ARTISTS.. How much do you usually spend on an album?

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For me personally if a person were to try to sell me a CD and it sounded (yep I damn sure would ask to listen to it) and it looked like crap. Then there is no way I am droppin chips on it. The problem I see with some artist in the NW is they don't respect the craft or the industry.

Anyone can own a studio these days. And anyone can make a beat. But its only a chosen few who know what to do with the tools to make a living from this. What I am trying to say is if you are planning to release a cd think about it from scratch.

1) Even before your record is pressed think about your market. Who are you going to be selling CD's to? This will be the baisis on how many CD's to press. It doesn't make any sense to press 1000 CD's if you only have a fanbase of 20 homies.

2) Even before your record is pressed drop some loot on some promo stuff, like posters, stickers hell even T-shirts. You can print a shit load of one colored posters (although they may not be the best looking) for under a 100 bucks.

3) For crying out loud if you do a show promote for the show and get some people there. It makes no sense to release a CD and not have a release party and or perform at a show or two.

4) Find a creative way to stand out from the rest of the cats in your area. If your from the Suburbs then get all the trust fund babies to your shows and put them all on your guest list. Remember the bigger the fanbase the bigger the record sells.

Finally and I apologize for my long rant here. If you are an artist who has the drive find people to surround yourself with the likewise drive. Trust me finding a good designer, engineer, or producer is not a hard thing to do you just have to find those people who are about thier craft just as you are about yours.

Just my 2 cents now its back to working in the studio on this nice ass day!
 
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djbuttnaked said:
For me personally if a person were to try to sell me a CD and it sounded (yep I damn sure would ask to listen to it) and it looked like crap. Then there is no way I am droppin chips on it. The problem I see with some artist in the NW is they don't respect the craft or the industry.

Anyone can own a studio these days. And anyone can make a beat. But its only a chosen few who know what to do with the tools to make a living from this. What I am trying to say is if you are planning to release a cd think about it from scratch.

1) Even before your record is pressed think about your market. Who are you going to be selling CD's to? This will be the baisis on how many CD's to press. It doesn't make any sense to press 1000 CD's if you only have a fanbase of 20 homies.

2) Even before your record is pressed drop some loot on some promo stuff, like posters, stickers hell even T-shirts. You can print a shit load of one colored posters (although they may not be the best looking) for under a 100 bucks.

3) For crying out loud if you do a show promote for the show and get some people there. It makes no sense to release a CD and not have a release party and or perform at a show or two.

4) Find a creative way to stand out from the rest of the cats in your area. If your from the Suburbs then get all the trust fund babies to your shows and put them all on your guest list. Remember the bigger the fanbase the bigger the record sells.

Finally and I apologize for my long rant here. If you are an artist who has the drive find people to surround yourself with the likewise drive. Trust me finding a good designer, engineer, or producer is not a hard thing to do you just have to find those people who are about thier craft just as you are about yours.

Just my 2 cents now its back to working in the studio on this nice ass day!
TRUTH
 
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Fridge said:
If you put out a project in your home studio, you'll get those 'hardcore' fans... which are mostly other cats trying to put shit out in their home studio. It works in that limited market. However, 'hardcore' fans aren't that vast and in the end, you need a consumer friendly sound if you want to break through.

Now, if you put the money into your project and get the thing done right, when the 'hardcore' fans hear it, they will either like it or they won't. It doesn't matter. You'll make your own hardcore fans out of the groupie girls that watch you perform... the performances you get when SERIOUS cats who pay SERIOUS money put on shows and hear you have a SERIOUS sound. Not some basement recording over some beats that will likely distort the venue's audio system.

You can put out your 'home studio' sound and dick around with it forever. Pushing the 'street' albums that most people don't give more than one listen to... or you can HUSTLE your ass off and put out a project that is worth pushing for 8-16 months, in the streets. The type of album that IMPRESSES the A&R's when they hear it.

I've seen a shitload of both, in my little time in the northwest Hip-Hop scene. I guess there's just certain levels that people are at, and you have to make those little ass moves, before you can make the big ones.

A home studio setup bonus is that the production flaws will sometimes hide the vocal flaws... it's like one big mess and it's harder for the average person to single in on a flaw.
isnt that the persons fault for buying cheap stuff tho? i have heard good stuff done out of home studios w/ cheap equipment as well as bad stuff as well. The problem most people get into when recording at home is that they are on a tight budget but u can spend some good money on a home studio (and i dont mean just a computer, cool edit, a $60 condensor and a $40 preamp) and call it good. Im sayin spend some real money on it. Treat ur recording room build a booth in there with GOOD material. Buy GOOD equipment. and most importantly hire a GOOD enginner to mix ur music with because most people working out of home studios dont know how to mix and thats their biggest issue in the first place. Most people build home studios for $500 and then wonder why it doesnt sound up to mainstream standards
 

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djbuttnaked said:
For me personally if a person were to try to sell me a CD and it sounded (yep I damn sure would ask to listen to it) and it looked like crap. Then there is no way I am droppin chips on it. The problem I see with some artist in the NW is they don't respect the craft or the industry.

Anyone can own a studio these days. And anyone can make a beat. But its only a chosen few who know what to do with the tools to make a living from this. What I am trying to say is if you are planning to release a cd think about it from scratch.

1) Even before your record is pressed think about your market. Who are you going to be selling CD's to? This will be the baisis on how many CD's to press. It doesn't make any sense to press 1000 CD's if you only have a fanbase of 20 homies.

2) Even before your record is pressed drop some loot on some promo stuff, like posters, stickers hell even T-shirts. You can print a shit load of one colored posters (although they may not be the best looking) for under a 100 bucks.

3) For crying out loud if you do a show promote for the show and get some people there. It makes no sense to release a CD and not have a release party and or perform at a show or two.

4) Find a creative way to stand out from the rest of the cats in your area. If your from the Suburbs then get all the trust fund babies to your shows and put them all on your guest list. Remember the bigger the fanbase the bigger the record sells.

Finally and I apologize for my long rant here. If you are an artist who has the drive find people to surround yourself with the likewise drive. Trust me finding a good designer, engineer, or producer is not a hard thing to do you just have to find those people who are about thier craft just as you are about yours.

Just my 2 cents now its back to working in the studio on this nice ass day!

Yup...
 
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xabiton said:
isnt that the persons fault for buying cheap stuff tho? i have heard good stuff done out of home studios w/ cheap equipment as well as bad stuff as well. The problem most people get into when recording at home is that they are on a tight budget but u can spend some good money on a home studio (and i dont mean just a computer, cool edit, a $60 condensor and a $40 preamp) and call it good. Im sayin spend some real money on it. Treat ur recording room build a booth in there with GOOD material. Buy GOOD equipment. and most importantly hire a GOOD enginner to mix ur music with because most people working out of home studios dont know how to mix and thats their biggest issue in the first place. Most people build home studios for $500 and then wonder why it doesnt sound up to mainstream standards
Smart man...

Reminds me of the difference between paying $50 bucks a month for a gym membership, $20, or working out at home. Of COURSE if you're paying that big money, your chances are going to be better that you get in top shape. But does that mean you CANNOT get in good shape at home? Of course not.

That having been said, I don't know if I'd ever advocate mixing and mastering in a home studio. The main thing I'd say to use it for is the creative process, for writing, for coming up with ideas, and so on. Then once the track is all down and you know EXACTLY how you want it......take it to the Pro Studio, block out a few nights, and knock out the whole project in a couple of sessions.

But, bit-and-piecing, doing a song a week, recording 30 songs, spending thousands of dollars, then picking the top 15-20, then paying for mixing, then taking a couple more songs away, then switching some beats, then adding a few paid features, etc etc......it's all retarded to me.

History has shown us (Syko and many others), that the most CLASSIC albums are recorded in under a month or so, by rappers that get in the ZONE and just DO IT........not in 6 months and 11 months and 2 years and more by part-time rappers that are more worried about promotion and recouping and distribution than they are putting out a solid product.
 
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As far a home studios, mixing yes. mastering no. People get these confused, if you have some good knowledge on eq and compression you can easily mix your beats. But if you want that professional sound take it to a mastering house.
 
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When it comes to mixing down, if you got a good nicca on them boards...he can have your shit sounding niiiice. I got joints that I did that the premix (so I can listen and rewrite if necessary) sounds better than shit mufuckas be tryna sell at the liquor stores and bus stops.
 
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Dirty Shoez said:
Smart man...

Reminds me of the difference between paying $50 bucks a month for a gym membership, $20, or working out at home. Of COURSE if you're paying that big money, your chances are going to be better that you get in top shape. But does that mean you CANNOT get in good shape at home? Of course not.

That having been said, I don't know if I'd ever advocate mixing and mastering in a home studio. The main thing I'd say to use it for is the creative process, for writing, for coming up with ideas, and so on. Then once the track is all down and you know EXACTLY how you want it......take it to the Pro Studio, block out a few nights, and knock out the whole project in a couple of sessions.

But, bit-and-piecing, doing a song a week, recording 30 songs, spending thousands of dollars, then picking the top 15-20, then paying for mixing, then taking a couple more songs away, then switching some beats, then adding a few paid features, etc etc......it's all retarded to me.

History has shown us (Syko and many others), that the most CLASSIC albums are recorded in under a month or so, by rappers that get in the ZONE and just DO IT........not in 6 months and 11 months and 2 years and more by part-time rappers that are more worried about promotion and recouping and distribution than they are putting out a solid product.
exactly. especially in the northwest I feel alot of people are more worried about money and less about puttin out good music or they over think it. 3 years on album is crazy.
 
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thephantomblue0 said:
As far a home studios, mixing yes. mastering no. People get these confused, if you have some good knowledge on eq and compression you can easily mix your beats. But if you want that professional sound take it to a mastering house.
u dont need to go to a studio to mix beats. i dont really even advocate mixing beats too much simply because most people will want them tracked to get a better mix overall and a lot of people mix beats and leave no room for vocals. Yes it can sound good but it can always sound better
 
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Yeah Xabition you're right. I noticed that sometimes the beats frequencies are so overwhelming at the vocal range because the producer doesn't take into account the actual vocals so they pump it up at 400hz, 4k and 12k because it's better on their ears, but when you try to rap to it, the vocals just sound muffled.
 
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MrSniccrs said:
Dudes spend years on that debut then its trash and outdated...
Yup. Then they turn around and blame Marketing/Promotion, and Management, and Haters, and Lack of Support, and this and that.....everyone but themselves.

People are going to learn. This Good Old Boys system is not working. You can only artificially build artists up so much before their originality has to take over. And if they don't have any, and all they have is this "feel my struggle", "blood sweat and tears" shit......they're fucked.
 
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Dirty Shoez said:
Yup. Then they turn around and blame Marketing/Promotion, and Management, and Haters, and Lack of Support, and this and that.....everyone but themselves.

People are going to learn. This Good Old Boys system is not working. You can only artificially build artists up so much before their originality has to take over. And if they don't have any, and all they have is this "feel my struggle", "blood sweat and tears" shit......they're fucked.

*wipes forehead with a 1 dollar bill...

I guess money talks. It has this AWESOME tendency to iron out any wrinkles. Funny shit. Some of the hottest ANTICIPATED albums get stopped due to bullshit, and niccas is damn near leavin shit-stains in the streets by selling their premature projects, expecting shit to be loved. I see why a lot of mufuckas dont put contact numbers or emails on shit! :smh: Ima call a couple of dudes and tell them to gimmie my money back!