Australian men 'turning into metrosexual tossbags'

[EDJ]

Its valid. Several people here are basically destroying every point you're making, but you insist on going in circles.

LOL. PER YOUR PERCEPTION. BUT "DESTROYIN'" MY POINTS IS MISLEADIN'. MISUNDA-STANDIN' MY POINT IS BETTER SUITED. "IF" THEY WERE DESTROYIN' MY POINTS I WOULD REALIZE IT AND LEAVE IT AT THAT.

Yes, in some aspects and instances they DO want to be submissive. The problem doesn't come from not making up their mind because thats actually putting them in a box and forcing them to choose one or the other. The problem comes from lack of communication and not properly expressing (or hearing) the desires.

AND IN THE BOX THEY ARE. LOL J/P BUT YEAH, COMMUNICATION IS A PROBLEM IN MOST INSTANCES, THE KEY.

This doesn't make any sense.

CAUSE YOU AIN'T TRYIN' TO SEE IT. A WOMAN'S NATURE IS THAT SHE IS MORE FRAgILE THAN A MAN. SO IF SOMETHIN' IS TOO HEAVY FOR HER, IT'S AgAINST HER NATURE.

Why shouldn't she?

CAUSE A MAN IS MORE PHYSICALLY ABLE TO HANDLE THAT SHIT, UNLESS THE FOO' IS AS WEAK OR WEAKER THAN HER.

Because our society says men should do A and women should do B. Yet, in another country, it may be perfectly normal for a woman to change a tire even if a man is present and nothing may be said of it. LOL@"PERIOD"

WHAT COUNTRY IS THIS? BUT MY POINT AIN'T ABOUT WHAT SOCIETY SAYS. MY POINT IS WHAT MY CONSCIENCE SAYS.

Different cultures have different aspects of what they view women as. In some cultures WOMEN are the leaders of the family, and the ones held in high esteem/regards. What nature am I speaking of? The same one you are.

THEM CULTURES THAT LOOK AT WOMEN LIKE THAT ARE MISLEAD. WOMEN ARE UNDECISIVE CREATURES AND SHOULDN'T BE LEADERS(NOT SAYIN' WOMEN CAN'T LEAD, JUST SAYIN' THEY'RE MORE EMOTIONALLY CONNECTED, AND BASE A LOT OF THEIR CHOICES ON IMPULSE).

Driving is not that physical, but driving in uncomfortable conditions can take a toll on the body, not to mention that driving 2 hours to home AFTER work makes a person more tired.

NOT DISAgREEIN' WITH THIS.

Yes it can be strenuous and part of your misconception comes from the fact that you actually believe these jobs are NOT strenuous.

THEY CAN BE STRENUOUS IF YOU'RE PHYSICALLY INFERIOR, BUT I'M LOOKIN' AT IT FROM MY PERSPECTIVE. YEAH, IF YOU THERE LONg ENOUgH IT WILL BE STRENUOUS FOR N-E-BODY. BUT WHAT I'M SAYIN' IS THAT THEY'RE NOT PHYSICALLY DEMANDIN' FROM MY PERSPECTIVE( A MAN).

For the most part are secretaries using their biceps? No. However, repeated typing can lead to arthritis, carpal tunnel and other hand ailments.

NO ARgUMENT HERE.

In addition, glaring at a computer screen over long periods of time can help cause eye damage, and I won't even go into the lower body strain that may come from sitting at a desk for a long time.

SO YOU BASICALLY FINDIN' AN EXCUSE FOR YOUR AVERAgE COMPUTER NERD TOO, THAT SITS ON THE COMPUTER CHIT-CHATTIN' AWAY? IF THAT'S THE CASE, THEN JUST LIVIN' AND BEIN' ALIVE IS STRENUOUS. LAYIN' IN A BED FOR SO LONg IN THE SAME POSITION HAS IT'S EFFECTS. BUT THAT'S NOT THE POINT.

This doesn't make any sense.

WHY NOT? LET ME SIMPLIFY MY ANSWER.
WHAT'S PHYSICAL TO WOMEN= NOT NECESSARILY PHYSICAL TO ME, UNLESS I DO IT ENOUgH TIMES TO THE POINT OF OVER EXHAUSTION.

WHAT'S PHYSICAL TO ME=HELLA PHYSICAL TO WOMEN(NO DOUBTS ABOUT IT)

Again, you are missing my point, and next time you should probably ask me to clarify before you run off on a tagent and make the claim that I am proving your point. Question for you, when I said thats physical to them am I implying physical to women as a whole, that specific woman or what that woman THINKS is physical?

O.K CUZZ, WHICH ONE IS IT?

This is blatent foolishness. Again, letting a woman pay the tab for dinner is 100% different from a woman working 5 days a week to support the household!! One is short term and has NO IMPACT on the household. The other is long term and DOES have an impact on the household.

IT CAN BE LONgTERM IF I LET HER PAY EACH AND EVERY TIME AND gO OUT AND EAT EVERY DAY. LOL AND IT WOULD HAVE AN IMPACT ON THE HOUSEHOLD. LET ME QUIT..... I gET YOUR POINT THOUgH. CHANgIN' A TIRE AIN'T LONgTERM.

Because you would not be fulfilling the role of PROVIDER. What you are saying is it is ok to handle short term problems and fill the shoes of the "almight superior male" all while NEGLECTING the long term role of PROVIDER for the family.

NOW YOU SOUNDIN' A LITTLE CAVEMANISH. JUST CAUSE SOCIETY HAS TRADITIONALLY VIEWED A MAN AS BEIN' A PROVIDER, THE ONE BRINgIN' HOME THE BACON. WHAT'S WRONg WITH A WOMAN HAVIN' A SECULAR JOB AND THE MAN TAKIN' CARE OF HOME(CLEANIN' THE HOUSE, LACIN' THE YOUNgSTA'S AND UPKEEPIN' THE YARD)?

Sure you do.

DAMN CUZZ, IS THAT HOW YOU REALLY SEE ME? LOL J/P THAT RIgHT THERE CONTRADICTS MY STATEMENT(I WAS PLAYIN HOMIE). BUT PERCEPTION IS A MUTHA-FUKA.

 

[I AM]

Captain Caveman says:

"Someone should gather up a female or two from the Sista Side to give another perspective to this argument."

You should make that picture smaller so EDJ can use it as his avatar. :classic:

 

[HERESY]

LOL. PER YOUR PERCEPTION. BUT "DESTROYIN'" MY POINTS IS MISLEADIN'. MISUNDA-STANDIN' MY POINT IS BETTER SUITED. "IF" THEY WERE DESTROYIN' MY POINTS I WOULD REALIZE IT AND LEAVE IT AT THAT.

No, the general consensus in this thread is your points have been destroyed. It happens to the best of us don't worry about it, and I don't believe anyone here is misunderstanding your point.

CAUSE YOU AIN'T TRYIN' TO SEE IT. A WOMAN'S NATURE IS THAT SHE IS MORE FRAgILE THAN A MAN. SO IF SOMETHIN' IS TOO HEAVY FOR HER, IT'S AgAINST HER NATURE.

No, you simply don't make sense. A womans "nature" is not she is more fragile than a man. A womans GENDER dictates that she is supposed to be more fragile than a man, and this way of thinking has often led to inequality for women. Can you lift the rear end of a car off the ground? If not does it go against your "nature" or the nature of men when you have power lifters who can? Are they more "manly" than you? Is it against a mans nature to not work while the female does?

CAUSE A MAN IS MORE PHYSICALLY ABLE TO HANDLE THAT SHIT, UNLESS THE FOO' IS AS WEAK OR WEAKER THAN HER.

And some would say a man is more geared towards being the financial provider for the home because the womans place is at home, yet you have provided some warped examples to justify why this shouldn't hold true.

WHAT COUNTRY IS THIS?

Any country that has a matriarchy would be a good starting point.

BUT MY POINT AIN'T ABOUT WHAT SOCIETY SAYS. MY POINT IS WHAT MY CONSCIENCE SAYS.

Sure.

THEM CULTURES THAT LOOK AT WOMEN LIKE THAT ARE MISLEAD.

How are they mislead, and on what grounds do you have to say someones CULTURE is misleading?

WOMEN ARE UNDECISIVE CREATURES AND SHOULDN'T BE LEADERS(NOT SAYIN' WOMEN CAN'T LEAD, JUST SAYIN' THEY'RE MORE EMOTIONALLY CONNECTED, AND BASE A LOT OF THEIR CHOICES ON IMPULSE)

The problem with some men such as yourself is you tend to underestimate the mental prowess of many women and you base your perspective on limited to no experience. Also, in terms of choices and descisions what exactly are we talking about? Business choices? Relationship choices?

THEY CAN BE STRENUOUS IF YOU'RE PHYSICALLY INFERIOR, BUT I'M LOOKIN' AT IT FROM MY PERSPECTIVE. YEAH, IF YOU THERE LONg ENOUgH IT WILL BE STRENUOUS FOR N-E-BODY. BUT WHAT I'M SAYIN' IS THAT THEY'RE NOT PHYSICALLY DEMANDIN' FROM MY PERSPECTIVE( A MAN).

Listen, short term they are not physically demanding. Long term they ARE, and in long term it doesn't matter if you are male or female or if one is physically inferior. These things ar enot physically demanding to YOU but over time they may physically demanding to anyone.

SO YOU BASICALLY FINDIN' AN EXCUSE FOR YOUR AVERAgE COMPUTER NERD TOO, THAT SITS ON THE COMPUTER CHIT-CHATTIN' AWAY? IF THAT'S THE CASE, THEN JUST LIVIN' AND BEIN' ALIVE IS STRENUOUS. LAYIN' IN A BED FOR SO LONg IN THE SAME POSITION HAS IT'S EFFECTS. BUT THAT'S NOT THE POINT.

First off, who lays in bed for a living? Unless you're testing matresses I would say that no one lays in bed for a living. Do people who sit at computers and do so for long periods of time do so in order to make a living? YES! Graphic artists, engineers who mix in the box (all inside the computer no outboard gear), data entry workers, etc. See, you are comparing and contrasting things that have nothing in common except for restriction of movement, and this is why your argument does not make any sense. And who said I was finding an excuse for a computer nerd? Do you not sit at your computer for hours on hand working on graphics? Do you not sit at your computer for hours on hand in cubase?

WHY NOT? LET ME SIMPLIFY MY ANSWER.
WHAT'S PHYSICAL TO WOMEN= NOT NECESSARILY PHYSICAL TO ME, UNLESS I DO IT ENOUgH TIMES TO THE POINT OF OVER EXHAUSTION.

WHAT'S PHYSICAL TO ME=HELLA PHYSICAL TO WOMEN(NO DOUBTS ABOUT IT)

What is physical to YOU may be physiacl to SOME women, and to help you out I'll even say MOST women. However, explain to me why you have women working construction (doing the SAME jobs as men), why women are police officers and fire ladies who have to lift the SAME amount of weight as men, and why women are most employed in the field of physical aid as it relates to mentally and physically disabled people (<--my mom did this for 20 years and this is PHYSICALLY DEMANDING.)

O.K CUZZ, WHICH ONE IS IT?

You tell me since you jumped the gun.

NOW YOU SOUNDIN' A LITTLE CAVEMANISH. JUST CAUSE SOCIETY HAS TRADITIONALLY VIEWED A MAN AS BEIN' A PROVIDER, THE ONE BRINgIN' HOME THE BACON. WHAT'S WRONg WITH A WOMAN HAVIN' A SECULAR JOB AND THE MAN TAKIN' CARE OF HOME(CLEANIN' THE HOUSE, LACIN' THE YOUNgSTA'S AND UPKEEPIN' THE YARD)?

LMAO! I SOUND LIKE A CAVEMAN?!?!?! ROFL!!!!!! There is NOTHING wrong with a woman working and bringing home the money. Listen, my ex, the one I posted a pic of years back, made waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more money than I did. We had made plans to where if we got married she would work, and I would take care of the home since her business affairs required her to travel a lot. Personally, I have NO problem with this, but speaking from experience when you do not see your partner for long periods of time it leads to frustration and problems within the relationship. However, I would ALWAYS want to have my own or something tucked away just in case the woman comes with that "nigga I paid for all of this" or "I made us" or "this is mine" bullshit.

But, the problem you continue to exhibit is your double standard. You are saying I sound like a cave man and suggest men shouldn't have to do something that has been traditionally set for most men to do, yet you are saying men should do the LESSER role of changing a tire when it needs to be changed....

DAMN CUZZ, IS THAT HOW YOU REALLY SEE ME? LOL J/P THAT RIgHT THERE CONTRADICTS MY STATEMENT(I WAS PLAYIN HOMIE). BUT PERCEPTION IS A MUTHA-FUKA.

lighten up!

 

[EDJ]

^I'M JUST PLAYIN' DEVILS ADVOCATE MY NIgK. DEFENDIN' OPPOSITE POINTS AIN'T EASY. BTW, I CAN LIFT THE BAK OF A CAR. LOL NO JOKE. BUT YEAH I gET MOST OF YOUR POINTS.

 

[EDJ]

You should make that picture smaller so EDJ can use it as his avatar. :classic:

THAT IS VERY CONDESCENDIN'