America in Decline: Why Germans Think We're Insane

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Miro

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mentally are Americans living in a bubble? The US is sooo different from the rest of the world in regards to social welfare, other countries protest when the people feel they're being treated unjust in the US we do nothing. 20% unemployment at what percentage will Americans wake up?



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AlterNet
America in Decline: Why Germans Think We're Insane
By Democrats Ramshield, AlterNet
Posted on December 26, 2010, Printed on December 27, 2010
http://www.alternet.org/story/149324/

As an American expat living in the European Union, I’ve started to see America from a different perspective.

The European Union has a larger economy and more people than America does. Though it spends less -- right around 9 percent of GNP on medical, whereas we in the U.S. spend close to between 15 to 16 percent of GNP on medical -- the EU pretty much insures 100 percent of its population.

The U.S. has 59 million people medically uninsured; 132 million without dental insurance; 60 million without paid sick leave; 40 million on food stamps. Everybody in the European Union has cradle-to-grave access to universal medical and a dental plan by law. The law also requires paid sick leave; paid annual leave; paid maternity leave. When you realize all of that, it becomes easy to understand why many Europeans think America has gone insane.

Der Spiegel has run an interesting feature called "A Superpower in Decline," which attempts to explain to a German audience such odd phenomena as the rise of the Tea Party, without the hedging or attempts at "balance" found in mainstream U.S. media. On the Tea Parties:

Full of Hatred: "The Tea Party, that group of white, older voters who claim that they want their country back, is angry. Fox News host Glenn Beck, a recovering alcoholic who likens Obama to Adolf Hitler, is angry. Beck doesn't quite know what he wants to be -- maybe a politician, maybe president, maybe a preacher -- and he doesn't know what he wants to do, either, or least he hasn't come up with any specific ideas or plans. But he is full of hatred."

The piece continues with the sobering assessment that America’s actual unemployment rate isn’t really 10 percent, but close to 20 percent when we factor in the number of people who have stopped looking for work.

Some social scientists think that making sure large-scale crime or fascism never takes root in Europe again requires a taxpayer investment in a strong social safety net. Can we learn from Europe? Isn't it better to invest in a social safety net than in a large criminal justice system? (In America over 2 million people are incarcerated.)

Jobless Benefits That Never Run Out

Unlike here, in Germany jobless benefits never run out. Not only that -- as part of their social safety net, all job seekers continue to be medically insured, as are their families.

In the German jobless benefit system, when "jobless benefit 1" runs out, "jobless benefit 2," also known as HartzIV, kicks in. That one never gets cut off. The jobless also have contributions made for their pensions. They receive other types of insurance coverage from the state. As you can imagine, the estimated 2 million unemployed Americans who almost had no benefits this Christmas seems a particular horror show to Europeans, made worse by the fact that the U.S. government does not provide any medical insurance to American unemployment recipients. Europeans routinely recoil at that in disbelief and disgust.

In another piece the Spiegel magazine steps away from statistics and tells the story of Pam Brown, who personifies what is coming to be known as the Nouveau American poor. Pam Brown was a former executive assistant on Wall Street, and her shocking decline has become part of the American story:

American society is breaking apart. Millions of people have lost their jobs and fallen into poverty. Among them, for the first time, are many middle-class families. Meet Pam Brown from New York, whose life changed overnight. The crisis caught her unprepared. "It was horrible," Pam Brown remembers. "Overnight I found myself on the wrong side of the fence. It never occurred to me that something like this could happen to me. I got very depressed." Brown sits in a cheap diner on West 14th Street in Manhattan, stirring her $1.35 coffee. That's all she orders -- it's too late for breakfast and too early for lunch. She also needs to save money. Until early 2009, Brown worked as an executive assistant on Wall Street, earning more than $80,000 a year, living in a six-bedroom house with her three sons. Today, she's long-term unemployed and has to make do with a tiny one-bedroom in the Bronx.

It's important to note that no country in the European Union uses food stamps in order to humiliate its disadvantaged citizens in the grocery checkout line. Even worse is the fact that even the humbling food stamp allotment may not provide enough food for America’s jobless families. So it is on a reoccurring basis that some of these families report eating out of garbage cans to the European media.

For Pam Brown, last winter was the worst. One day she ran out of food completely and had to go through trash cans. She fell into a deep depression ... For many, like Brown, the downfall is a Kafkaesque odyssey, a humiliation hard to comprehend. Help is not in sight: their government and their society have abandoned them.

Pam Brown and her children were disturbingly, indeed incomprehensibly, allowed to fall straight to the bottom. The richest country in the world becomes morally bankrupt when someone like Pam Brown and her children have to pick through trash to eat, abandoned with a callous disregard by the American government. People like Brown have found themselves dispossessed due to the robber baron actions of the Wall Street elite.

Hunger in the Land of the Big Mac

A shocking headline from a Swiss newspaper reads (Berner Zeitung) “Hunger in the Land of the Big Mac.” Though the article is in German, the pictures are worth 1,000 words and need no translation. Given the fact that the Swiss virtually eliminated hunger, how do we as Americans think they will view these pictures, to which the American population has apparently been desensitized.



This appears to be a picture of two mothers collecting food boxes from the charity Feed the Children.

Perhaps the only way for us to remember what we really look like in America is to see ourselves through the eyes of others. While it is true that we can all be proud Americans, surely we don't have to be proud of the broken American social safety net. Surely we can do better than that. Can a European-style social safety net rescue the American working and middle classes from GOP and Tea Party warfare?

© 2010 Independent Media Institute. All rights reserved.
View this story online at: http://www.alternet.org/story/149324/
 
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One of the reasons because our governments sadly follow the footsteps of your government in a lot of ways..



Specifically, in what footsteps did you follow that are now a source of your implosion?



Also, if you guys were truly following in our footsteps, wouldn't that place you behind us, and therefore exposing us to the same detructive factors at a higher degree?

In other words, if you are following us, why are you imploding faster than us?
 

Miro

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lmao Europe is imploding faster than anywhere in the world right now.
Tea Party movement are doing that faster than Europe! Do you even keep up with the news?

and you think its all good in the US? Where the 1% have more wealth than the bottom 50%, where the middle class has been shrinking, Where the wealthy and super powerful have taken over your political system and put laws into place that only benefit them.

The uneducated tea party supports fascist views (show me your papers law in Arizona), and where they in power they govern irresponsibly
Default Tea Partier Brings Nassau County to Brink of Bankruptcy



here's a few highlights from the above article:

The European Union has a larger economy and more people than America does. Though it spends less -- right around 9 percent of GNP on medical, whereas we in the U.S. spend close to between 15 to 16 percent of GNP on medical -- the EU pretty much insures 100 percent of its population.

The U.S. has 59 million people medically uninsured; 132 million without dental insurance; 60 million without paid sick leave; 40 million on food stamps. Everybody in the European Union has cradle-to-grave access to universal medical and a dental plan by law. The law also requires paid sick leave; paid annual leave; paid maternity leave. When you realize all of that, it becomes easy to understand why many Europeans think America has gone insane.

Unlike here, in Germany jobless benefits never run out. Not only that -- as part of their social safety net, all job seekers continue to be medically insured, as are their families.

Some social scientists think that making sure large-scale crime or fascism never takes root in Europe again requires a taxpayer investment in a strong social safety net. Can we learn from Europe? Isn't it better to invest in a social safety net than in a large criminal justice system? (In America over 2 million people are incarcerated.)

Some social scientists think that making sure large-scale crime or fascism never takes root in Europe again requires a taxpayer investment in a strong social safety net. Can we learn from Europe? Isn't it better to invest in a social safety net than in a large criminal justice system? (In America over 2 million people are incarcerated.)

Some social scientists think that making sure large-scale crime or fascism never takes root in Europe again requires a taxpayer investment in a strong social safety net. Can we learn from Europe? Isn't it better to invest in a social safety net than in a large criminal justice system? (In America over 2 million people are incarcerated.)
 
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Specifically, in what footsteps did you follow that are now a source of your implosion?



Also, if you guys were truly following in our footsteps, wouldn't that place you behind us, and therefore exposing us to the same detructive factors at a higher degree?

In other words, if you are following us, why are you imploding faster than us?
I can only say for holland since I still don't see the eu as a whole.

But we privatized the healthcare system in 2006. Resulting in paying more money for less healthcare.

Privatized public transportation, resulting in rising of prices. And collecting private information.

There are other things as well but I didn't sleep too much last night and my brain hasn't fully started yet.

But what do you mean exactly by 'the eu is imploding' ?

I also haven't followed the news now in a few months.
 
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I can only say for holland since I still don't see the eu as a whole.
So you should have been speaking about Holland and not Europe.

But we privatized the healthcare system in 2006. Resulting in paying more money for less healthcare.
Do you have any information to back up that claim?

Are you really paying more money, or are you just paying more money directly out of pocket rather than having taxes (which you also pay) subsidize the direct out of pocket expenses?

Privatized public transportation, resulting in rising of prices. And collecting private information.
Same as above, are you really paying more money, or are you just paying more money directly out of pocket rather than having taxes (which you also pay) subsidize the direct out of pocket expenses?

But what do you mean exactly by 'the eu is imploding' ?
I mean Iceland failed as a country, Greece and Ireland were bailed out and remain on the brink of collapse while Portugal and Spain are facing serious trouble.

Greece's government bonds are junk status.
Irish government bond are Baa1

After being bailed out.

Spain has 20% unemployment and 40% unemployment of young people.

You know how social services work right? The young people pay for the services the old people use. If the young people aren't working, who is going to pay for those social services?

Before the bailout, it was estimate that the underground or black market in Greece accounted for 25% of the GDP. 25%!!!!

That is because governments can only tax people so much before they will begin to avoid taxes.



Why would you work if 100% of your income went to the government right?

Greece overtaxed it's population to pay for the social services it couldn't afford, went into extreme debt to continue to pay those services and now is on the brink of collapse.