I dunno how Chino XL even got brought up in this.. but anyways.. as far as budgets.. you get what you pay for.. but as far as producers and their fees.. you gotta think what you want more.. being satisfied artistically or financially.. because 90% of the artists in any region with money produce the most garbage and the ones with the most talent have no backing and can't pay that fee. Anybody in the NW who relies solely on selling beats to live besides Jake One or Vitamin D should have another job because muhfuckas out here don't like to pay for shit anyways.
ARTISTS.. How much do you usually spend on an album?
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Like how subtle you were without tryin to offend anyone.
But seriously, writing a song and writing for your "freestyle" is different. Then WRITING for your freestyle and "freestyling" is different. A lot of so-called rappers cant distinquish impromptu and prewritten materials. A lot less punches when you freestyling, b. Real talk.
Any way you want to slice it. Nobody has shown me anything that even comes near the people on the link I posted, written, freestyled, pre-styled or otherwise.
Right now, 4-4-4-4 is the norm and 5-5-5-5 is basically the ceiling. It is the end. Few understand how to rise above it, and it is frustrating. It is rare to hear a 4-5-3-5 or similar. It just doesn't happen. And you can forget about a 4-3-0-5 or some other complex things like that.
It must be understood that there is more to rap than just making words rhyme or having people "feel" you and all this other sappy shit. In this day and age, where the general concensus is that everything has been said already and every topic has been covered, the only things left are DELIVERY and SYLLABLES.
NY is kicking the shit out of us at BOTH, as that link shouled CLEARLY demonstrate. If you click the link and don't get the same impression......we have a SERIOUS FUCKING PROBLEM.
That having been said, if you think you have something that can impress me, or know someone with something, I would love to hear it. Find the dopest freestyle battle verse you can, and I will give it a good breaking-down.
Right now, 4-4-4-4 is the norm and 5-5-5-5 is basically the ceiling. It is the end. Few understand how to rise above it, and it is frustrating. It is rare to hear a 4-5-3-5 or similar. It just doesn't happen. And you can forget about a 4-3-0-5 or some other complex things like that.
It must be understood that there is more to rap than just making words rhyme or having people "feel" you and all this other sappy shit. In this day and age, where the general concensus is that everything has been said already and every topic has been covered, the only things left are DELIVERY and SYLLABLES.
NY is kicking the shit out of us at BOTH, as that link shouled CLEARLY demonstrate. If you click the link and don't get the same impression......we have a SERIOUS FUCKING PROBLEM.
That having been said, if you think you have something that can impress me, or know someone with something, I would love to hear it. Find the dopest freestyle battle verse you can, and I will give it a good breaking-down.
I'm saying I can write on that level, and deliver a devastating pre-style without a beat....Yes.
Am I saying I can freestyle things like that, or that I am a good battle rapper? No.
.....*dies* It's good to see that I'm not alone here.
People really are making a lot of comments from the heart, instead of from the brain. I can sympathize, but will not give the benefit of the doubt.
Am I saying I can freestyle things like that, or that I am a good battle rapper? No.
.....*dies* It's good to see that I'm not alone here.
People really are making a lot of comments from the heart, instead of from the brain. I can sympathize, but will not give the benefit of the doubt.
WOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW murda mook and jae millz over ras kass youve smoked ur self silly
tell those 2 to make an album
then come and holla @ me
same goes for papoose
oh wait they cant
lol at ny kicking our ass at rap right now
whatever thats ur opinion i dont wanna argue about it
just had 2 speak my piece
tell those 2 to make an album
then come and holla @ me
same goes for papoose
oh wait they cant
lol at ny kicking our ass at rap right now
whatever thats ur opinion i dont wanna argue about it
just had 2 speak my piece
You may speak what pieces you would. But every rapper you name from the Bay or the NorthWest, or anywhere in Cali, would get destroyed in Philly or NY in this kind of battle. That is just the truth speaking. Frankly, you arguing that is like arguing Linguistics with Noam Chomsky.
Like the man Sniccrs said, there is a great difference between writing songs, writing battle raps and freestyling. There is also a HUGE difference between battle rapping for 1 minute, or 30 seconds like on 106 and Park.....and battling back and forth for 20 minutes.
Ras Kass cannot hang, and no amount of pride, emotion, religion, love or anything similar can stop that. It's all scientific.
Like the man Sniccrs said, there is a great difference between writing songs, writing battle raps and freestyling. There is also a HUGE difference between battle rapping for 1 minute, or 30 seconds like on 106 and Park.....and battling back and forth for 20 minutes.
Ras Kass cannot hang, and no amount of pride, emotion, religion, love or anything similar can stop that. It's all scientific.
am I the on the right page here?? Jae Millz and Murda Mook freestyling?? you muhfuckas can't be serious.. everything you hear on those SmackDVD's for the most part is WRITTEN. 99% of the East Coast battles you hear/see are 2 rappers seeing who has the better written verse.. I been to Jersey, Philly.. that's what they do.. sometimes (VERY RARELY) the muhfucka that's getting the least crowd respect will break into a freestyle and get even less participation.. (i.e. Fox 5 v.s. L.C. in Philly).. even Serious Jones' verse against Jin on Fight Klub was premeditated.. he knew who he was going up against and had the ammo to finish him. Jin broke into a freestyle and sucked even worse.. I battled East Coast muhfuckas who come out here and all they wanna do is go written for written.. I can't say Ras Kass would chop Millz or Mook because I ain't heard an actual freestyle from him either.. Millz versus Ness on Making the Band, same thing.. half of Millz verse was on a previous mixtape he released.. Ness had some recycled lines too. I dunno what you people consider a freestyle, but to me that's 100% OFF THE HEAD. What you're calling amazing is what the signed rappers call an "industry freestyle".. Russell Simmons don't wanna hear no freestyle.. he wants to hear what u sat down and put some damn effort into, plain and simple.. and cut the crap, punchline for punchline, Chino is murdering all the muhfuckas aforementioned.
DIrty shoes maybe you should go to newyork since you got yah shit down pack. And whats the last east coast album that went platinum except 50. Juelz album is gold so what does that tell you. I love newyork music,downsouth,mid-west,and the west coast. Im not looking at the game like this dude can rap. O he got battles fuck all that shit. Jay-z was all right to me when he spit but every body loved him and called him the best. He sho didnt have no battle skillz but he has some hustle skillz fo yo ass. Now look at him. I aint saying we all can get up there but we sho can try feel me.
Yeah thats the truth. I remember going out East and people out there have a different perception of what "freestyling" is. Out west, it’s predominantly right off your dome, back East it’s mostly pre-written, not necessarily written for that specific occasion, but previously written none the less.
I remember Memphis Bleek said something about that shit in an interview back in the day.
Freestyles dont make a COMPLETE artist, b. And its all being looked at according to some bullshit (for sake of argument, cause Millz is in my Top 5 "under the radar") written battle verses, disses, and "freestyles". Come on, its only a handful of dudes that kill the mixtape shit AND put together nice albums. I can name 10 off top!
Battling, honestly, is mostly put together pre-written. Freestyling with someone in a "cypher" or "porch" session is somethin more respectable. The battle gets the "oohs" and giggles...the freestyles gets you admired.
Battling, honestly, is mostly put together pre-written. Freestyling with someone in a "cypher" or "porch" session is somethin more respectable. The battle gets the "oohs" and giggles...the freestyles gets you admired.
I am an OK freestyler and a horrible battle rapper. But when it comes to pre-writtens, I can match up with the best of them from this region.
If you want to read more into it than that, then thats all on you.
What really matters here, is that the days of relying on Emotion and Feeling and Story-telling, those days are over. Come with the Multi-Syllables (like 151...like Hav Not...like Jay Barz...like UA), or don't come with anything. If all you are is some fake rapper who can only put a solid verse together when you're battling, then you aren't worth an investment.
Anyone that is not a believer, listen to some of UA's or even 151's earlier shit. If you cannot recognize the huge change in styles they've made, REGARDLESS OF THEIR SUBJECT CONTENT, PUNCHLINES, ETC.......you aren't qualified to speak on this topic in the first place.
This NorthWest region is fucked. That much must be recognized. It will take is the COMBINATION OF superior Lyricism and the West Coast swagger to get recognized. We CANNOT rely on just one or the other. We ARE NOT owed anything, and there IS NOT a time-line of guaranteed success and recognition.
If you want to read more into it than that, then thats all on you.
What really matters here, is that the days of relying on Emotion and Feeling and Story-telling, those days are over. Come with the Multi-Syllables (like 151...like Hav Not...like Jay Barz...like UA), or don't come with anything. If all you are is some fake rapper who can only put a solid verse together when you're battling, then you aren't worth an investment.
Anyone that is not a believer, listen to some of UA's or even 151's earlier shit. If you cannot recognize the huge change in styles they've made, REGARDLESS OF THEIR SUBJECT CONTENT, PUNCHLINES, ETC.......you aren't qualified to speak on this topic in the first place.
This NorthWest region is fucked. That much must be recognized. It will take is the COMBINATION OF superior Lyricism and the West Coast swagger to get recognized. We CANNOT rely on just one or the other. We ARE NOT owed anything, and there IS NOT a time-line of guaranteed success and recognition.
And I don't even want to hear about songs. Don't tell me shit about hit songs, because hit songs are snapshots in time. They are usually nowhere near representative of an artists' fan base. They're meant to trick and fool people into giving your other shit a listen, and then you bait-and-switch them.
This is why i flat-out will not support an artist that does it. Use the same style and level of lyricism you use on all your other songs, or find other people to support you.
This is why i flat-out will not support an artist that does it. Use the same style and level of lyricism you use on all your other songs, or find other people to support you.
Ima karate chop your ass!
See, this is where there's an issue. Look what happened to the Souf. They stuck to what they know and got their time. No need to incorporate someone else's shit into what is that of our own in order to sit where we belong.
Still tho, you are right to an extent. (I shouldnt really speak much about this because I dont sound like Im from home anyway)
The South has a history of making powerful music, and of having lots of Black people. The NorthWest has no such history or reputation. We are a region of White People that feel like they are owed something. We are owed nothing.
Superior lyricism belongs to nobody. A Swagger belongs to nobody. These are not posessions--they are characteristics and descriptions.
Look at T.I.
Listen to Young Jeezy.
Hear this man Lil Wayne's new project.
....PLEASE tell me you hear the difference between them, LYRICALLY, and other southern artists that have gone platinum and gold.
Wayne, Jeezy, T.I.....these are NOT the "feel my struggle" rappers, that do nothing but rhyme shitty lyrics about so called "real life" issues. These are people that, when in doubt, will say someting that RHYMES....rather than FORCING something that has "meaning".
If you are going to be spending money on albums, these are the types of artists to be looking for. NOBODY believes that this NorthWest region has anywhere near as much Crime, Racism or anything else that other regions have, and forcing the issue by doing tihs "Oh yeah!!! Listen to MC Such-and-such Rhyme about his hood!" is not going to help matters.
We need to focus on Solid Lyricism and good West Coast beats. New Slang or styles would help as well. But we are not going to be Out-Gangstering or Out-Suffering ANYBODY any time soon, so that music needs to be either of abandoned entirely, or pushed to the back burner.
Superior lyricism belongs to nobody. A Swagger belongs to nobody. These are not posessions--they are characteristics and descriptions.
Look at T.I.
Listen to Young Jeezy.
Hear this man Lil Wayne's new project.
....PLEASE tell me you hear the difference between them, LYRICALLY, and other southern artists that have gone platinum and gold.
Wayne, Jeezy, T.I.....these are NOT the "feel my struggle" rappers, that do nothing but rhyme shitty lyrics about so called "real life" issues. These are people that, when in doubt, will say someting that RHYMES....rather than FORCING something that has "meaning".
If you are going to be spending money on albums, these are the types of artists to be looking for. NOBODY believes that this NorthWest region has anywhere near as much Crime, Racism or anything else that other regions have, and forcing the issue by doing tihs "Oh yeah!!! Listen to MC Such-and-such Rhyme about his hood!" is not going to help matters.
We need to focus on Solid Lyricism and good West Coast beats. New Slang or styles would help as well. But we are not going to be Out-Gangstering or Out-Suffering ANYBODY any time soon, so that music needs to be either of abandoned entirely, or pushed to the back burner.