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FATAL NYGHTMARE said:
Why don't you gather up your fellow raider fans, go to the Black assHole, find a fan of the other team and beat him up as if it were gonna help your team win the game. Let the ignorance reign supreme!!

YOU CALL US IGNORANT, BUT YOU REDUCE YOURSELF TO SAYING THINGS LIKE "BLACK ASSHOLE." YOUR AN AMMUSING CHARACTER, INDEED. AS IF RAIDER FANS WERE THE ONLY FANS WHO BEAT PEOPLE UP OVER FOOTBALL. THAT HAPPENS WITH DRUNK IDIOTS AT STADIUMS ALL OVER THE LEAGUE, IN ALL SPORTS. YOUR ABOUT 7 YEARS TOO LATE WITH THAT ONE. NICE TRY THOUGH.
 

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FATAL NYGHTMARE said:
Why don't you gather up your fellow raider fans, go to the Black assHole, find a fan of the other team and beat him up as if it were gonna help your team win the game. Let the ignorance reign supreme!!

lmao.......damn
 
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Solitary 1 said:
YOU CALL US IGNORANT, BUT YOU REDUCE YOURSELF TO SAYING THINGS LIKE "BLACK ASSHOLE."
Are you serious? Do you know what the meaning of the word ignorant is? It doesn't apply when someone is clearly joking, and even then calling the Black Hole the Black assHole wouldn't be considered ignorant anyway. Go back to school, seriously, that's not in any way meant to make you look bad.. You really do need to work on comprehension.

And yes people get beat up over teams all over the place, but no team is notorious for it.. Except the raiders.

I would say "nice try" right back at you, but I'd be lying to you.
 
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Solitary 1 said:
HAVE YOU EVER BEEN TO A RAIDER GAME IN OAKLAND?
Sadly, yes. My family is mostly raider fans.. Nothing like yourself, thankfully, but raider fans nonetheless. I will give you guys one thing.. you know how to have a good time..

Take Halloween for instance.. At the Oakland Coliseum, they celebrate Halloween 8 times every year. Every week the fans show up in their costumes with facepaint and pretend to be pirates. Meanwhile, the raiders show up in their uniforms and their pads & helmets and pretend to be a real NFL team.. It's great.
 
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Jabbz said:
why are you even arguing? dude is right, raiders have more talent than the niners of last year. you niggs need to sit back and read your posts out loud. you sound like a bunch of morons.

the raiders have more talent. when you ask why they will finish with a worse record you should be asking yourself that very question. raiders take good players and never do shit with them. it's your faggot ass organization. there's the answer.
So AGAIN I ask...if the organization is so poor how is Walter in a "much better situation" then Smith...I still havnt got a legit answer...more talent doesn't always mean a better situation..
You fuckin idiots are callin me ignorant..yet your too stupid to see past your own hypocricy
 

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Fatal... since you keep bringing up Madden let's play online if you got the hookup..... I'll smash your ass! You keep talking all this shit like you know football so well... or we could just play some football in real life without pads. And the same for you Chree with your scary ass. We were supposed to been have played. You Niner fans will get smashed. I'll whoop every single one of you trick ass Niner fans with the Raiders all damn day.
 
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3VID3NC3 said:
So AGAIN I ask...if the organization is so poor how is Walter in a "much better situation" then Smith...I still havnt got a legit answer...more talent doesn't always mean a better situation..
You fuckin idiots are callin me ignorant..yet your too stupid to see past your own hypocricy
Are you fuckin serious? More talent doesn't always mean a better situation? The Niner organization was FUCKED up too.. Go back and try to READ my post.. You actually think you're making progress in this debate, but you're only digging yourself deeper.

Here's a few reasons for you..

1. This NOT Andrew Walter's rookie season (he's had a year to practice with NFL players before getting placed into a game). Smith was tossed in there without much time to prepare. Smith was also much younger than Walter in his first start, and whether you want to believe it or not, it makes a huge difference.

2. Smith had nobody to throw to. Moss alone is better than Brandon Lloyd and Arnaz Battle combined, even with his half-ass play and his dropped passes.

3. Nolan was a rookie coach last year, coming off a career as a defensive coordinator.. He focused on defense, not offense.

4. Smith's O-line was worse than Walter's. I know the raider line licks nuts as well, but the Niners were wose last year.

5. Mike McCarthy is worse than Tom Walsh as an OC. The play calling was horrendous and they were never prepared, for anything.

6. They had Barlow as their feature back.. Nobody was scared of that clown and defenses were able to prepare for the pass and not have to worry about the run as much. LaMont Jordan isn't a good RB, but people act like he is and they prepare for him. Not to mention Fargas as a change-of-pace back.. That relieves some pressure from Walter. More so than Barlow did for Smith.

Do you need more?

On the real, the two shouldn't be compared. That's all I'm saying. And if you did compare them it should be by this season's performance, not last year's Alex Smith and this year's Andrew Walter. They're both in their second year. But I can see the excuse already.. 'Smith has more experience.' Well if you consider getting knocked on your ass for 7 games to be experience, then I guess you're right. So in that case this season shouldn't be compared either.
 
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Tony said:
Fatal... since you keep bringing up Madden let's play online if you got the hookup..... I'll smash your ass! You keep talking all this shit like you know football so well... or we could just play some football in real life without pads. And the same for you Chree with your scary ass. We were supposed to been have played. You Niner fans will get smashed. I'll whoop every single one of you trick ass Niner fans with the Raiders all damn day.
Wow.. You're a huge fuckin square..

Who cares who's better at Madden? It's a video game! That's the reason we make fun of you for it in the first place! You use it to help you form your opinion on football. That's just sad. Like when you said Ahmed Plummer was garbage because you torched him on Madden. LMAO.

But I'm always down for a good game of pigskin. However, I will not travel to play a game with you. If you wanna come down here to play we can do that.
 
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FATAL NYGHTMARE said:
Sadly, yes. My family is mostly raider fans.. Nothing like yourself, thankfully, but raider fans nonetheless. I will give you guys one thing.. you know how to have a good time..

Take Halloween for instance.. At the Oakland Coliseum, they celebrate Halloween 8 times every year. Every week the fans show up in their costumes with facepaint and pretend to be pirates. Meanwhile, the raiders show up in their uniforms and their pads & helmets and pretend to be a real NFL team.. It's great.

IF YOU REALY HAVE BEEN TO A RAIDER GAME, THAN YOU WOULD KNOW THAT THE FANS GET A BAD RAP. MOST RAIDER FANS ARE GOOD PEOPLE AND GOOD SPORTS.

IF YOU WANNA TALK ABOUT FANS GETTING ALL COSTUMED UP LIKE PIRATES AND WHATNOT-LOOK TO THE REST OF THE LEAGUES FANS. ALOT OF TEAM'S DIE-HARD FANS DO THAT NOW. WE SET THE TREND.

AND NINER GAMES ARE THE MOST BORING BLAND SHITS EVER.
 
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Solitary 1 said:
IF YOU REALY HAVE BEEN TO A RAIDER GAME, THAN YOU WOULD KNOW THAT THE FANS GET A BAD RAP. MOST RAIDER FANS ARE GOOD PEOPLE AND GOOD SPORTS.
Yes, but a LOT of them are ignorant jackasses. Every time I've gone I've witnessed several acts of idiocy. I've never been to a sporting event full of so many assholes and pricks..

I've been to more raider games than I have Niner games, because like I said my fam is full of raider fans and I never pass on a free game. I've seen more than enough to form my opinion on your crowd.


Solitary 1 said:
IF YOU WANNA TALK ABOUT FANS GETTING ALL COSTUMED UP LIKE PIRATES AND WHATNOT-LOOK TO THE REST OF THE LEAGUES FANS. ALOT OF TEAM'S DIE-HARD FANS DO THAT NOW. WE SET THE TREND.
Die-hard fans of every team have been doing it forever, the raiders just overdo it and look ridiculous.

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AND NINER GAMES ARE THE MOST BORING BLAND SHITS EVER.
I guess we should start jumping fans of the opposing teams and drink more than we can handle and start acting like ignorant fucks to get our games up to your standards.
 

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FATAL NYGHTMARE said:

5. Mike McCarthy is worse than Tom Walsh as an OC. The play calling was horrendous and they were never prepared, for anything.
WTF? So all the blame goes on McCarthy even though Nolan is the head coach? McCarthy shits on Tom Walsh as an offensive coordinator. You don't know that the hell you're talking about with that one. Some of the shit you say I agree with and some shit you say makes no damn sense.

FATAL NYGHTMARE said:


Wow.. You're a huge fuckin square..

Who cares who's better at Madden? It's a video game! That's the reason we make fun of you for it in the first place! You use it to help you form your opinion on football. That's just sad. Like when you said Ahmed Plummer was garbage because you torched him on Madden. LMAO.

But I'm always down for a good game of pigskin. However, I will not travel to play a game with you. If you wanna come down here to play we can do that.
I don't use Madden to form opinions of players. One of you dumb ass niner fans said Plummer was an elite cornerback. I brought up the fact that he got torched by Amani Toomer in a game against the Giants (giving up 3 TD's in the first half) and then I remember he pushed Keyshawn Johnson in the end zone for a winning score. I did say he was garbage on Madden too. I just brought those facts up to prove a point. Elite cornerbacks don't get burned like he did. Elite cornerbacks get good ratings on Madden. Plummer had shitty ratings. Every time I played against the Niners I threw Plummer's way because he was boo-boo.
 
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You make it too hard not to insult you Tony.. So, you're a fuckin moron.

Mike McCarthy is fuckin HORRIBLE. How in the fuck are you gonna try to tell me otherwise when I watched him run our offense into the ground every fuckin game last season? As a Niner fan, I wanted that pussy gone immediately. He is one of the WORST play callers in history and he can't prepare his team for SHIT. Mike Nolan was focused on defense last season, it was McCarthy's job to run the fuckin offense and everyone knew it. The D is what kept the Niners from getting blown out in every single game last season, and it's because Mike Nolan had control of them. Don't bother to speak on what you don't know. I don't care how bad you think Tom Walsh is, he's not worse than McCarthy.

As for the Madden thing.. You explained it all backwards there. First you said Plummer sucked because you burned him on Madden. Then you had to come up with a real reason after everyone jumped on your ass for having such a stupid reason for saying Plummer sucked, so you brought up Amani Toomer burning him.. in a game the Niners eventually won. Nobody said he was an elite CB, we said he was good when he was healthy. That doesn't mean elite, it means he was good.
 

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Fatal, remember, Tony is/was a saints fan, and mccarthy was there before SF, so expect tony to be all on his dick
 
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FATAL NYGHTMARE said:

On the real, the two shouldn't be compared.
I can agree with you on that....I wouldn't compare the two until another 4-5 years when they are fully developed but I wasn't the one comparing them in the first place. Other then that I think we can agree that neither player was/is in a great situation their first year starting.
 
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3VID3NC3 said:
:rolleyes:
Almost like the way you contradict yourself
I've already explained why it's not a contradiction and why Walter is in a better situation, even though your team will probably finish with a worse record than last year's Niners. The Niners defense kept them in the games they won last year, the offense didn't do much because it couldn't.

That's why I have not contradicted myself. Decent try at discrediting me though.