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[JLMACN]

How will you keep your faith?

Im not intending this to offend anyone, just a question.

I have been noticing alot lately that many people are starting to question their own beliefs because of the eveidence science brings to the table.

If any of you speak to God on a regular basis, what does he say about science?

serious question, because I know some of you claim you speak to God.

5000

 

[2-0-Sixx]

I'm not sure that scientific advances really challenges a believers faith. It was said with the discovery of DNA that the Evolution debate would finally be put to rest but you can see that even with scientific proof the debate still continues. People will believe in what they want to believe.

Also, religion is fed to the people by the ruling elite and is used to tell the poor and exploited that salvation lies in the next world, rather than this one. It is a tool that is used to control the masses. At the same time, as Marx said, religion plays the role of an opiate - that is to say it provides comfort and gives people hope for a better world. Religion is the “sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, just as it is the spirit of spiritless conditions.” - Marx

We must understand that religion is a product of society and until society itself changes, religion will always exist despite scientific advances.

As we come to understand the natural world through the use of scientific explanation, and the more scientific advances we discover, the concept of God has tended to become more abstract, more removed from day to day events. But religion will always occupy other realms- more of a philosophical role and used to explain feelings and why certain events occur, etc.

 

[JLMACN]

^^^well I must say, I didnt think you would be the first to reply to this....haha

Well I was just thinking to myself beforeI typed this, how people viewed the rainbow as a sign from God (back in the day) and now there is a science has given us a reason to KNOW what it is.

The bible says God made the stars, but now we know those are a combination of Gases.

I guess, Im just saying its a matter of time before we really find out where other things came from, mainly us right?

There is a quote I read from a early scientist that says something along these lines:

I believe the earth is round, but the church (catholic at the time) says its flat. I can see the shadow of the moon on the earth and I’ll believe a shadow before I believe the church. - I will get their name for us.

Imagine what that world was like when it was completely ran by the church (catholic). and yes we can sit here and talk about how corrupt the catholic church was/is, but i want to touch more on the basis of people just believing things because another person says "God" says so.

you know what im getting at here?

 

[2-0-Sixx]

Yes, I see what you're getting at.

There isn't much left that religion still claims - that is to say, there aren't too many things that hasn't been scientifically explained. But, my point is that even if science can prove something, it doesn't mean a religious person will accept it. Noah's Arch has been scientifically disproved - it's logically impossible - it cannot happen, yet people still believe it. The story of Adam & Even has been scientifically disproved, yet people still believe it. Science has proven the earth is older that 5,000 years of age, yet people still believe it.

 

[MEXCOM]

You are under the impression that religion and science cannot coexist when in reality many religions actually promote the persuit of the truth.

 

[JLMACN]

^^^for sure...

I watched a video where they scientifically disproved Noah, stating if he built that ark it would have never moved because it was wayyyyyyyyyyyyy to heavy and would have just stayed put.

But then we get believers that say "with god anything is possible"....

so yea I get your point too.

good one.

5000

 

[MEXCOM]

^^^for sure...

I watched a video where they scientifically disproved Noah, stating if he built that ark it would have never moved because it was wayyyyyyyyyyyyy to heavy and would have just stayed put.

But then we get believers that say "with god anything is possible"....

so yea I get your point too.

good one.

5000

Is that sarcasm?

Ever heard of falsifiability? Of course you haven't. But it would be grand if you could play along like you have. Now let's take that into account when we move into the validity of something we can actually validify. Now if "science" were infact a perfect science then we would all still believe in Phrenology. Or you can claim that the ark could not move. But this is up for debate because I'm sure science has also proven the opposite.

 

[JLMACN]

Mexcom calm down i must have submitted the same time you did because i was replying to 2-0...

so it would be grand if you could assume i wasnt talking to you, so No that wasnt sarcasm, just to answer your question

5000

 

[Danger Manye]

God tells me that not to worry about science because it is a worldly thing, he is more involved in me. His focus is on me and people, so i think that what he wants me to think about. He also talks about a New Heaven and a New Earth that will be of rightouness and he says not to worry about making this world right.

 

[JLMACN]

so God is a man?

 

[Danger Manye]

I just want to add i don't knock science because it is a shared knowledge. i have compassion for anyone trying to make the world better.

and yes God was a man and he is also a spirit too. my belief

 

[JLMACN]

where does your belief stem from?

 

[|GOD|||ZILLA|]

God tells me that not to worry about science because it is a worldly thing, he is more involved in me. His focus is on me and people, so i think that what he wants me to think about. He also talks about a New Heaven and a New Earth that will be of rightouness and he says not to worry about making this world right.

wow.. your fucken crazy.

 

[MEXCOM]

Mexcom calm down i must have submitted the same time you did because i was replying to 2-0...

so it would be grand if you could assume i wasnt talking to you, so No that wasnt sarcasm, just to answer your question

5000

and your reply now makes sense!

now i feel like an asshole. i apologize man. i lost my head.

 

[JLMACN]

haha... your mexican brotha..

ABN!!!!!!!!

5000

 

[Danger Manye]

wow.. your fucken crazy.

i just don't like how people say science is going to save the world. If someone tells me this will help and have a good cause to say so i will believe in it and might even read up. but when people tell me that life existince is based on science i do not want to take forth with the people, because i think if you try and take control of nature she will bite you back.

 

[Danger Manye]

where does your belief stem from?

the Holy Bible.

 

[ThaG]

I'm not sure that scientific advances really challenges a believers faith. It was said with the discovery of DNA that the Evolution debate would finally be put to rest but you can see that even with scientific proof the debate still continues. People will believe in what they want to believe.

Also, religion is fed to the people by the ruling elite and is used to tell the poor and exploited that salvation lies in the next world, rather than this one. It is a tool that is used to control the masses. At the same time, as Marx said, religion plays the role of an opiate - that is to say it provides comfort and gives people hope for a better world. Religion is the “sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, just as it is the spirit of spiritless conditions.” - Marx

We must understand that religion is a product of society and until society itself changes, religion will always exist despite scientific advances.

As we come to understand the natural world through the use of scientific explanation, and the more scientific advances we discover, the concept of God has tended to become more abstract, more removed from day to day events. But religion will always occupy other realms- more of a philosophical role and used to explain feelings and why certain events occur, etc.

I agree 100%

I can add that a fundamental requirement in most religions is to never question your belief no matter what you see, so religious people will take everything you present them as test of their faith...

Anyway, I think I've posted this before, but it applies here too:

Hitsorically religion has been used to explain the world around us, which, in the beginning. consisted of man, animals and plants and Earth. So the genesis story explains how Earth, life and man were created

Yes, but 5000 years later we know the universe has trillions of galaxies each of which has trillions of stars and we live on a planet rotating around one of these starts

Moreover, we can explain pretty well how life appeared and how Earth and the Solar ssytem appeared.

What we still can't explain is how the universe appeared and suddenly religious people (except for the most hardcore fanatic fundamentalists who claim their holy books are literally true which has been scientifically disproven) shifted their views and started saying "God created the universe and everything in it"

Now this is really hypocrtical because when God was invented nobody knew there's more about this world than our own planet (which was thought to be flat) and us

How can you still think you're so unique and precious that God will watch what you do and send you to heaven if you follow his book when you live around a tiny star among an unimaginable number of other stars?

That just defies any logic, but that's what religion is about, right?

 

[GTS]

I agree 100%

I can add that a fundamental requirement in most religions is to never question your belief no matter what you see, so religious people will take everything you present them as test of their faith...

Anyway, I think I've posted this before, but it applies here too:

Hitsorically religion has been used to explain the world around us, which, in the beginning. consisted of man, animals and plants and Earth. So the genesis story explains how Earth, life and man were created

Yes, but 5000 years later we know the universe has trillions of galaxies each of which has trillions of stars and we live on a planet rotating around one of these starts

Moreover, we can explain pretty well how life appeared and how Earth and the Solar ssytem appeared.

What we still can't explain is how the universe appeared and suddenly religious people (except for the most hardcore fanatic fundamentalists who claim their holy books are literally true which has been scientifically disproven) shifted their views and started saying "God created the universe and everything in it"

Now this is really hypocrtical because when God was invented nobody knew there's more about this world than our own planet (which was thought to be flat) and us

How can you still think you're so unique and precious that God will watch what you do and send you to heaven if you follow his book when you live around a tiny star among an unimaginable number of other stars?

That just defies any logic, but that's what religion is about, right?

You came from a single cell bacteria that came from a bang?

 

[2-0-NINE]

LMAO!!!! WOW!!!!

Edit: Personally, I'm a person who walks in faith and believes that I don't need science to prove biblical claims. Although at the same time, I can be ignorant and say nah forget science. IMO speaking from a zealous perspective, God doesn't need science to prove anything we as his followers believe to make it true. But it doesn't hurt to understand the truth or to back up claims. Like a good ol co-worker of mine said, GOD DON'T LIE.