Alex Smith Possibly Out For the Season

[Quick]

As a Qb you don't want to take hits. I personally think Garcia is a good qb and a hard cat. I think he's tough. I've seen him take hits before and hard ones only to get up. Garcia is hard in my opinion.

Running out of bounds a couple yards short of a first down to avoid a hit, when you can take a hit and keep going to get a first down is what Im talking about.

See take Tony Romo for example, he feels the pass rush but keeps his eyes down field on his recievers to keep the play alive. Garcia was more worried about getting hit and when he felt pressure, the play was basically over. I never saw him dive for a first down like Steve Young. EVER.

 

[Quick]

The problem Garcia had was his cap number..

If a player is worth it, then the number aint a problem. If your not worth it, then well you gotta find a new home.

I mean the Niners, Browns, Lions and Eagles are all dumber then you guys right? Why did they all pass up on this amazing Qb then?

 

[MaddDogg]

He did what on the Lions?

The Lions were a horrible team when Garcia was there. They were horrible years before he was there, and years after. So what’d he do for the Eagles after he sat half the season and how has he played with the Bucs?

Rex Gossman kept the Bears alive and took them to a super bowl, is he a great QB because of that?

No. You told me I should not compare Garcia to Young, even if it wasn’t about skills, so you should not compare Garcia to Grossman.

He never took a hit like Steve Young, show me a play where Garica dove head first or even dove for that matter.

Im shouldn’t have to show you. You watched the games right?

And I never said that Alex Smith was improving once this year, try again.....

HERE is where you said he is improving: http://www.siccness.net/vb/showthread.php?t=232695&page=6

HERE is what you said:

Alex is only 23 years old. If he wasnt improving, you guys would have an arguement here

 

[Tony]

Running out of bounds a couple yards short of a first down to avoid a hit, when you can take a hit and keep going to get a first down is what Im talking about.

That would apply to everyone else running the ball besides your starting Qb.

 

[MaddDogg]

Ive been saying this since 03

http://www.siccness.net/vb/showthread.php?t=40632&highlight=Garica

I watched time and time again where Garcia avoided hits. I even brought up a thread from 4 years ago saying the same shit. Someone even agreed with me that he was avoiding hits.

Clearly you are entitled to your own opinion about this, but its interesting you brought up “someone even agreed” because besides you and homeboy this is what everyone else said in that thread:

QUICK..YOU'RE TRIPPIN' HARD HOMIE…. I CAN AGREE WITH THAT. I WAS LIKE "WHAT THE HELL!!" ..BUT THAT DONT CLASSIFY HIM AS A BITCH. HES A DAMN GOOD QB.

garcia is a queerbait, but without him 9ers wouldnt have won alot of their games and you call yourself a niners fan?

You a 9er fan and you hatin' on one of your team leaders? That's some punk shit. Have some faith in our QB. He got skills, he's smart, and he's tough. The only thing that sets him back is his size...other than that, Garcia is the shit! QUIT HATIN!!

thiz iz tha DUMBEZT FUCKIN THING IVE EVER HEARD…. when tha game iz on tha lyne, tha FIRZT FUCKIN QB I'D GO FOR IZ GARCIA. u stupid ass motherfucker. in case you havent noticed, Garcia iz one of tha top QB'z in tha league, and he'z carrying tha team damn well. so he made one miztake.... now you're clownin on him? man SHUT THA FUCK UP.

I THINK JEFF GARCIA IS ANYTHING BUT SCARED HOMIE!! WHEN JEFF FIRST STARTED OFF, HE WAS SHAKY WITH THE SAN FRANCISCO CITY AND THE TEAM! BUT HE SHOWED HEART GOING HEAD UP WITH DEFENDERS AND GOING FOR THE EXTRA INCHES PUTTING HIMSELF ON THE LINE WHEN OTHER QUARTER BACKS WOULD SLIDE. WATCH THE GAME AGAIN HOMIE

 

[Chree]

ouch........

 

[Quick]

The Lions are a horrible team. So what’d he do for the Eagles after he sat half the season and how has he played with the Bucs?:

A horrible team needs a QB right? If a team sucks so bad, why let go of their best player? A second round loss where he played a horrible game was what he did. If he was so great, what happened to the super bowl?

No. You told me I should not compare Garcia to Young, even if it wasn’t about skills, so you should not compare Garcia to Grossman.?:

I brought up Grossman because he took his team to the Super Bowl. Does that make him a good QB?

Im shouldn’t have to show you. You watched the games right??:

I did watch the games, thats why I know this. I meant show me where he stood in the pocket longer to keep the play going. Show me where he took a hit to get a first down. Show me where he wasnt scared of getting hit and threw the ball (to a reciever not out of bounds) to gain more yards. I know you cant thats why i brought that up.

HERE is where you said he is improving: http://www.siccness.net/vb/showthread.php?t=232695&page=6

HERE is what you said:

From Year 1 to Year 2, he improved. Busts dont improve form year to year. Dont take what I say out of context to fit what you say. I wasnt even talking about this year smart guy.

 

[Quick]

Clearly you are entitled to your own opinion about this, but its interesting you brought up “someone even agreed” because besides you and homeboy this is what everyone else said in that thread:

I give a fuck what they said.....

I said

I MEAN WE'RE DOWN BY 8 AND THE MUTHAFUCKA HAS THE NERVE TO THROW THE BALL AWAY ON THE 10 YARD LINE ON THIRD DOWN.

^^^^thats what he did on the niners


And he agreed thats what happened. The story of Garica's career.....

 

[FATAL NYGHTMARE]

I watched time and time again where Garcia avoided hits. I even brought up a thread from 4 years ago saying the same shit. Someone even agreed with me that he was avoiding hits.

He is/was a good, above average QB but he is scared of taking hits. I seen that shit with my own eyes....

QBs are supposed to avoid hits dog. We're not talking about a runningback here. Most coaches will get on their QB's ass if he doesn't try to avoid hits (which is why most QBs slide before getting hit, Garcia rarely did/does that, but he should).

I guess my point is he takes huge hits and gets up and goes to the huddle. He can take the shots and move on..

 

[FATAL NYGHTMARE]

Running out of bounds a couple yards short of a first down to avoid a hit, when you can take a hit and keep going to get a first down is what Im talking about.

Can you give an example? In what game? I don't ever recall him not even trying for a first when it's in reach..

See take Tony Romo for example, he feels the pass rush but keeps his eyes down field on his recievers to keep the play alive. Garcia was more worried about getting hit and when he felt pressure, the play was basically over.

You couldn't be more wrong homie. Garcia was more worried about taking a sack and losing yards, so he'd scramble around, with his eyes still looking downfield, and he'd usually find a target. He's still doing that to this day.

I never saw him dive for a first down like Steve Young. EVER.

If you mean falling forward (head first) like Steve Young used to do, then I have to disagree. I recall him doing that several times. And by the way, Young got chewed out every time he did that.

 

[FATAL NYGHTMARE]

If a player is worth it, then the number aint a problem. If your not worth it, then well you gotta find a new home.

The number that made him find a new home was his age. They didn't wanna pay him because he was already old in their eyes. Not to mention the team was in cap hell and couldn't pay him if they wanted to.

It's obvious you don't like Jeff Garcia, but it's not obvious as to why. It must be a personal issue that you have, because Garcia was/is a real good QB. He helped us win quite a few games that we would have never won with just a "good" QB. I suggest you watch the playoff game against the Giants as a refresher.

He is no Manning/Brady/Favre, but he is one of the better QBs playing.

I've met a few Niner fans who have hated the guy, but never had a good reason for it. They always just said he looked gay or talked like a fag.. Great reason to not like a football player.

 

[FATAL NYGHTMARE]

I brought up Grossman because he took his team to the Super Bowl. Does that make him a good QB?

Let's make one thing very clear here.. Rex Grossman did not take anybody anywhere. The Chicago Bears' DEFENSE took HIM to the SuperBowl.

 

[Quick]

QBs are supposed to avoid hits dog. We're not talking about a runningback here. Most coaches will get on their QB's ass if he doesn't try to avoid hits (which is why most QBs slide before getting hit, Garcia rarely did/does that, but he should).

I guess my point is he takes huge hits and gets up and goes to the huddle. He can take the shots and move on..

Im not saying he doesnt take hits, he has no choice about that. Im saying if the choice is to run for a few more seconds to complete a pass and get hit at the end or just throw the ball away and avoid contact altogther, most of the time he threw the ball away.

Maybe I was just used to Steve Young, risking his body and health for a few extra yards, that I was expecting Garica to do the same.

 

[FATAL NYGHTMARE]

Im not saying he doesnt take hits, he has no choice about that. Im saying if the choice is to run for a few more seconds to complete a pass and get hit at the end or just throw the ball away and avoid contact altogther, most of the time he threw the ball away.

That's what he was told to do. He executed everything that coaches wanted him to. Alex throws a lot of balls away because that's what he's told to do. It's better than throwing INTs or making other mistakes.

Maybe I was just used to Steve Young, risking his body and health for a few extra yards, that I was expecting Garica to do the same.

Yeah but Steve Young did what he wanted. He was a superstar QB so the coaches didn't have much say. They did get on his ass for doing so, but everyone knew he would do whatever he wanted because he was Steve Young. They weren't gonna bench him or come down on him for not listening.. Jeff Garcia didn't have that luxury.

But at the same time, playing the way he did led to his retirement.

 

[Quick]

Can you give an example? In what game? I don't ever recall him not even trying for a first when it's in reach..]

Its been a min but I dont recall him actually not trying to get a first down. It was more of an example as to why a QB would take a hit.

[You couldn't be more wrong homie. Garcia was more worried about taking a sack and losing yards, so he'd scramble around, with his eyes still looking downfield, and he'd usually find a target. He's still doing that to this day.

I remember that whenever there was pressure on Garcia, that the play was basically over. A pass rush was Garcia's worst nightmare.

[If you mean falling forward (head first) like Steve Young used to do, then I have to disagree. I recall him doing that several times. And by the way, Young got chewed out every time he did that.

I dont recall Garcia ever diving on purpose, feet or head first. Thats why I liked Steve Young so much, he hgave his all every play and risked everything.

 

[Quick]

The number that made him find a new home was his age. They didn't wanna pay him because he was already old in their eyes. Not to mention the team was in cap hell and couldn't pay him if they wanted to.

He was old but if he was worth it they wouldve kept him. Having a elite QB would be perfect for any rebuilding process.

It's obvious you don't like Jeff Garcia, but it's not obvious as to why. It must be a personal issue that you have, because Garcia was/is a real good QB. He helped us win quite a few games that we would have never won with just a "good" QB. I suggest you watch the playoff game against the Giants as a refresher.

I dont have a problem with him at all. He is a good QB and people have a problem with that. When people say he was just above average, thats what gets people mad. I wanted him to be better then Montana and Young but it didnt workout that way. Im just saying what I saw over the years of watching him.

He is no Manning/Brady/Favre, but he is one of the better QBs playing.

I've met a few Niner fans who have hated the guy, but never had a good reason for it. They always just said he looked gay or talked like a fag.. Great reason to not like a football player.

My issue with him is probably just that, he wasnt Manning/Favre/Brady/Montana/Young and as a 49er fan I wanted them to be a Super Bowl contending team. I felt that with Garcia, they would never get there.

 

[Quick]

Let's make one thing very clear here.. Rex Grossman did not take anybody anywhere. The Chicago Bears' DEFENSE took HIM to the SuperBowl.

That was my point of saying that. Just because someone is apart of something doesnt mean that they were the reason for that.

 

[Quick]

That's what he was told to do. He executed everything that coaches wanted him to. Alex throws a lot of balls away because that's what he's told to do. It's better than throwing INTs or making other mistakes.

The thing that I see different from Smith and Garica, is that Alex tries to keep the play alive and to me Garcia didnt. To me what makes or breaks a QB is how they deal with pressure.

 

[Latin Boss]

quick youre trippen hard homie. i remember garcia always giving it his all on the field.

 

[xpanther206]

He's probably not going to be out for the year after all, the doc of all docs James Andrews confirmed the teams initial diagnosis. Sounds like Alex was just being really cautious by going to see him just to make sure:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3048279