Al Gore runs it down the line

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Al Gore: ALL FAGGOT.

This globalist clone is throwing a smokescreen, but I don't know the motives behind it. Maybe the globalist are fighting amongst themselves again? Besides, who cares about americans giving up rights? The government is here to protect us from terrorists so we can continute to live the american dream.
 
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the point is to just throw shots at Bush from the periphery. grab someone the country knows that is "credible" and use them to lick shots. no one in power can/will do it because they all agree with it and would do what bush did anyway or they are pansy just like Gore and are worried their next co-sponsored bill on whatever lame pork project they want passed will get axed if they speak up too loud.

democrats have yet to figure out that they have shit for power in congress because they have no balls. republicans the last decade + have shown balls. democrats are the eunuchs of the DC orgy of decadence and corruption. this is what happens when you ride the fence.
 
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He didn't look like a robot to me I dont see anyone addressing the content of the speech only attacks on him.

Yeah al gore is a fucking politician so that does mean he panders to people but the content of this speech is very truthful and I think that is a rarity in DC.

apparently the GOM does not have an oppinoin about this speech only an oppinion of al gore
 
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choice of gore to make the speech, addressing gore as the politician he is, his political history, his current position in politics, and the timing and location of the speech are all just as important as the content itself.
 
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ColdBlooded said:
choice of gore to make the speech, addressing gore as the politician he is, his political history, his current position in politics, and the timing and location of the speech are all just as important as the content itself.
Not in the context of this thread my friend this thread was designed to discuss the content of the speech.
 
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No but im saying the speech content should be discussed.

Here Ill start.

I feel that the wire tapping of american citizens as a specific example and general lack of respect for the constitutional rights of the citizens of this country as well as the human rights of numerous forigne nations is grounds for impeachment prosecution of the president and his cabinet. The fact that there is "support" for the law breaking should have no bearing on the judicial process. If I shoot a political figure head and the asassination is in line with popular oppinoin that will not forgoe my prosecution by the courts. The enforcement of this double standard for the powerful is a symptom of the coruption which we for the most part all agree infests every niche of the political spectrum world wide. Yet here in the USA it is taboo to speak about it in public and indeed you will be censured and encouraged to keep silent if you voice such an oppinoin.

On al gore I think it was ballsy of him to say what he said when and where he said it.
 
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He is not ballsy, he is a cocksucker and an opportunist. Al Gore is NOT the first person to bring these topics up nor is anything he said extraordinary or enlightening. He is speaking the fucking obvious and there is no mystery as to why he says these things now and remained almost completely silent prior to this.

He is apart of the loyal opposition of the Republicans. Only since the apparent split in the ruling elite do people like Gore have the “balls” to come out and say shit like this.

In his speech he criticizes the war in Iraq saying that we were mislead and the information at the time suggested that Saddam was a threat to society, as if Gore never knew the true motives behind the Iraq invasion, an invasion I remind you that has been an agenda since the cold-war. As if Gore himself did not serve under Clinton who laid the ground work down for an Iraqi invasion.

Any dirty cocksucker can speak the truth every now and then. As they say, even a broken clock is right twice a day.
 
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I can't say I disagree that Al is a dirty cocksucker but I'm not above commending the truth from a shitbag. When someone in a position to have their views acknowedged says something that isn't a total lie its a rarity in this country and this is one of those cases. As for american imperialist policy in the middle east I was under the impression that iraq became a target after the fall of the USSR because of its conflict with Iran a strong ally of the former soviet union but Ill admit to not knowing everything so that seems like a very valid point and firm detractor from the merit of the afformentioned speakers credability. Do you think Gore would have invaded Iraq? I don't.
 
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Iraq has always been an area of great interest to the US. The reason we never invaded before is because the USSR "kept us in check." Once the only other superpower fell, well, the world is ours.

As for Gore invading Iraq, there is not a doubt in my mind that he wouldn't have done the same. After all, presidents do not run this country, they just give speeches.
 
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it's on the subject

What Al Gore’s speech reveals about the state of US politics
By Patrick Martin
26 January 2006


In the ten days that have passed since the January 16 speech delivered by Al Gore in Washington charging President Bush with trampling on the Constitution in his conduct of the “war on terror,” the former vice president has been alternately vilified, ridiculed or ignored. There has been little serious discussion of his criticisms of the Bush administration, however, outside of the World Socialist Web Site. (See: “Bush administration domestic spying provokes lawsuits, calls for impeachment”)
The substance of Gore’s speech was the most sweeping indictment of the Bush administration by any significant figure within the US ruling elite since Bush took office in 2001. He not only charged that the Bush White House seeks to exercise quasi-dictatorial powers over the American people, but he painted a picture of a judicial system and a Congress which are unwilling to challenge the presidential power-grab and uphold the traditional institutions of the American constitutional system, based on the separation of powers between Congress, the White House and the courts.

Such statements from such a source have extraordinary political significance. Gore is, after all, not an accidental figure in American politics. The son of a longtime senator from Tennessee, he was in turn a congressman, senator, vice president for eight years—during which he played a central role in much of the policymaking of the Clinton administration—and then the presidential candidate of the Democratic Party in 2000. He received more than 50 million votes in that election, beating Bush by 500,000 in the popular vote.

Now this representative of the highest level of the American ruling elite declares that “America’s Constitution is in grave danger,” and that democratic values “have been placed at serious risk by the unprecedented claims of the administration to a truly breathtaking expansion of executive power.”

In the current exposure of illegal surveillance, Gore said, “What we do know about this pervasive wiretapping virtually compels the conclusion that the president of the United States has been breaking the law, repeatedly and insistently. A president who breaks the law is a threat to the very structure of our government.”

He repeatedly referred to the conviction of those who wrote the American Constitution that “they had established a government of laws and not men,” declaring that the Bush White House was seeking to reverse this, creating an all-powerful executive that could ignore the law and do as it pleased.

Gore dismissed the administration’s claim that the NSA wiretapping was an exercise of presidential war powers authorized by Congress after the September 11 terrorist attacks, pointing out that the White House had sought to have specific authority for domestic counter-terrorist actions inserted in the resolution, but congressional leaders refused. “When President Bush failed to convince Congress to give him the power he wanted when this measure was passed, he secretly assumed that power anyway, as if congressional authorization was a useless bother,” he said.

Gore warned that the Bush administration’s “disrespect for America’s Constitution ... has now brought our republic to the brink of a dangerous breach in the fabric of the Constitution.” He denounced Bush’s claims of a presidential right to imprison American citizens indefinitely, without an arrest warrant or any judicial proceeding, and without informing them of the charges against them or allowing them to contact a lawyer or their own families.

He cited the White House claim of the right to kidnap, imprison, interrogate and torture individuals seized in foreign countries and held in secret US facilities around the world. “Over 100 of these captives have reportedly died while being tortured by executive branch interrogators,” he said, noting that the vast majority of those held at the best-known such prison, Abu Ghraib, were innocent of any crimes.

“Can it be true that any president really has such powers under our Constitution?” Gore asked. “If the answer is yes, then under the theory by which these acts are committed, are there any acts that can on their face be prohibited? If the president has the inherent authority to eavesdrop on American citizens without a warrant, imprison American citizens on his own declaration, kidnap and torture, then what can’t he do?

“The dean of Yale Law School, Harold Koh, said after analyzing the executive branch’s extravagant claims of these previously unrecognized powers, and I quote Dean Koh, ‘If the president has commander-in-chief power to commit torture, he has the power to commit genocide, to sanction slavery, to promote apartheid, to license summary execution’.”

This last passage warrants underlining. Gore cites with approval the assessment—by a prominent member of the US legal establishment—that the logic of the Bush administration’s policy is to assert the right to commit atrocities on a Hitlerian scale. This is how far American capitalism has moved since the launching of Bush’s “war on terror.”

The rest of Gore’s speech was devoted to reviewing the impact of this unilateral assertion of presidential authority on the system of checks and balances between the executive, legislative and judicial branches which is the hallmark of the US constitutional system.

“As a result of this unprecedented claim of new unilateral power, the executive branch has now put our constitutional design at grave risk,” he said. “The stakes for America’s democracy are far higher than has been generally recognized. These claims must be rejected and a healthy balance of power must be restored to our republic. Otherwise, the fundamental nature of our democracy may well undergo a radical transformation.”

Gore discussed the historical implications of the Bush administration’s actions, comparing them to the arbitrary actions of the British Crown which sparked the American Revolution, as well as other episodes of attacks on democratic rights, particularly during the major wars of the 20th century, such as World War I, World War II and Vietnam. One danger in the present situation, he emphasized, was that the open-ended character of the war declared by the Bush administration could “justify arrogations of power [that] will in this case persist in near perpetuity.”

The administration has also embraced a legal theory of the “unitary executive” which claims that the president’s actions as commander-in-chief are essentially unreviewable by either Congress or the courts, another blow to the traditional framework of checks and balances.

Gore noted the declining willingness of the federal judiciary to restrain executive power, but he focused more attention on Congress, saying, “The sharp decline of Congressional power and autonomy in recent years has been almost as shocking as the efforts by the executive to attain this massive expansion of its power.”