Astrology is bullshit. Astrology is bullshit. Astrology is bullshit.

[TROLL]

Science is our true understanding of this universe.

Yet we kno so little about whats beyond our rinky dink planet. Science can tell us only so much through observations but there are things going on all around us that we do not see, yet science will state they are there. How long has it been scince we split the atom. what is the ratio of answers we gained from it compared to the number of more questions it raised??
now do u think its possible that there is way more out there then science has yet to uncover??

Its hard to believe in something that isnt visually seen but i always believed that we were given more then one sense too utilize our perception into receving more then what can just be visually present.


a quote i found...

THE definition of magic, as used in this book, is: "The change in situations or events in accordance with one's will, which would, using normally accepted methods, be unchangable." This admittedly leaves a large area for personal interpretation. It will be said, by some, that these instructions and procedures are nothing more than applied psychology, or scientific fact, called by "magical" terminology - until they arrive at a passage in the text that is "based on no known scientific finding". It is for this reason that no attempt has been made to limit the explanations set forth to a set nomenclature. Magic is never totally scientifically explainable, but science has always been, at one time or another, considered magic.

 

[m.w.merlino]

i dont think relgion and ignorants pushed witchcraft and magic towards myth. Science is doing that. Religion and ignorant is now pushing this country towards shit...lol

I was referring to the salem witch trials mainly...after that im sure the idea of magic and witchcraft wasn't too popular...

as for the reiki information you posted...

"because of the lack of objective evidence for its theories or its results, the scientific establishment considers Reiki to be quackery."

...lol

"lack of objective evidence". So, companies that spend billions to get a drug approved (regardless of how safe it is) and fund their own studies (in some cases, the placebo effect was stronger in more people) and thats acceptable? Thats objective evidence? Modern medicine isn't working for ALOT of people, and the side effects of most drugs are almost as bad as what they try to remedy...so if reiki is "quackery" then modern medicine (in many cases) is complete bullshit.

The reason reiki doesn't work in some people is simply because they don't want it to work. Reiki practitioners don't give energy, we simple direct it. What you do with that energy is up to you.

"Reiki is said by its practitioners to be a form of complementary or alternative medicine, developed (or rediscovered) during the Meiji period (the late 19th century) by Mikao Usui"

Mikao Usui rediscovered reiki. The first enlightened siddartha (pre-dating jesus) is thought to have discovered reiki. It is also believed that the wise men took Jesus to India and taught him reiki, and that is how he healed people. This is off the top of my head, ill quote from the book i read tommorow...

 

[40ozThugsta]

i wanna learn reiki

i agree that modern medicine is bullshit..
the doc says.. either drugs..
surgery or yo u die....
they are full of shit....
also the drugs they give you fuck you more than if you didn;t take them most fo the time....
I have more faith in the alternative meds and Reiki
than some doc that only says drugs and surgeries or death etc....
what a bunch of bullshit..
and they never heal anything they only supresses it to keep people coming back
to make money off them...

it;s all about Reiki and other powers fucc all the other bullshit

 

[MackRavenn]

"Reiki is said by its practitioners to be a form of complementary or alternative medicine, developed (or rediscovered) during the Meiji period (the late 19th century) by Mikao Usui"

Mikao Usui rediscovered reiki. The first enlightened siddartha (pre-dating jesus) is thought to have discovered reiki. It is also believed that the wise men took Jesus to India and taught him reiki, and that is how he healed people. This is off the top of my head, ill quote from the book i read tommorow...

Actually, Reiki wasn't discovered by Siddhartha...."In the start of the universe, Reiki was incorporated into the genetic coding as a birthright of all people. Reiki is a part of every one of us. It was once universal and was never meant to be lost.

Children of early Earth, in the civilization we call Mu today, received Reiki I training at the beginning of grade school. They Received Reiki II at what we would define as junior high school age. Reiki III, the Teacher/Master's training, was required for educators and was available to any who wanted it.

When the people of its root culture left the mainland of Mu to colonize what is now India and Tibet, Reiki continued with them, though Mu was eventually lost. The Earth changes that destroyed first Mu and then Atlantis resulted in severe cultural disorganization, causing the healing system to remain the knowlege of only a select few.

When in the 19th century a Japanese man (Usui) sought the origins of Jesus' and the Buddha's method of healing, he found them in the ancient remnants of Shiva's early culture in the esoteric teachings of India."

Therefore, the traditional Reiki story begins in the MID-1800s with Mikao Usui....who ended up at a Zen Monestary to discover enlightenment and receive the gift and birthright of Reiki.

Reiki is how Jesus and Buddha did all of their healings. They were nothing more than Tulkas and Bodhisttavas (Enlightened people whose souls continued to reincarnate with the purpose of teaching the world to show them the path to enlightenment).

Quoted from: "Essentail Reiki" written by Diane Stein

 

[MackRavenn]

i wanna learn reiki

In order to learn Reiki, you must come in contact with a Reiki master (a 3rd degree practitioner). They are the only people (most of the time) who can attune you to use this universal energy.

One good way to find Reiki practitioners is to call massage therapists in the phone book and ask if they incorporate Reiki into their practice. There are some Reiki practitioners that will charge you for their services, however, you will almost always be able to find someone who does not agree with charging.

Many believe it is the birthright of the people and that they do not need to pay. Others believe that most people will not utilitze it and will take it for granted once they have it and believe payment is necessary. Its all really in what you're willing to do to achieve it.

There are many different ways that people are introduced to Reiki. If you want to attend a seminar, then you will pay money, and get a full in depth training. From personal experience, I was attuned and my master gave me quite a bit of information, but referred me to some books, which I have found extremely useful. I didn't pay a dime.

It also depends on if certification is important to you...a seminar will "certify" you. I do not have a certification for my level I practitioner degree, but my reiki powers work the same as everyone else's.

Some good books to get if you're really interested are:

Essential Reiki by Diane Stein
Empowerment through Reiki by Paula Horan

Another good subject to study in line with Reiki (because it is a healing art that combines well with many others): Chakras and/or meditation.


If you would like anymore information, just ask...

 

[I AM]

I'm not gonna waste my time reading all the bullshit that was in the first post. I'll just say this.

If you aren't a follower of a religion, you can call yourself whatever you want. If you have a problem with that, GO TO A FUCKING THERAPIST-cause you have issues dog.

And people have been studying astrology for thousands of years...If you don't think they've found anything worth while, that's your stance, but talking shit about other beliefs cause you dont' know about them/disagree with them, is really immature.

I don't think that the daily horoscopes are worthwhile though. If you let someone else tell you how to live your life, you're an idiot. But knowing your sign and knowing what the traits of it are, can be helpful. Cause I'd say that my sign's traits match me pretty fucking well.

Sometimes I think this forum needs to change it's name to, "dumb fucks talking shit about stuff they don't understand/disagree with." Seems like a breeding ground for people to bitch about shit they don't like or dont' comprehend-rather than discussing it LIKE AN INTELLIGENT PERSON...Hense, "Gathering of the Minds," not "Gathering of Fuck Sticks."

 

[Rob S4]

How about the use by the President and First Lady of astrology to guide in the making of important decisions in the White House?

And people scoff at the Romanov's for Rasputin.

You are an idiot.

 

[ColdBlooded]

^^^ got hurt feelings because her heroes are lunatics that consult other lunatics for advice from the stars.

 

[D-Boy]

do you realize how ridiculous this sounds? everyone born within a certain time period all have the same traits? this is fucking retarded

 

[nefar559]

I'm not gonna waste my time reading all the bullshit that was in the first post. I'll just say this.

If you aren't a follower of a religion, you can call yourself whatever you want. If you have a problem with that, GO TO A FUCKING THERAPIST-cause you have issues dog.

And people have been studying astrology for thousands of years...If you don't think they've found anything worth while, that's your stance, but talking shit about other beliefs cause you dont' know about them/disagree with them, is really immature.

I don't think that the daily horoscopes are worthwhile though. If you let someone else tell you how to live your life, you're an idiot. But knowing your sign and knowing what the traits of it are, can be helpful. Cause I'd say that my sign's traits match me pretty fucking well.

Sometimes I think this forum needs to change it's name to, "dumb fucks talking shit about stuff they don't understand/disagree with." Seems like a breeding ground for people to bitch about shit they don't like or dont' comprehend-rather than discussing it LIKE AN INTELLIGENT PERSON...Hense, "Gathering of the Minds," not "Gathering of Fuck Sticks."

i have issues with everything, why is it that mexican peasants believe similiar shit, and yet there educated sons and daughters dont agree with them at all on issues like these. Examples would be eclipse being a fight between moon sun and earth..LOL..or astrology, every watch univision? Walter Mercado?

fuck man, its the medieval age again.

 

[studiogangster]

im spiritual. not atsrologically speaking. I dont know if it's the dreams or the drugs or the fucked up voices inside me but...you people dont want to hit with my fuck stick

 

[TROLL]

why is it that mexican peasants believe similiar shit, and yet there educated sons and daughters dont agree with them at all on issues like these.

Detatchment. That would be the best way i could describe it. their "educated" spawnlings were obviously raised in a diffrent region or they would have been as "educated" as their elder's right?

 

[nefar559]

Detatchment. That would be the best way i could describe it. their "educated" spawnlings were obviously raised in a diffrent region or they would have been as "educated" as their elder's right?

you're right.

A lot of my older family members weren't educated at all, at the most they have a 3rd grade education. And i believe that is the reason why they turn to paranormal explaintions of life, its just ridiculous. Imagine rasied in that type of envorment? its like medieval times.

 

[TROLL]

you're right.

A lot of my older family members weren't educated at all, at the most they have a 3rd grade education. And i believe that is the reason why they turn to paranormal explaintions of life, its just ridiculous. Imagine rasied in that type of envorment? its like medieval times.

How do you make the connections that those who are less intelligent turn to what you call paranormal?? There are many intelligent occultists and religious people out there and to claim that only the uneducated believe in them sounds like a witful jab in the gut...no, whats ridiculous is to actually state that your elders beliefs are a direct cause of what they werent taught by a goverment funded series of standardized tests.

I always assumed that those who can't fathom the existence of anything beyond the obvious as being the ones who are un-intelligent....or perhaps ignorant is a better word as ignorance is treatable when your stuck with your overall intelligence.


id be willing to bet that the "mexican immigrants" u spoke of in the previous thread were your "older family members" u mentioned in this one. Sounds like you need to not harbor any negativity towards your family because they arent as intelligent. Maybe they didnt have the opportunities you had but are much more knowledgeble in the things you yourself have been come to not want to learn about.

oh and a side note, SCIENCE has claimed that it is human nature to be SPIRITUAL. maybe your the anamoly (<--unsure of spelling)

 

[2-0-Sixx]

I always assumed that those who can't fathom the existence of anything beyond the obvious as being the ones who are un-intelligent....or perhaps ignorant is a better word as ignorance is treatable when your stuck with your overall intelligence.

Its not that people cant "fathom the existence of anything beyond the obvious", it’s that we choose not to believe in things without facts or at least supporting evidence. IMO, it is irrational to believe in things without some kind of proof or consistent data that can be subjected to tests and experiments.

Throughout human history, not one single shred of empirical evidence has ever been presented that supports the existence of any sort of supernatural being, place, or event - God included.

The only kind of evidence that is valid is evidence that is empirically gathered. This requires using the scientific method to gather this evidence. Here is a brief introduction to the scientific method in case you’re unfamiliar.

Until there is supporting evidence for the supernatural, IMO it is irrational to believe in it.

oh and a side note, SCIENCE has claimed that it is human nature to be SPIRITUAL. maybe your the anamoly (<--unsure of spelling)

Link please. The scientific community has seen no evidence supporting the idea of a spirit or a soul so I seriously doubt your claim. Until you can at least provide a link or a source, your statement means nothing. To the best of my knowledge, the only research that has been conducted (recently) that may be related to your statement was that of a small number of scientists who believe they located the place in the brain which is responsible for the belief in a god or “spiritual” experiences.

BTW,

You're as in You Are. Nefar doesn’t own the anomaly.

 

[nefar559]

How do you make the connections that those who are less intelligent turn to what you call paranormal?? There are many intelligent occultists and religious people out there and to claim that only the uneducated believe in them sounds like a witful jab in the gut...no, whats ridiculous is to actually state that your elders beliefs are a direct cause of what they werent taught by a goverment funded series of standardized tests.

I always assumed that those who can't fathom the existence of anything beyond the obvious as being the ones who are un-intelligent....or perhaps ignorant is a better word as ignorance is treatable when your stuck with your overall intelligence.


id be willing to bet that the "mexican immigrants" u spoke of in the previous thread were your "older family members" u mentioned in this one. Sounds like you need to not harbor any negativity towards your family because they arent as intelligent. Maybe they didnt have the opportunities you had but are much more knowledgeble in the things you yourself have been come to not want to learn about.

oh and a side note, SCIENCE has claimed that it is human nature to be SPIRITUAL. maybe your the anamoly (<--unsure of spelling)

talk about a cheap shot, and did i ever said "immigrants'? or non-intelligent? you dont know them or how i was raised. They been living for a long time on this earth, and you think i look down upon them? just becusae i disgree with their paranormal beliefs?

i'm not denouncing them in their every exsistence, they know a lot of stuff, i would never know about. they are knowledge people, in how they go throught there everyday lives. Please dont take shit out of porportion.

damn, and another thing, you wnat to konw what ignorant is?
i'll break it down for you to know

QUOTE=TROLL]
I always assumed that those who can't fathom the existence of anything beyond the obvious as being the ones who are un-intelligent....or perhaps ignorant is a better word as ignorance is treatable when your stuck with your overall intelligence.
[/QUOTE]

those who cant fathom the existence of anything beyond?
lol, ok say i believe in wacky stuff like that, yet i cant prove it. Now who's the unintelligent one?

you're not being critical.

oh and a side note, SCIENCE has claimed that it is human nature to be SPIRITUAL.

noticed the word claim? you already denounced science, but you know little about it. science is the only true understading of our universe.

Nothing else has the rigor testing of science, and nothing else can be abosute. thats all i'm saying, astrology breaks down after the test of science and the hundreds of other paranormal shit you based your whole life in.

i am not saying science has all the answers now, but every day we as humans are learning.

whats ridiculous is to actually state that your elders beliefs are a direct cause of what they werent taught by a goverment funded series of standardized tests.

and what is wrong with an educated being goverment funded? isnt that how the whole populaiton gets at the same educated level? if its a goverment of the people, what is the problem with that?

but if its a dicatorship type education, like those you are defending where if someone tries to test them, they right away get denounced. That aint now way a person should be educated. It should be an open/critical democractic institution that should have the right to set the bar on how people should get educated. AND NONE OF THESE PARANORMAL BELIEVING WACKOS ARE LETTING THIS HAPPEN PERIOD


i'm out this thread if you want to talk more i suggest you guys seek an education at a higher level, and bring all this to the forefront of society. a lot of religions have done this, lets see how you guys come through ...

 

[TROLL]

Its not that people cant "fathom the existence of anything beyond the obvious", it’s that we choose not to believe in things without facts or at least supporting evidence. IMO, it is irrational to believe in things without some kind of proof or consistent data that can be subjected to tests and experiments.

I totally understand your point and thought the same way. But how would go about testing something such as the existence of a soul, or energies released by one's will? You cant. Not yet anyway. How much effort do you actually think the science community is putting into finding methods of testing something like that? very little.

Throughout human history, not one single shred of empirical evidence has ever been presented that supports the existence of any sort of supernatural being, place, or event - God included.
The only kind of evidence that is valid is evidence that is empirically gathered. This requires using the scientific method to gather this evidence. Here is a brief introduction to the scientific method in case you’re unfamiliar.

Until there is supporting evidence for the supernatural, IMO it is irrational to believe in it.

again, until we devise ways of testing such things the scientific method wont be what makes something REAL or not. Too each his own folx. Im jus not the type to be expecting someone else to prove to me the existence of something that is supposed to be felt.

Link please. The scientific community has seen no evidence supporting the idea of a spirit or a soul so I seriously doubt your claim. Until you can at least provide a link or a source, your statement means nothing. To the best of my knowledge, the only research that has been conducted (recently) that may be related to your statement was that of a small number of scientists who believe they located the place in the brain which is responsible for the belief in a god or “spiritual” experiences.

Yes you are talking exactly about what i was refering too but i didnt read it online i heard it through the radio.if u happen to know the link if there is one can u post it up?

BTW,

You're as in You Are. Nefar doesn’t own the anomaly.

how do you know?? lol. i was typing in a hurry to get to work and ive admitted my punctuality and grammer falter when i type at work or in a rush. i work graveyard and get groggy.

 

[TROLL]

talk about a cheap shot, and did i ever said "immigrants'? or non-intelligent? you dont know them or how i was raised. They been living for a long time on this earth, and you think i look down upon them? just becusae i disgree with their paranormal beliefs?

i'm not denouncing them in their every exsistence, they know a lot of stuff, i would never know about. they are knowledge people, in how they go throught there everyday lives. Please dont take shit out of porportion.

I apologize if my response came off as a cheap shot because it wasnt meant too. Its jus the way it was typed didnt seem to put them in a good light.

damn, and another thing, you wnat to konw what ignorant is?
i'll break it down for you to know

I always assumed that those who can't fathom the existence of anything beyond the obvious as being the ones who are un-intelligent....or perhaps ignorant is a better word as ignorance is treatable when your stuck with your overall intelligence.

those who cant fathom the existence of anything beyond?
lol, ok say i believe in wacky stuff like that, yet i cant prove it. Now who's the unintelligent one?

a few lines down you say "i am not saying science has all the answers now, but every day we as humans are learning."

I agree. But would someone be un-intelligent to believe that science has yet to uncover something they feel is real. If its real enough for them, then no method of fact finding will prove them otherwise, as will no gobelty gook change the mind of one who bases their belief on only what has been proven thus far..

noticed the word claim? you already denounced science, but you know little about it. science is the only true understading of our universe

I never said i denounced science. My arguement is science has yet to uncover many many things.

Nothing else has the rigor testing of science, and nothing else can be abosute. thats all i'm saying, astrology breaks down after the test of science and the hundreds of other paranormal shit you based your whole life in.

its hard for science to test something that his held within oneself.

and what is wrong with an educated being goverment funded? isnt that how the whole populaiton gets at the same educated level? if its a goverment of the people, what is the problem with that?

Im not saying theres a problem with something being government funded. THIS government has something called the seperation of church and state so of course there isnt going to be homework focusing on religion unless its specific for that class.

but if its a dicatorship type education, like those you are defending where if someone tries to test them, they right away get denounced. That aint now way a person should be educated. It should be an open/critical democractic institution that should have the right to set the bar on how people should get educated. AND NONE OF THESE PARANORMAL BELIEVING WACKOS ARE LETTING THIS HAPPEN PERIOD

Like im defending?? IN FACT my beliefs are that one shouldnt be forced to learn something they have no desire too. so no, i dont support a dictatorship. u said yourself "It should be an open/critical democractic institution that should have the right to set the bar on how people should get educated" well if u agree someone should set the bar, does that mean YOU support a dictatorship?? I would like to know how paranormal believeing wackos are stopping a school board from imposing there standards of education..

i'm out this thread if you want to talk more i suggest you guys seek an education at a higher level, and bring all this to the forefront of society. a lot of religions have done this, lets see how you guys come through ...

Well i wanna say that its been nice holding a decent intellectual debate without someone saying "fuck you" or "your gay." Id still like to know what you meant by "lets see how you guys come through.." are u speaking about those who walk the left hand path?

 

[2-0-Sixx]

I totally understand your point and thought the same way. But how would go about testing something such as the existence of a soul, or energies released by one's will? You cant.

That's my point. If we cant test and conduct experiments on something, or in other words, verify that it is real, why believe in it? What evidence do you have that suggests a soul, spirit, supernatural, god, etc. exist? That's what it boils down to - where is the evidence? What has led you to these beliefs and are they rational/logical beliefs?

A quick and silly example that comes to mind is that if I tell you that an invisible cloud hovers above my house and is responsible for our existence, there would be no way you can test or verify its existence or its nonexistence. However, using logic you could determine that I’m probably full of shit and there is no reason to believe in my claims, since I cannot offer any solid proof or supporting evidence to back my wild claims up.

Not yet anyway. How much effort do you actually think the science community is putting into finding methods of testing something like that? very little.

I doubt that. The science community as a whole does not make decisions based upon their beliefs or lack of beliefs. The evidence they find speaks for itself. Besides, many scientists are theists and many believe in souls. The discovery of a soul or supernatural phenomenon would be groundbreaking and exhilarating to any scientist, atheist or not.

again, until we devise ways of testing such things the scientific method wont be what makes something REAL or not. Too each his own folx. Im jus not the type to be expecting someone else to prove to me the existence of something that is supposed to be felt.

Until someone can at least gather the slightest amount of evidence supporting these claims, they will not be taken seriously.

Yes you are talking exactly about what i was refering too but i didnt read it online i heard it through the radio.if u happen to know the link if there is one can u post it up?

Yeah, no doubt. Google search "God Module". I believe the original article came out in 1997 by researchers at UC-San Diego. here is one link.

"These studies do not in any way negate the validity of religious experience or God," the team said. "They merely provide an explanation in terms of brain regions that may be involved."

Until recently, most neuroscientists confined their inquiries to research aimed at alleviating the medical problems that affect the brain's health and to attempts to fathom its fundamental neural mechanisms. Emboldened by their growing understanding of how the brain works, however, scientists now dare to investigate the relationship between the brain, human consciousness and a range of intangible mental experiences.​

how do you know?? lol. i was typing in a hurry to get to work and ive admitted my punctuality and grammer falter when i type at work or in a rush. i work graveyard and get groggy.

It's just a little pet peeve I have, my apology for being rude.

 

[TROLL]

That's my point. If we cant test and conduct experiments on something, or in other words, verify that it is real, why believe in it? What evidence do you have that suggests a soul, spirit, supernatural, god, etc. exist? That's what it boils down to - where is the evidence? What has led you to these beliefs and are they rational/logical beliefs?

Your point is valid and bears logic of common sense, however, let me ask you this.. do u believe that out there in this universe there is life out there? Even most athiests i kno would say, yes. They do believe life is out there. But do they have evidence to support that? No. You can say "its only rational to understand the vastness of the universe and the number of other planets out there." But wouldnt you say that to NOT believe in something you personally feel you have.....the majority of people feel they have and the peoples before us felt they had....is to turn the cheek of your own perception?

A quick and silly example that comes to mind is that if I tell you that an invisible cloud hovers above my house and is responsible for our existence, there would be no way you can test or verify its existence or its nonexistence. However, using logic you could determine that I’m probably full of shit and there is no reason to believe in my claims, since I cannot offer any solid proof or supporting evidence to back my wild claims up.

well im not the type to totally discredit somebodies claim but im not going to automatically believe the first thing an individual will state. But lets say i told u i prayed everyday to a statue and it seemed that it would make my day better. Nobody was with me for the entire day step by step to witness the little diffrences it makes. Should i stop praying to my statue because someone else doesnt believe its doing me any good?

I doubt that. The science community as a whole does not make decisions based upon their beliefs or lack of beliefs. The evidence they find speaks for itself. Besides, many scientists are theists and many believe in souls. The discovery of a soul or supernatural phenomenon would be groundbreaking and exhilarating to any scientist, atheist or not.

ok, your right. that was more of my opinion then statement. im going to stick my head under this rock.

Move along people, nothing to see here.

Until someone can at least gather the slightest amount of evidence supporting these claims, they will not be taken seriously.

I agree.

Yeah, no doubt. Google search "God Module". I believe the original article came out in 1997 by researchers at UC-San Diego. here is one link.

"These studies do not in any way negate the validity of religious experience or God," the team said. "They merely provide an explanation in terms of brain regions that may be involved."

Until recently, most neuroscientists confined their inquiries to research aimed at alleviating the medical problems that affect the brain's health and to attempts to fathom its fundamental neural mechanisms. Emboldened by their growing understanding of how the brain works, however, scientists now dare to investigate the relationship between the brain, human consciousness and a range of intangible mental experiences.​

Thanks homie. I only caught the jist of the radio show talking about this.

It's just a little pet peeve I have, my apology for being rude.

Dont trip man, i wasnt offended or anything. I find myself doing the same thing sometimes :knockout: