Bay Rap Sales & Race
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What southern artist are you talkin bout? The big artist dont count. If you read my post based on the criteria that I stated there isn't another region doin like the Bay striclty INDEPENDENT. I mean come on yall all the major rap musics heads even admit the shit. Even 50 said on rap city that the underground independent scene is king in the Bay.
i'm talking about underground artists
do you listen to the underground southern scene?
do you know about greensboro, nc rap scene
about houston tx rap scene, atlanta, miami, etc etc
there is other places doing MORE then the bay independantly
he said it was king in the bay, yeah IN THE BAY cus that's all we have, and we don't even do too good at that
the bay spirit lives in individuals now, the bay area physically is not the same as it used to be
y'all will see me the fuck up outta here sellin records down south lol
do you listen to the underground southern scene?
do you know about greensboro, nc rap scene
about houston tx rap scene, atlanta, miami, etc etc
there is other places doing MORE then the bay independantly
he said it was king in the bay, yeah IN THE BAY cus that's all we have, and we don't even do too good at that
the bay spirit lives in individuals now, the bay area physically is not the same as it used to be
y'all will see me the fuck up outta here sellin records down south lol
Thank you, im done trying to argue and get my point across. People just dont wanna be realistic about. The numbers clearly state that there are more blacks down south. So since there are more blacks down south why cant more blacks be buying music down there? Shit just face it the south has more black people which means the southern artists will have a larger support base and dont even have to cater to the west coast. But i still dont understand how people still think that the south's bigger record sales arent not being based on black folks buying there music. I remember when i first went to the Bayou classic back in 99 Mike jones had a buzz back then, i thought the shit was garbage but in the south they loved that shit. Lets you just say a indy artist sales 5-10 thousand in all the south major black states that were listed ok thats still 50,000 in just black folks supporting your music alone. And lets not even start a convo about the screwed up music. There aint no way in the world that screwed up music is being supported more by whites. Shit southern artist sell more units screwed up then our own rappers in the bay lol. And why is that? cause there are more blacks down south to buy that screwed up shit!!
i dont believe its cuz of the race. its jus plain and simple that the mainstream has a lotta say in whether your gonna be pushin units or not. whose runnnin the mainstream tevelision and radio stations? it'z south muzik gettin played thruought the country. the bay more known folx like frontline and keak da sneak gets ALOT of radio play but it only stays here in the bay. its not bein heard across the U.S. out in ny or atlanta. bay folx arent gettin on BET or MTV not even makin BET's uncut other than federations "hyphy" but didnt get pushed much. how can u get ur units pushed if only a certain area only knows ur muzik? but if ur gettin ur shit played frum all areas on TV and radio and all that, u gonna be pushin major units like the souf iz doin so.
yeah, whatever percent you think white kids are buying the rap music
they're not buying the Scarface albums, their not buying the lil flip albums, their not buying the swisha house albums etc
and there's just texas where there are a LOT of white folks and a lot of black folk
the white demographic they speak of are buying Jay Z, Nelly, Eminem etc
they're not buying the Scarface albums, their not buying the lil flip albums, their not buying the swisha house albums etc
and there's just texas where there are a LOT of white folks and a lot of black folk
the white demographic they speak of are buying Jay Z, Nelly, Eminem etc
haha. damn you're stupid as fuck. let me explain whatever you didn't get about my post.
1) All those statistics are accurate, they represent the METROPOLITAN POPULATIONS of those cities. Wherever a city line is drawn is random. Since we're talking about music sales, it makes sense that an Atlanta artist could sell in the Atlanta metro area.
2) Maybe I should've explained why I used those cities? I thought it would be obvious to anyone who listens to rap music. Those 5 cities, excepting only Dallas, are the home base of the biggest--BY FAR--independent rappers in the South. Maybe you've never heard of Cash Money (New Orleans), Three 6 Mafia (Memphis), Swishahouse & Lil Flip & Rap-A-Lot (Houston), and all the various Atlanta rappers who started out independent, but I bet most of the other people on this board got my point. I included Dallas because it is part of what 510PLAYA is talking about--people in Southern cities supporting Southern artists, not necessarily just ones from their same city.
3) I included 5 major Bay Area cities. Maybe you're not from the Bay, so you don't understand how it is here. San Jose is by far the biggest city by population, followed by San Francisco and Oakland in order. I also included Richmond and Vallejo, because there are not only a lot of rappers from those cities but they both have significant black populations.
Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe there are actually 4 million black people living in Danville and my statistics didn't take that into account. Why don't you look it up and post that instead of just running off your mouth.
The fact is that well over 4 million people live in the Bay Area, and if TOTAL POPULATION was the only relevant statistic, we would sell as much here as any of those cities down South.
Houston, Texas. Done?
Also, the reason that Bay artists don't have distribution deals isn't because they don't want them, it's because most don't sell enough to get one. You can't just cut out all the indies who have distribution deals because my point about indie sales is EXACTLY WHY they got that distribution deal in the first place.
But if you think the distribution deal is making the difference, go and look up the sales of all the Bay albums released with major distribution deals and post them here. You can start with RBL Posse- An Eye for an Eye.
I'm not denying that the Bay has a thriving indie market. It definitely does. But it doesn't get anywhere CLOSE to the sales of these Southern cities and that's my point. You're talking about something else here.
Maybe you missed my response to this idea. Basically you need to prove to me that in URBAN AREAS white people are buying all the CDs that INDEPENDENT STREET RAPPERS sell. I don't believe it. If you do, prove it.
That's wrong for 2 reasons. First, the Bay demographic has changed, and you haven't noticed, then you don't live here. 510Playa explained it in another post. But you're also wrong because the reason that Bay artists sold a lot then was that they was selling those hundreds of thousands of units to the MIDWEST AND THE SOUTH!!! The midwest still buys some bay rap, but much less. The South doesn't buy it much at all anymore, now that they have so many of they own artists.
If you don't believe this, go ask the 2 biggest bay rappers E-40 and Too Short. They've both pointed out this change repeatedly. Why do you think $hort MOVED TO ATLANTA and E-40 SIGNED WITH LIL JON'S LABEL?? Is it really a mystery?
1) All those statistics are accurate, they represent the METROPOLITAN POPULATIONS of those cities. Wherever a city line is drawn is random. Since we're talking about music sales, it makes sense that an Atlanta artist could sell in the Atlanta metro area.
2) Maybe I should've explained why I used those cities? I thought it would be obvious to anyone who listens to rap music. Those 5 cities, excepting only Dallas, are the home base of the biggest--BY FAR--independent rappers in the South. Maybe you've never heard of Cash Money (New Orleans), Three 6 Mafia (Memphis), Swishahouse & Lil Flip & Rap-A-Lot (Houston), and all the various Atlanta rappers who started out independent, but I bet most of the other people on this board got my point. I included Dallas because it is part of what 510PLAYA is talking about--people in Southern cities supporting Southern artists, not necessarily just ones from their same city.
3) I included 5 major Bay Area cities. Maybe you're not from the Bay, so you don't understand how it is here. San Jose is by far the biggest city by population, followed by San Francisco and Oakland in order. I also included Richmond and Vallejo, because there are not only a lot of rappers from those cities but they both have significant black populations.
Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe there are actually 4 million black people living in Danville and my statistics didn't take that into account. Why don't you look it up and post that instead of just running off your mouth.
The fact is that well over 4 million people live in the Bay Area, and if TOTAL POPULATION was the only relevant statistic, we would sell as much here as any of those cities down South.
Houston, Texas. Done?
Also, the reason that Bay artists don't have distribution deals isn't because they don't want them, it's because most don't sell enough to get one. You can't just cut out all the indies who have distribution deals because my point about indie sales is EXACTLY WHY they got that distribution deal in the first place.
But if you think the distribution deal is making the difference, go and look up the sales of all the Bay albums released with major distribution deals and post them here. You can start with RBL Posse- An Eye for an Eye.
I'm not denying that the Bay has a thriving indie market. It definitely does. But it doesn't get anywhere CLOSE to the sales of these Southern cities and that's my point. You're talking about something else here.
Maybe you missed my response to this idea. Basically you need to prove to me that in URBAN AREAS white people are buying all the CDs that INDEPENDENT STREET RAPPERS sell. I don't believe it. If you do, prove it.
That's wrong for 2 reasons. First, the Bay demographic has changed, and you haven't noticed, then you don't live here. 510Playa explained it in another post. But you're also wrong because the reason that Bay artists sold a lot then was that they was selling those hundreds of thousands of units to the MIDWEST AND THE SOUTH!!! The midwest still buys some bay rap, but much less. The South doesn't buy it much at all anymore, now that they have so many of they own artists.
If you don't believe this, go ask the 2 biggest bay rappers E-40 and Too Short. They've both pointed out this change repeatedly. Why do you think $hort MOVED TO ATLANTA and E-40 SIGNED WITH LIL JON'S LABEL?? Is it really a mystery?
*yawns* yeah ok cuzzo
First of all I was born and raised in the Bay (East Oakland, vallejo, Fairfield) so miss me wit the maybe you aint from the bay shit.
If your goin to compare metrpolitans area of the south, than you need to compare them to the metro areas of the Bay cities as well, and not just individually like you did. Dont get mad because you tried to prove a point using statisticallly uneven data and got called on it.
Really all this theory shit is pointless because back in the day the south had a major black population but they shit wasn't sellin. The same goes for NY, they have the highest population of blacks in the country but they aint realy sellin right now either. It really just boils down to the fact that each region has had their time to shine, and right now its the souths turn, nothing more nothing less. Do they support there own music? Do they support each other as artist? Yes, they do all of that. When the west was on top we was all supportin our own shit and thats why the bay was movin units also. Same goes for the eastcoast. People have a tendency to lach on to things when they're successful and the same goes for hip hop.
Too short moved to atlanta cuz he liked it out there and his money would go further. he said so himself in an interview he did a while back. 40 signed with lil jon because it was a smart move. The south is on top and the man leading the way with southern sound is lil jon, why not sign wit him.
I really dont care to go back and forth so im not. But to say that the reason why the bay isn't movin units like it did back in the day, is because of the SLIGHT decline of the black population in metro areas is absolutely absurd. Especially considering that the black pop in metro areas in declining all over the country. The south included because more blacks are movin into suburban areas than ever before. Good music is what sells, all that other bullshit is for the birds. 100
First of all I was born and raised in the Bay (East Oakland, vallejo, Fairfield) so miss me wit the maybe you aint from the bay shit.
If your goin to compare metrpolitans area of the south, than you need to compare them to the metro areas of the Bay cities as well, and not just individually like you did. Dont get mad because you tried to prove a point using statisticallly uneven data and got called on it.
Really all this theory shit is pointless because back in the day the south had a major black population but they shit wasn't sellin. The same goes for NY, they have the highest population of blacks in the country but they aint realy sellin right now either. It really just boils down to the fact that each region has had their time to shine, and right now its the souths turn, nothing more nothing less. Do they support there own music? Do they support each other as artist? Yes, they do all of that. When the west was on top we was all supportin our own shit and thats why the bay was movin units also. Same goes for the eastcoast. People have a tendency to lach on to things when they're successful and the same goes for hip hop.
Too short moved to atlanta cuz he liked it out there and his money would go further. he said so himself in an interview he did a while back. 40 signed with lil jon because it was a smart move. The south is on top and the man leading the way with southern sound is lil jon, why not sign wit him.
I really dont care to go back and forth so im not. But to say that the reason why the bay isn't movin units like it did back in the day, is because of the SLIGHT decline of the black population in metro areas is absolutely absurd. Especially considering that the black pop in metro areas in declining all over the country. The south included because more blacks are movin into suburban areas than ever before. Good music is what sells, all that other bullshit is for the birds. 100
1.too many artists and not enough fans
2.bootlegs ( niggas ain't buying shit from stores )
3. internet downloads ( niggas ain't buying shit from stores )
4. lately the bay's sound has stepped up..but promotion, video's etc has slipped so far.
(NO CMC= no bay video's)
5. cats got like 3 singles n shit but the album don't touchdown for the next year n shit.
2.bootlegs ( niggas ain't buying shit from stores )
3. internet downloads ( niggas ain't buying shit from stores )
4. lately the bay's sound has stepped up..but promotion, video's etc has slipped so far.
(NO CMC= no bay video's)
5. cats got like 3 singles n shit but the album don't touchdown for the next year n shit.
I agree with you a lil bit when you named those down south city's they all support they artist not by buying they cd's but it's they life style they naturally support they own because if you go downsouth like i do you will see they really live what they rap i can truly say that and that's why they sell alot of units they flood they hoods with there music and also the radio stations play downsouth music which is there own artist it's called support which we don't get here i guess..