people out there need to believe that entire governments, and never terrorists, are behind all major attacks.

For the next 100+ years we'll be hearing about Reichstag. Conspiracy theorists won't ever shut the fuck up about it. It's like the universal battle cry. But it won't change the fact that, for at least this one time.....a terrorist was responsible. Not the government.

The terrorist responsible? Osama Bin Laden.

 

[TROLL]

So then if you agree that that part of the document was shit.....what else about Loose Change was garbage and junk science?

i dont remember hearing loose change saying planes never hit the towers.. where did u come up with that assumption?

As South Park (and common sense) explains it: some people out there need to believe that entire governments, and never terrorists, are behind all major attacks.

hahha u actually said south park and (common sense) in the same sentence..
governments have been doing this for years.. dating back to nero burning down rome to blame on the christians..

For the next 100+ years we'll be hearing about Reichstag. Conspiracy theorists won't ever shut the fuck up about it. It's like the universal battle cry. But it won't change the fact that, for at least this one time.....a terrorist was responsible. Not the government.

even one of hitlers most closest confidant's was asked if hitler was responsable for the fires at reichstag and his response was "if i told you no id be a liar, if i told you yes id be a fool" so u can take that however u wish to interpet it..

The terrorist responsible? Osama Bin Laden.

Tim Osman?

 

[DankedOut707]

DAMN, YALL WRITIN ESSAYS ON HERE. GREAT DOCUMENTARY THOUGH, WATCH LOOSE CHANGE 2ND EDITION.

 

[SLRider510]

dam is there another link im trynna show this video to a friend

 

[1023]

i dont need to watch shit i already know martha stewart blew up those buildings.....either that or it was that group of old ladys that wear those red hats(the red hat society)......them bitches is tuff