Australian men 'turning into metrosexual tossbags'

I AM · Oct 3, 2006

EDJ, refer to the quote ZigZagBurna used above.

And yes, growing up without a father has it's effects, I'm in the same boat.

I'm just trying to get you to look at it from my perspective, which is more open minded than most posts in here. I realize you're playing that side for the sake of the argument, but honestly, do you agree with anything I've said?

I'm not really into the 80-quote replies anymore, so as long as you can see what I'm sayin that's cool with me. You don't HAVE to be a certain way to be a "man"...Nor do you have to do certain things, SOCIETY simply indirectly tells you that you must be a certain way, and in some cases society directly tells you how to act. I think that's sad.

Hutch · Oct 3, 2006

Oh man, you got me. I can’t read, it’s true! I often try to get my colleagues to read the posts to me, but then my comprehension isn’t very good so they usually have to break it down into laymans terms for me to understand. I’m trying though!

You stated that men who are more high maintenance rely on others to do things for them. You then used the term ‘Personally’ when referring to how you wouldn’t perform laborious tasks so as to avoid fucking up your nails, hair, clothes etc. In the following paragraph, however, you apparently extend this meaning to everyone with that lifestyle choice;

EDJ said:

I obviously didn’t use the term ‘bitchmade’ in the correct context – let me change that world for ‘pansy’ or something of that ilk. You clearly suggested that being high maintenance would increase your dependency on others because you would either (a) not have enough time to do such tasks, or; (b) wouldn’t want to get your hands dirty. Then you say that it is the attitude and not what the man puts on which determines whether you fall into that category. However, by suggesting the above points (a) and (b), you are placing all high maintenance men into an attitude class (that of being pansies, or my misnomer ‘bitchmade’).

EDJ said:

Let me reiterate my previous statement: If his (White Devils) assessment is correct (which I believe it is), then you are a hypocrite (which I believe you are). If you spend an hour getting ‘pimped out’, why is that different from another man spending an hour getting his hair and nails done? You have both spent the same amount of time making yourselves look good which means you both have less time to ‘refine your mechanical skills’.

Everyone needs to indulge to an extent, and yes – if you spend all day fixing cars then you have no time to pamper yourself. The only difference between you and these 'metrosexuals' is that the way in which you choose to pamper yourselves. Why does their way result in them becoming more like a child or a woman than yours? Do you feel justified automatically ascribing to them an attitude of being child-like or womanly because they care for their appearance?

I AM · Oct 3, 2006

^shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit...co-sign...especially to the last 2 paragraphs..

EDJ · Oct 4, 2006

HUTCH,
I'M TRYIN' TO PLAY DEVILS ADVOCATE. PIMPIN' YOURSELF DOES MEAN , DOIN' YOUR HAIR, NAILS, ETC... TOO.
AND NO I CAN'T BE THE HIPOCRITE TO SAY THAT SHIT IS "PANSY" AS YOU WOULD REFER TO IT AS. ALL I'M SAYIN' IS THAT AS YOU BECOME MORE PAMPERED, YOU gET LAZY, AND THUS LOSE SIgHT OF THOSE SKILLS(AND THIS INCLUDES ME). I AIN'T IMPLYIN' SHIT ABOUT BEIN' "BITCHMADE". I AIN'T PLACIN' "ALL". YOU ARE.
AND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN ME AND A METRO-SEXUAL IS THAT I AIN'T AFRAID TO gET DOWN AND DIRTY(I DOWN RUINED MANY OF SUITS WITH THIS BEHAVIOR). THE CLOTHES DOES NOT MAKE ME. UNDA-STAND THIS.

I AM · Oct 4, 2006

How many metrosexuals do you know?

Point being, you can't say that a metrosexual wouldn't get down and dirty. You don't KNOW any of that, cause you dont' KNOW every metrosexual. I'll bet you my car, that someone there is a metrosexual who works on cars or digs ditches for contruction or some shit.

Shit, how about all the rappers that get manicures and pedicures, and get their hair cut once a week? They even have people drive them around sometimes, but it's not cause they CAN'T do it....it's cause they don't HAVE to do it. Does that make them metrosexual though?

EDJ · Oct 4, 2006

SIXXNESS,

YOU STRESSED, "What's really sad is that people automatically assume there is a way for a man to be and a way for a woman to be. If nobody told anybody else shit and there was nothing to tell us who to be, how to be, etc, we would just be who were are without interference."

SINCE YOU DIDN'T gET MY ANSWERS I gUESS I HAVE TO BREAK IT DOWN. MEN'S ROLES STARTED OUT AS SURVIVAL AND THEN AS TIME PROgRESSED TO THIS MODERN DAY AND AgE, AS JUST HOBBIES(IN MOST INSTANCES). AND THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYIN' TO TELL YOU. YOU MAKE IT SEEM LIKE MEN AND WOMEN ARE ALL EQUAL IN EVERY ASPECT. ARE YOU gONNA LET YOUR gIRL CHANgE THE TIRE IF YOU gET A FLAT? IF YOU IN THE WOODS, ARE YOU gONNA LET YOUR gIRL CARRY THE HEAVY WOOD AND HER CHOP IT WHILE YOU'RE INSIDE LIFTIN' STIKS? THERE'S LIMITATIONS IN A WOMANS PHYSICAL ABILITIES AND THAT'S WHAT SEPERATES US AND THAT'S WHERE OUR ROLES PLAY IN. IT'S COMMON SENSE.

THEN YOU STRESSED, " You don't have to do certain things to be a man."

I BEg TO DIFFER.

THEN YOU STRESSED, " That's just what most people think because that's what they are told and have been told all their lives."

NOT ONLY TOLD. BUT SEEN FOR THEMSELVES.

THEN YOU STRESSED, " People need to say fuck it and just live life and not worry so much about what things are called and how things "should" be according to some stupid mother fucker that doesn't know more than .1% of the population in their own country."

AND PEOPLE NEED TO KNOW WHAT'S REALLY REAL AND WHEN SHIT HITS THE FAN, THEY NEED TO KNOW IF THEY gOT THE SKILLS TO SURVIVE.

I AM · Oct 4, 2006

EDJ said:

Exactly, PEOPLE. NOT MEN.

EDJ · Oct 4, 2006

Sixxness said:

I BELIEVE YOU REFERRIN' TO METROSEXUAL AS PRETTY BOYS OR SOME SHIT. I gUESS THAT'S A WHITEBOY TERM OR SOMETHIN'. BUT AS I SAID, TIME IS A FACTOR, AND PEOPLE LIVIN' THAT LIFESTYLE DON'T USUALLY gET DOWN AND DIRTY.
AND SEE THAT'S MY POINT THAT IN THIS DAY AND AgE MUTHA-FUKAS(THANKS TO TECHNOLOgY AND THE LIKE) ARE PAMPERED. AND I KNOW THEY AIN'T gOT TO DO SHIT AND THAT'S MY POINT ABOUT THIS MODERN DAY AND AgE. WHETHA YOU A RAPPER OR WHATEVA THE FUK. FOO'S DON'T DO SHIT CAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE TO. WHICH ENABLES THEM TO BE MORE HIgH MAINTENANCE. DOES IT MAKE THEM BITCH MADE? NO. NOW YOU NEED TO gO BAK AND READ MY STATEMENTS CAUSE IT'S OBVIOUS THAT YOU AIN'T READ MY POINTS.

EDJ · Oct 4, 2006

Sixxness said:

BUT I SPEAKIN' FROM A MAN'S PERSPECTIVE, SO gO FIgURE.

I AM · Oct 4, 2006

I didn't read the last few novels you wrote to me, cause I said I didn't want to do that. We're saying the same thing 20 different ways to make the same ONE point.

You know where I stand, and I know where you stand, the rapper comment in the last part was something I almost didn't post. But I felt it was necessary anyway.

But they do have a choice, as does everyone. You can MAKE time if it's that important.

EDJ · Oct 4, 2006

Sixxness said:

EXACTLY, LEARN HOW TO READ. I PLAYED DEVILS ADVOCATE TO COUNTER YOUR SOCIETY ROLE SHIT YOU STRESSED AND YET AND STILL YOU HAVE THE AUDACITY TO NOT READ AND COUNTER MY SHIT, BUT REgURgITATE SOMETHIN' I ORIgINALLY COUNTERED. YOU TOO CAUgHT UP IN THE MODERN AgE TO WHERE YOU DON'T SEE THE LOgIC AS TO WHY THANgS ARE THE WAY THEY ARE. ALL YOU DOIN' IS MAKIN' MORE EXCUSES AS TO WHY MEN SHOULD ACT MORE "FEMININE" AND AT THE END, A MAN IS DEFINED BY HIS PHYSICAL CAPABILITIES.

HERESY · Oct 4, 2006

Sixxness said:

(emphasis mine)

Take a look at the words in bold. Are you implying or stating that these same man are working on cars or digging ditches while they have that "look"?

I AM · Oct 4, 2006

EDJ said:

If you learned to read, you'd go back the first page and my other posts throughout this thread and realize I've already answered everything. And maybe you should learn to define things differently. Instead of how society indirectly tells you to. My world works how I see it, NOT how society and everyone else tells me they think it works. That's not REAL.

HERESY said:

No. What I'm saying is, they go to work and get dirty and do their shit, but may still come home and MAKE the time to look/feel good/nice/whatever but that doesn't make them feminine.

I just have a problem with people labeling things they don't truely understand. And since NOBODY truely understands ANYTHING 100% inside and out, everyone should shut the fuck up and just live, instead of labeling things that don't make a difference in the grand scheme of the universe. Metro, hetero, homo, who gives a FUCK. You're still made up of the same energy, so you're (or we all, which ever) all one in the same.

EDJ · Oct 4, 2006

^LOL. WHO PUT A SPLINTER UP YOUR ASS TODAY. LOL

EDJ · Oct 4, 2006

Sixxness said:

NO YOU HAVEN'T, OR ELSE I WOULD'VE NEVA CAME IN HERE PLAYIN' DEVIL'S ADVOCATE.

Sixxness said:

gOOD TO FINALLY SEE YOU ADMIT THAT YOU DEFINE THANgS JUST TO gO AgAINST THE gRAIN AND THAT'S NOT REAL IN ITSELF, IF THAT'S THE MAIN PURPOSE. AND I AIN'T DEFININ' SHIT HOW SOCIETY DEFINES IT, BUT LOOKIN' AT IT LOgICALLY AND WHY IT'S LABELED AS SUCH(WITHOUT JUST LOOKIN' AT TRENDS, THE ADVANCEMENT OF TECHNOLOgY, POLITICS, AND SO FORTH).

I AM · Oct 4, 2006

You obviously didn't catch my drift, so I'm done here. I don't label things because it's different, I do what I do based on my knowledge and experiences not based on what people tell me I should think or feel or believe. I do ME, not EVERYONE ELSE.

You believe what you want, and I'll believe what I want. And I'll be right in the end

EDJ · Oct 4, 2006

^YOU THINK? SO ANSWER THIS: IF YOU gOT A FLAT TIRE AND YOUR gIRL OFFERED TO CHANgE IT WOULD YOU LET HER(AND SHE WEIgHS UNDER A BUK)?

I AM · Oct 4, 2006

Fuck yeah I'd let her. I know my girl can change a tire, cause she's had to do it in the snow, on her own. Even IF she hadn't, I would still let her. But she wouldn't be driving my car, cause it's lowered and has low pros, she'd fuck it up. That and I don't have a jack for my car, in my car. But yes, she is fully capable and I would let her, even if people said it was fucked up that I let a girl do it, I'd tell them to eat a dick. I don't give a FUCK what people say.

EDJ · Oct 4, 2006

^EVEN IF SHE WEIgHED UNDER 100LBS AND CAN'T BARELY LIFT THE TIRE?

Hutch · Oct 4, 2006

EDJ said:

I know you're trying to play devils advocate - I apprecaite people who go against popular opinion in order to force a more astute definition of ones beliefs. However, you just claimed that 'you're not placing all [metrosexuals in a category]', and then immediately followed that statement by saying 'the difference between me and a metrosexual is that I am not afraid to get down and dirty'. You therefore placed ALL metrosexuals into a category, which blatantly contradicts your first statement.

Let's just end this discussion now. Some metrosexuals don't like to dirty themselves up, others don't mind - both sides of the argument contain some truth. It's no good stereotyping people based on what they do in their lives - after all, you stated in one of your previous posts that a man is defined by his physical capabilities - why should caring about ones appearance decrease a mans capacity to perform 'manly' tasks?

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