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anybody have any suggestions...i know diff mics will sound diff for everybody..but i just wanted people to throw out some suggestions based upon their use...

I'm going to be recording rap vocals...

and i have a low kind of blending in voice..

i was and maybe still am going to go with the studio projects c3 but im taking other suggestions on a diff mic...how bout AKG mic's...like the perception 400
 

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I never used a budget mic before so I caouldnt tell ya,but look on ebay and craigs list you might come up on a good deal on slightly used(some people are selling equip that they used once or twice,and you can get a better mic at better price)
 

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True I cant think of nothing off top. You might be able to find an RE20 for that price i'm not sure. Those are great for male vocals if you got someone with a low voice . great mic, built like a tank
 

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for when i started what did good with my voice....and my patnas was the akg perception 200 good quality......still have to this day 2 years old and going like a champ but now i got a nueman 103
 
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yea i had the rode nt1a before..it sounded to boxed-in/spacey for me

i just swooped a used Shure Ksm-27 and this is also a lil too bassy..

I guess im used to the C3 which i now can say is the best mic for me..even tho i havnet tried out the AKG..

but i need somethin to lift my voice and the studio projects line does pretty much that...
 
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the studio projects mics give a lil lift, instead of being in the mud it sounds like its lifted (trebelized, even compressed a lil bit)...

the C1 is a exaggerated(sp) in its brightness, and the C3 brings it down a lil bit to more of a natural sound..
 

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YOUNG K9 said:
the studio projects mics give a lil lift, instead of being in the mud it sounds like its lifted (trebelized, even compressed a lil bit)...

the C1 is a exaggerated(sp) in its brightness, and the C3 brings it down a lil bit to more of a natural sound..
huh? I still don't get it. What exactly are you saying or trying to say? That these mics roll off (cut) a certain frequency but boost others?
 
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just like I said homie...these mics sound as if they are compressed and almost dont need to be touched with in the mix but just a slight touch will make these mics sound great..

I don't know about frequencies or cut off but just to say that the mic sound a little bright (specially the C1) and instead of sounding muddy like in mics that I've found in the past, these mics sounds like they been lifted (as in more trebelized than bassy)...I don't know any other way to explain it homie LOL...
 

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I dunno anyone got the polar pattern for that studio projects mic? maybe it it bright in the 1-4k range brightning your average vocal up. Can't always judge a mic by its brand name or price if it sounds good it is good use what works for you
 

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MR. CLEEN said:
Young K9, you need to know that any mic, cheap or expensive by itself is gonna sound muddy with out a preamp or EQ. Listen to the song I posted, it doesn't sound muddy. Why? Because I have a good preamp and my vocals are EQ'd. The preamp will boost your vocal level and the EQ will shape your vocals how you want them to sound.
I disagree with this. The reason I disagree with this is because a condenser requires the use of a pre amp UNLESS it is running off a battery (a 9volt.) And many high end condenser mics rely only on 48v to power the mic, so basically, it is impossible to get ANY sound (muddy or clear) without the use of a pre amp and this brings me to my next point. What mic do you know is powered WITHOUT a pre amp? Sure dynamic mics don't REQUIRE a 48v input, but what about when you are using a device like a vs880 ex which doesn't have phantom power? Do these devices NOT have pre amps?

Many factors come into play when getting the sound of a mic. Room/acoustics play a role, positioning of the mic is a factor, how long you warmed the mic up is a factor, mic pattern, positioning of the vocalist is a factor, tone of the vocalist is a character. All of these things play a role in determing the outcome of the track. In addition, eq is NOT a requirement, as many people have recorded tracks dry and mixed them in without using it. Am I saying to not use eq or a pre amp? No. What I am saying is these are simply tools and may not always yield the desired results, and since they do not always yield the desired results, it is best to make sure you know how to actually RECORD a vocalists the proper way.
 

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First, I'm not here to debate, just suggesting a good mic under $300.00 and No disrespect fam, I hear all that you've said, but it's all nonsense in a real world sense fam.
One thing I've learned over the years is when people say they are "not here to debate" or "no disrespect" they usually try to debate and usually do end up saying something that one may consider disrespectful.

What is "nonsense" is the fact that you are telling this man that ANY mic is going to sound muddy without the use of a pre amp or eq. What I am telling you is that is 100% false. The reason being it is false is because NO MATTER WHAT YOU RECORD YOU ARE USING SOME TYPE OF PRE AMP. There have been PLENTY of professional records that have used the STOCK pre amps in the 001 and many records where the vocal tracks have been processed with compression only.

He's obviously not using a preamp or EQ on the mic (regardless of which brand it is) or muddiness (or lack of clarity) wouldn't be the issue.
First of all he IS using a pre amp because if he wasn't using a pre amp he wouldnt be able to record the SIGNAL!!! Now if the pre amp is a 48v pre amp remains to be seen, but any input that can be controlled via gain and accepts a signal to be recorded is a pre amp.

Muddiness and lack of clarity are not always the result of lack of eq or a weak pre amp. You can sit a vocalist to the side, have the mic too low in placement and get mud, OR you can place the vocalist to the front, have the mic tilted at the wrong angle and end up causing the track to have too much sibilence.

Back to the NT1A, I put up a song as an example of vocals done on a NT1A to show it is a excellent mic at the price (and I did the song without a vocal booth). I'm no expert at talking tech language on mics or any other piece of equipment, but I do have real life experience at recording and putting records out, so most of the shit I spit is proven facts (found through trial and error). No more no less
Thats all fine and great, and I'm sure if he had used the SEARCH engine before he made the post, he would have found a long list of mics in his range that moe, sickwidtit, jayda, d-sane or myself have suggested. You have real life experience at recording? So do I. I have real life engineering experience, and just because I don't advertise my products or accomplishments at the bottom of my sig doesnt mean I am NOT capable of telling you to tune into your local rap station to listen to a song I mixed. Do you HONESTLY believe the room does not play a factor in the way the mic sounds or that the placement of the mic doesn't come into play? We can prove you wrong very easily. Record a verse at your spot. When you are finished come to my spot, step a couple of inches to the side, let me angle the mic and record that same verse. I GUARANTEE THE VOCALS SOUND DIFFERENT, AND I'LL PUT MY ENTIRE STUDIO ON LINE TO MAKE THE BET.

Now, if what I have said has struck a nerve, your bad for taking it that way, but people have a right to disagree.
 

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MR. CLEEN said:
Young K9, I'm sorry your post is getting out of hand with unneeded back and forth. No chord struck at all fam. you gittin too deep when my post wasn't aimed at anyone in particular. the post is about a cheap mic, not how to angle and record. To each his own opinion as we are both entitled to. Good luck to everything you do. Instead of you goin back and forth with me (as if that's gonna get you anywhere), let's get back to the original post ya dig...

P.S. If you really want to make bets, let's me and you put up tracks recorded at our individual studios and see which one is considered the better track (or more professionally sound), from the recording down to the production fam. Other than that, we straight. I always agree to disagree...
Underlined and bold emphasis mine.

Thats not a problem at all, and if you really want to take it there it's all good. I listened to your song that you posted. Production is ok, I would have changed some things in the arrangement, mix (brought the kick up and panned the percussion parts different for the hook segments) and vocals in the hook are up a tad bit high for my taste.

I'll go through my files this weekend and see if I still have the Topkat stuff (Koch Records) and post the song I mixed, that was unmastered and constantly played on the radio, or I'll dig up some shit with the federation and turf talk that was recorded here.

As far as getting to deep no one is getting to deep with anything. You made a statement, I didn't agree with the statement, I told you why I didn't agree with the statement, and you came back saying it is "nonsense" and not applicable to real world situations.

Now you are saying this is about a cheap mic and not about how to angle and record, but if this is about a mic and soley about a mic why are you mentioning a pre amp and EQ? If we use your logic proper recording techniques go flying waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay out the window in favor for the latest magic box or tinket that is supposed to magically make him sound like a superstar.

PS and thankyou for the well wishes I wish you and your camp the same.
 
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yes, i am using a pre-amp and like Heresy said for me to use any of those mics i would need a pre-amp...

and yes, i still got a muddy sound with using the Nt1a and the shure ksm27

and with the studio projects c3 my vocals dont sound muddy..

peep these tracks..

http://www.soundclick.com/bands/pagemusic.cfm?bandID=62017

i just uploaded these tracks so u can see the difference..

all used with the same pre-amp