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Heres the words.....very deep.

Every Sunday waking up, catchin gossip at its worst, Couldnt see the difference in the Baptist and the Catholic church. Caught up in the rapture of the first chapter and second verse, And we all God’s children then what’s the word of the reverend worth? Taught early that faith is blind like justice when you facin time, And we all made in God’s image, then that means his face is mine. Wait, or is that blasphemy? It’s logical, it has to be. If I don’t look like my father then the way I live is bastardly. Naturally, that’s confusion to a youngin tryna follow Christ. Taught that if you don’t know Jesus then you lead a hollow life. Never question the fact that Jesus was a Jew and not a Christian, Or that Christianity was made law by politicians. And who is King James? And why did he think that it was so vital to remove verses and make his own version of the bible? They say hell is in the ground, heaven is in the sky, They say that's where you go when you die, But how they know? I've been to many churches, I've quoted many verses, I dealt with my base self, I control my many urges. I used to study my lessons, that was a blessing not a curse. I found out that heaven and hell exist right here on earth, Word. Studied with Rastafarians, found out from the dreads that hell Is called Babylon and that's where the boarheads dwell. They got us thinkin that Muslims like to make bombs, But real Muslims believe in paradaise and resist the Shaitan. So it all sounds the same to me, But when they say one's right and the other's wrong it just sounds like game to me. It's like God skipped the church and came to me. No that ain't vain to me. It's just a particular way I came to see The difference between those that claim to be Religious, and those that say they spiritual And recognize that life is full of miracles. You can see the flow with the vine, I glow when I rhyme. Cuz I coincide with the growin tide Of those lookin for God and know to go inside. Lookin for absolution. Livin in mass confusion. They gasin dudes in psychopath created a last illusion Based on his interpretation of what the words is sayin, Lookin for God but ended up doin the work of Satan, Religion creates division make the Muslim hate the Christian Make the Christian hate the Jew, Make rules of faith that you condition to and God'll follow. God forbid you go to hell, But if you've ever been to any Ghetto then you know well...
 
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I think what hes saying is don't let the politicians tell u whats right or wrong. Its fact that Christianity was pushed on slaves to prevent them from rebelling from the plantation owners and to also have them believe that a better day is forward and to not fight back.

I'm not an atheist, i Believe in a higher being but at the same time, I take a lil something from different religions and incorporate it. Its more personal than having rules on what to believe.....
 

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I think what hes saying is don't let the politicians tell u whats right or wrong. Its fact that Christianity was pushed on slaves to prevent them from rebelling from the plantation owners and to also have them believe that a better day is forward and to not fight back
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And I'm sure they were also given tons of liquor just like the natives, but do you see people going ape shit and no longer drinking because it was used to control people? Hell nah. What I'm getting at is ANYTHING can be used to control people. As long as people are more acepting of vices than virtues there will always be a problem.

Now if real muslims believe in what he said they do, why spend 9 minutes talking about what false christians do?
 
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taetae said:
How does it contradict?
I interpreted your statement to mean that science understands that there are things that it does not understand and those things that science accepts as truth are always open to negotiation. In contrast to that, by saying that science "will" prove the existence of divinities, you are assuming that divinities do exist, and since this proof "will" occur, then it is a reality, and therefore non-negotiable. Hence, the contradiction to what you praised.

In summary, science is negotiable; your belief ("Some day, science will evolve to the point where it will prove the existence of divinity") is non-negotiable.

And would you be so bold as to explain what your beliefs are concerning this matter?
On what matter specifically?
 
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I guess thats the LABEL to define it.

I read the bible, and just starting to read the Qur'an. I have also read up on of Rastafarian beliefs. I like learning . Now I'm not saying I'm right or anything, please don't take it in that context, I just like to see things with an open mind. You have some very good points. There are radical Muslims just like there are radical Christians. All Religions got the their share of negativity.
 
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e.g. what if, over the next few years, great advances in paleontology took place, enabling us to find a direct, sequential series of fossils showing a direct pathway between humans and apes? or if we discovered a new species of humanoid in a remote jungle, with the intelligence of a child and the combined physiology of humans and apes. Would you believe in evolution? Would this belief in evolution remove the reason why you believed in God in the first place?

On another note, what if cosmologists and physicists developed a simple mathematical formula that explains our universe - the elusive Theory of Everything, or 'TOE'. This amazing new theory explains everything that we observe in the universe, including planetary motion and gravity, the weak and strong nuclear forces and electromagnetic force, quantum mechanics, black holes and points of singularity, like the one which supposedly gave birth to our universe in the big bang. Would this cause you to stop believing in God?

Could your faith be shaken, or is it too strong? What would it take?
I do believe these things will happen in the future. Will it be in my lifetime? maybe not, but I do see science advancing so much, we will get more and more people start questioning their faith. Yes their faith, because most of them believe what they believe because they read it out of a "holy" book....somewhere.

I understand some people feel they talk to God, or some feel they see God, or even had some out of body experience......but as far as Christianity is concerned.....

If God doesnt come by 2050....they need to throw that whole religion out of the window..

because scaring everyone....every time talk of war, or midddle east conflict comes up...is complete bullshit.

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REDstorm,

It's only a contradiction if you have concrete definitions of the word divinity and God (which we don't). Divinity is God-like, and one definition of God is "ultimate truth". Some scientists are working toward the ultimate truth, uncovering and exposing truth in all it's forms, and science will eventually discover the ultimate truth, unless humanity destroys itself before then, which is likely.
 

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taetae said:
REDstorm,

It's only a contradiction if you have concrete definitions of the word divinity and God (which we don't). Divinity is God-like, and one definition of God is "ultimate truth". Some scientists are working toward the ultimate truth, uncovering and exposing truth in all it's forms, and science will eventually discover the ultimate truth, unless humanity destroys itself before then, which is likely.
Well, if we don't have concrete definitions of God, what the hell are we believing in???????????

How can you define God as "the ultimate truth" and keep believing he is watching your actions and will give you reward or punishment for them...

This doesn't make sense at alll
 
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taetae said:
REDstorm,

It's only a contradiction if you have concrete definitions of the word divinity and God (which we don't). Divinity is God-like, and one definition of God is "ultimate truth". Some scientists are working toward the ultimate truth, uncovering and exposing truth in all it's forms, and science will eventually discover the ultimate truth, unless humanity destroys itself before then, which is likely.
Again, you're assuming. What is "the" ultimate truth? How do you know science will find this out, and how do you know science is even capable of finding this out?

And why are you using a term that has no concrete definition? If you can't define what you're talking about, what are you talking about?
 
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How do you know science will find this out, and how do you know science is even capable of finding this out?
My interpretation of God exists outside the current scope of science and logic. Maybe science is indeed not capable of "finding this out." My original point was that the ultimate goal of science and of religion are the same: a search for truth.

Not trying to get sand in the clambake by implying that science would ever come to an understanding of "God", which is a term that can be interpreted in a multitude of ways.

What do you worship?
 
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taetae said:
My interpretation of God exists outside the current scope of science and logic. Maybe science is indeed not capable of "finding this out." My original point was that the ultimate goal of science and of religion are the same: a search for truth.

Not trying to get sand in the clambake by implying that science would ever come to an understanding of "God", which is a term that can be interpreted in a multitude of ways.
Well, you said that one day science will prove the existence of divinities, and to do so, one would need an understanding of what God (a divinity) is. So my question is, what did you mean by "Some day, science will evolve to the point where it will prove the existence of divinity"?

What do you worship?
I do not worship anything.
 
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The bible says God made the stars, but now we know those are a combination of Gases.
This is like saying:

"We used to think the letters in books were black, but now we know that we are seeing the light reflect off of the white pages."

In other words, your statement presumes that God could not have made the stars since they are made out of a combination of gases. What the hell would the stars need to be made out of if God made them?
<sarcasm> oh no, these stars are made out of gas combos. they can't be made by God!! Everyone knows God only makes stars out of dipply kra-flog </sarcasm>

:rolleyes:
 
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JLMACN said:
How will you keep your faith?

Im not intending this to offend anyone, just a question.

I have been noticing alot lately that many people are starting to question their own beliefs because of the eveidence science brings to the table.

If any of you speak to God on a regular basis, what does he say about science?

serious question, because I know some of you claim you speak to God.

5000
The evidence is small and the interpretation of it is suspect. Conditioned souls have four basic defects: Imperfect Senses, The propensity for cheating, Certainty of committing mistakes, and certainty of being illusioned.
 

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n9newunsixx5150 said:
The evidence is small and the interpretation of it is suspect. Conditioned souls have four basic defects: Imperfect Senses, The propensity for cheating, Certainty of committing mistakes, and certainty of being illusioned.
you just posted a perfect descritpion of a religious person :)