Anyone familiar with smog testing? I think the technician is a crackhead..

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kieu

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I'm a smog tech, and I'll tell you what the rules are and you can determine if he fucked up or not. If he fucked up get a free retest, if he wants you to pay call BAR (Bureau of Automotive Repair).

I'm not going to list the full details until I know what year/car this is for.

Visual Check Engine Light test
1. Vehicle is off
2. Turn the key to the "ON" position in the ignition
3. You should see the check engine light turn on (no other lights matter)
4. Start the car, you should see the check engine light turn off
(This test does vary depending on the year/make of the vehicle but if your car does passes this then it's passes the visual. If it fails this, you may still pass depending on the car). Let me know what make/year it is I'll let you know if it passes anyway.

Functional Check Engine Light Test
1. Only applies to 1996 or newer vehicles (some 04 models exempt, 05+ generally get exempt for now) Only like 10 cars from 02-03 are exempt.
2. The smog machine hooks up the the cars OBDII port (car's cpu) and checks for any codes
3. If any codes are present, BUT the check engine light is off while running you will pass this test. So if the Check Engine Light is off while running you will pass this part and pass visual.
4. The second part to this test is the monitor check, there are monitors that communicate with the car's main computer and notifies the computer if it sees any problems. If the monitors see a problem it flags the main computer and the main computer turns on the check engine light.
5. If you turn off the check engine light by scanner or disconnect the battery, you basically resetting the monitors. If you try to smog the car and the monitors are NOT set, the machine will fail your car.
6.To set these monitors you must drive X miles, usually around 50 to be safe.
7. After you have driven X miles if the light does not come back on your good to go. (ask the smog tech to check your monitors before the test, they will generally do this for you) 1996-00 you can have 2 monitors NOT set, 01+ can have only 1.

So overall if your light is off while running but works in the "ON" position, it will pass this test. If it doesn't these are a few reasons why he may have failed the car.

Worse case scenario there is a way around this test IF you car is 1996-2000. If it's 2001+ I think this trick may not work but it might (I haven't tried it). I know it works for 1996-2000.

First find a technician that will test your car if you left it running. Ie: when you park in their lot you don't turn off the car. He hops in the car and doesnt shut it off until the CEL functional test. If he's willing to do that, then this will work.

If you don't have a scanner then just simply disconnect the negetive terminal on the battery for 20 secs and re-connect. This will reset your check engine light. Drive X miles (usually 50) but the more the better, what you want to do is have the monitors SET. While your driving do NOT shut off the car at all no matter what. Just do your mileage and go straight to the smog shop. Leave it running and have him test it, only shutting the car off when he does the CEL visual and functional. The reason behind this is, the monitors usually need to see the same problem 2 times in a row in different drive cycles. Meaning if you never shut the car off your still on the first drive cycle so the check engine light should never come on. once you shut the car off the car may consider it to be a new drive cycle so once you start driving again the light may come on. But it will not come on if he just starts it back up only when you start driving, remember this is because the monitors don't run at idle that's why you need to drive X miles.

If the car is 76-1995 then you dont need to worry about the functional check engine light test, only need to worry about the visual.

The rule for 76-1995 is
1.turn key to ON, CEL should come on.
2. start car, if the light goes off for a split second at all then it's a pass. (loophole in the law book). Meaning once you start the car, if the CEL turns off for 1/2 a second and comes back on thats still considered a pass. If it stays on the entire time without turning off at all then it's a fail.
3. Obviously if you start the car and the light goes off and stays off then you pass.
4. That's all there is to it.

if you need more info let me know, but that's the general idea behind that part of the test.
 

MysticOracle

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and running monitors can be a bitch....domestic vehicles are easy to get the monitors to run... sometimes there are certain procedures that need to be done just to get a car to run monitors successfully...a car will fail if at least 4-5 monitors havent been ran out of 7

and if you have an OBD-1 car 1995 and below they will perform an EVAP test...pressurizing your fuel system to check for leaks

but if you say he failed you for a non functional CEL than you should go back and show him it works...or maybe there was something lost in the communication between the two of you
 

Chree

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i need sum1 that will pass my car in the bay..... lol who got a hook up? i need a smog done but my shit wont pass....
 

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go to a mechanic shop and talk to the owner, get him to use a obd2 reader and pull up your codes, your answer will be in one of those codes that pops up

i got the hook on smog in the valley if anyone needs it
 
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EVEN IF THEY SCAN IT FOR THE CODES, THEY CAN'T DIAGNOSE WHAT THE CODE MEANS ALOT OF THE TIME, U GOTTA TAKE IT TO A SPECIALIST

LAST TIME MY SHIT PASSED EMMISIONS BUT IT TURNED OUT HTE COMPUTER CODE SAID SOMETHING WAS WRONG WITH A OXYGEN CENSOR
 
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cool ive put on about 45 miles since my test, going to take it again on Wednesday. I'll let you all know the results.

I'm seriously just gonna get a fuckin oldschool so I don't have to fuck with this shit no more. No computer modules, nothin.
 

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I think this thread was a jinx my parents just bought this POS Ford Taurus and the check engine light bulb was taken out. The car runs well but they are getting p0430 which means the catalytic converter is bad. That is the first time anyone I know has had this problem. I will always make sure all the dash lights work now when I buy a car because pulling the bulb out is some shady shit.
 
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I think this thread was a jinx my parents just bought this POS Ford Taurus and the check engine light bulb was taken out. The car runs well but they are getting p0430 which means the catalytic converter is bad. That is the first time anyone I know has had this problem. I will always make sure all the dash lights work now when I buy a car because pulling the bulb out is some shady shit.
Yup. When I was in school one of the cars that came in had tiny ass little drill holes to break the light. The instructor told the dude to bounce.
 
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unless dude is a hater cunt, my moms car has some fucking unfixable code, i did that, and it worked, its a 2002. BTW, how many computer proms have you burnt yourself on a car? or changed out?
You turned the light off, yeah. If something was broken, its still broken. If it didnt set a code and it didnt happen again the light would stay off, but it would also turn off if you cleared it with a scanner or had a certain number of trips without a fault. How many proms have I burnt or changed out? The hell are you talking about?
 

Arson

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You turned the light off, yeah. If something was broken, its still broken. If it didnt set a code and it didnt happen again the light would stay off, but it would also turn off if you cleared it with a scanner or had a certain number of trips without a fault. How many proms have I burnt or changed out? The hell are you talking about?
Bro, if you reset the computer, it usually takes atleast of driving for it to re-code, his code is probley a history code that is fucking him, hence why he doesnt have a current light on, so my way would help even more, if he lives in the bay, ill have it passed for him. You know E-prom, the programing in a cars computers, Ive been tweaking, and messing with them since i was 15, removing speed limiters, changing timing, fueling map, all that, i think i know a little bit more about it then you, I also have gotten a 11 second car with a computer to pass visual and smog, so please bro, dont act like i have no idea what im talking about.
 
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Bro, if you reset the computer, it usually takes atleast of driving for it to re-code, his code is probley a history code that is fucking him, hence why he doesnt have a current light on, so my way would help even more, if he lives in the bay, ill have it passed for him. You know E-prom, the programing in a cars computers, Ive been tweaking, and messing with them since i was 15, removing speed limiters, changing timing, fueling map, all that, i think i know a little bit more about it then you, I also have gotten a 11 second car with a computer to pass visual and smog, so please bro, dont act like i have no idea what im talking about.
nevermind, i dont feel like arguing.
 

Arson

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lol smog
on a serious note all 3 of my brake lights are out. could it be the brake switch, fuses or bulbs?
Id put my money on the switch that your brake pedal triggers, its probley got pushed out of adjustment, Id bet you can just clip it back in place, or it needs to be replaced.