Are times tough in the USA?

[suspect#1]

Ok, it really doesn't matter. I don't think that either of us will get what we want in the end. Our parties our both fucked up.

And yes I pulled that figure out of my ass. But the thing is, if no one on welfare wants to be on welfare why don't more people do what they need to do to change their own circumstances?

There is so much more out there than to feel like a victim, and give up.

If a guy like me, who spent his entire young life in drugs, criminal records, jail time, children, broken familys ect. If I could pull my ownself up, and in spite of all my personal mistakes, and despite all the adversity I was faced with, can rise up and take control of my own life and destiny, then why would you not want more to do it?

Anyways, it doesn't matter. I would be for tax increases, and social programs, if we crack down on illegal immigration, and have a better welfare system that is not abused.

And to me that's what this is about.

I want to be free to make my own way, and not be forced to be happy with subsizing failure.

Maybe a lot of what you think the problem is validated, and maybe we can agree, and I'm all for it. But I want cuts on all fronts.

If you want to cut the waste on my side, and raise taxes, then I'm sure we could compromise. But I also want you to cut the waste out of your social programs that have really not truly helped anyone become better people.

Again I am all about helping the truly helpless.



Unfortantly, neither of our partys are about doing anything that both of us who have clear differences want.

I would prolly go for a lot of your cuts if you would go for a lot of mine.

 

[suspect#1]

Ok, it really doesn't matter. I don't think that either of us will get what we want in the end. Our parties our both fucked up.

And yes I pulled that figure out of my ass. But the thing is, if no one on welfare wants to be on welfare why don't more people do what they need to do to change their own circumstances?

There is so much more out there than to feel like a victim, and give up.

If a guy like me, who spent his entire young life in drugs, criminal records, jail time, children, broken familys ect. If I could pull my ownself up, and in spite of all my personal mistakes, and despite all the adversity I was faced with, can rise up and take control of my own life and destiny, then why would you not want more to do it?

Anyways, it doesn't matter. I would be for tax increases, and social programs, if we crack down on illegal immigration, and have a better welfare system that is not abused.

And to me that's what this is about.

I want to be free to make my own way, and not be forced to be happy with subsizing failure.

Maybe a lot of what you think the problem is validated, and maybe we can agree, and I'm all for it. But I want cuts on all fronts.

If you want to cut the waste on my side, and raise taxes, then I'm sure we could compromise. But I also want you to cut the waste out of your social programs that have really not truly helped anyone become better people.

Again I am all about helping the truly helpless.



Unfortantly, neither of our partys are about doing anything that both of us who have clear differences want.

I would prolly go for a lot of your cuts if you would go for a lot of mine.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

And yes I pulled that figure out of my ass. But the thing is, if no one on welfare wants to be on welfare why don't more people do what they need to do to change their own circumstances?

There is so much more out there than to feel like a victim, and give up.

If a guy like me, who spent his entire young life in drugs, criminal records, jail time, children, broken familys ect. If I could pull my ownself up, and in spite of all my personal mistakes, and despite all the adversity I was faced with, can rise up and take control of my own life and destiny, then why would you not want more to do it?

who says they don't? This again shows me you don't really know what you're talking about, as the majority of families who ever use welfare do so for relatively short periods of time. The smaller percentage of people who stay on welfare for long periods of time (several years) usually do so because they are in pretty fucked up situations and have a lot of other problems as well (health being a big one).

 

[suspect#1]

who says they don't? This again shows me you don't really know what you're talking about, as the majority of families who ever use welfare do so for relatively short periods of time. The smaller percentage of people who stay on welfare for long periods of time (several years) usually do so because they are in pretty fucked up situations and have a lot of other problems as well (health being a big one).

If thats the case, then why did they have to put term limits on how long you can actully be on welfare?

And listen buddy I do know what Im talking about, because I know as many people getting handouts, than I do people who actully dont feel like a victim of the evil rich people who are holding everyone down.

I know as many people who have lost their jobs, and have pulled themselves up, and the same ammount who refuse to look for work in any other field or wont take a job they feel is beneath them.

Dont give me this they are in a fucked up situation trip. Its a fucking copout.

There are companys where I work that hire mentally challenged workers and pay them very well to cut grass, clean toilets and work in the food sector here.

IF a mentally challenged person, who is TRULY FUCKING HELPLESS can get up every morning and get to work, then so should anyone else.

I see old guys with fucking oxygen masks people greeting at WAL MART.

And you want me to give my money to some downtrodden loser that would rather drink all night on a work night, and be to hungover to show up for work the next day?

Thats the problem my friend, there are so many of them that they know they can get drunk all night and not show up for work, cuz they will still get food stamps and some cash!

At least half of the people Ive known in my 31 years of life who were on welfare 7 years ago are still right there! Despite all the fuckin money we give over for numerous back to work programs.

And of course most people on welfare dont want to be on it...But alot also dont want to work either...

So what should we do? Give more money? Should a person on welfare make an equal living as a person who works their ass off?

Should a worker at wal mart get paid exactly what I do, even though I have skills and wal mart is a skill less job?

I feel sorry for the guys who lose jobs and are stuck looking for work....

But should I feel sorry for my buddy thats been on unemployement for 3 years, because he refuses to take a job he feels is beneath him? I mean should I do more to help him bring in more money, even though he could easily find a job RIGHT NOW TODAY that will pay him more than hes getting on Benefits?

Guess what? Hes miserable.

Then on the other hand I have a roomate who has a wife, and owns a home about a 3 hour drive from me. And after being laid off for 13 months, he found a decent job over this way. Now he pays me rent and commutes back home on the weekends.

He understands that he needs to do what he needs to do. hes not rich, he just understands that if you want something in this life you have to quit making excuses.

You live in an alternate reality if you think that someone else owes you a living buddy. I dont know how old you are, but damn...

Bottom line is if you dont think enough tax money is being thrown to failed social programs, then by all means freely donate your own money to help support the cause. Put your money where your mouth is.

I want to keep what i work hard for, And as I make more I think I have a right to keep most of that as well.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

^^still missing the point. Nice glenn beck style rant, though.

btw, where is most of your tax money going to?

 

[suspect#1]

Well 206 its hard to keep up. I pay fed tax, sales tax, gas tax, city tax, property tax, business tax, just off the top of my head. Maybe what I should do is tell you what percentage of my money goes to taxes.

 

[suspect#1]

Can't forget social security tax, medicare medicade, the list goes on, but yet its just not enough!

 

[2-0-Sixx]

^^that's what your federal tax pays for. A huge chunk of it goes straight to defense. If you want to bitch about how much taxes you pay you should focus on how much god damn money we spend on the war machine.

again STILL you're missing the point. You're worried about how much money is going to welfare, etc. but don't see the larger picture, like how General Electric proclaimed last month that they paid no federal taxes in 2010, despite BILLIONS in U.S. profits. Again there is a huge shift right now and it a massive attack on the working class of america. You don't see it because you're so focused on the little bullshit the media is making people debate about.

 

[suspect#1]

^^that's what your federal tax pays for. A huge chunk of it goes straight to defense. If you want to bitch about how much taxes you pay you should focus on how much god damn money we spend on the war machine.

again STILL you're missing the point. You're worried about how much money is going to welfare, etc. but don't see the larger picture, like how General Electric proclaimed last month that they paid no federal taxes in 2010, despite BILLIONS in U.S. profits. Again there is a huge shift right now and it a massive attack on the working class of america. You don't see it because you're so focused on the little bullshit the media is making people debate about.

I did not miss the point, notice how Im not debating anything you just posted. Its sick. All of it. Thats why in many ways, Im ok with this. Let the ship go down so we can rebuild.