Concerning the D Sane post about what is a producer that is locked. You had the last post on there and tried to take me to task.
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#1 - I knew ahead of time that someone would try and check me for my comments...note the part of my post that says "simply because that's how its usually done at our level in the rap game". And no, I aint never had paperwork with a Major - lucky for me I been makin a livin without a major. What I said is 100% TRUE at "our level of the game"...Underground Indie Rap Music. Mutha fukkas in rap have been selling beats and getting credited as producer forever. If you are as knowledgeable as you are projecting then you have to know this.
#2 - I agree with you when you say "a lot of people (especially in rap) don't really understand what these jobs are and what the people doing them are actually responsible". That's what I was saying with "that's how its usually done at our level in the rap game". We both are saying that "In the rap game" people dont "really" or "usually" understand what a producer is.
#3 - And I disagree with your statements that "The definition of producer DOES NOT CHANGE depending on the type of music you're doing!" Of course it does...and I think you know that, that's why YOU said, again, "a lot of people (especially in rap) don't really understand what these jobs are and what the people doing them are actually responsible". Even tho it's technically incorrect...we both know that in rap a lot of times the "Beatmaker" gets credited as producer.
#4 - You say "The definition of a "producer" isn't up for negotiation or debate". This is a message board, EVERYTHING is up for negotiation and debate. Thats the point isn't it?
#5 - You said "The role is well-defined and people ignorant of that doesn't change anything". I don't know who you are or what you have done or what qualifies you to call others ignorant for their opinions...but I'm far from ignorant homeboy. Again, what I said is 100% TRUE, even if you don't like it or agree with it...In rap, especially Indie rap, the beatmaker often gets credit as producer. It's a "scandal" when Dre gets production credit for a beat that Daz or Scott Storch made because usually "In Rap" the beatmaker is the "producer". I know it's not technically correct but there is a long history of it in rap.
You quoted the ass end of my post, taking it out of context. Both the first half and second half of my post are accurate.
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SirPlayboy7 said:
they were credited as the producer regardless of whether they played "coach" on the track or not....simply because that's how its usually done at our level in the rap game.
SicWidIt said:
No, that's not how it's usually done. You obviously have never had paperwork with a major label.
The definition of producer DOES NOT CHANGE depending on the type of music you're doing! This subject creates confusion for two main reasons... First, many producers also play instruments and compose music and are wearing several hats. Second, a lot of people (especially in rap) don't really understand what these jobs are and what the people doing them are actually responsible for.
The definition of a "producer" isn't up for negotiation or debate. The role is well-defined and people ignorant of that doesn't change anything.
The definition of producer DOES NOT CHANGE depending on the type of music you're doing! This subject creates confusion for two main reasons... First, many producers also play instruments and compose music and are wearing several hats. Second, a lot of people (especially in rap) don't really understand what these jobs are and what the people doing them are actually responsible for.
The definition of a "producer" isn't up for negotiation or debate. The role is well-defined and people ignorant of that doesn't change anything.
#2 - I agree with you when you say "a lot of people (especially in rap) don't really understand what these jobs are and what the people doing them are actually responsible". That's what I was saying with "that's how its usually done at our level in the rap game". We both are saying that "In the rap game" people dont "really" or "usually" understand what a producer is.
#3 - And I disagree with your statements that "The definition of producer DOES NOT CHANGE depending on the type of music you're doing!" Of course it does...and I think you know that, that's why YOU said, again, "a lot of people (especially in rap) don't really understand what these jobs are and what the people doing them are actually responsible". Even tho it's technically incorrect...we both know that in rap a lot of times the "Beatmaker" gets credited as producer.
#4 - You say "The definition of a "producer" isn't up for negotiation or debate". This is a message board, EVERYTHING is up for negotiation and debate. Thats the point isn't it?
#5 - You said "The role is well-defined and people ignorant of that doesn't change anything". I don't know who you are or what you have done or what qualifies you to call others ignorant for their opinions...but I'm far from ignorant homeboy. Again, what I said is 100% TRUE, even if you don't like it or agree with it...In rap, especially Indie rap, the beatmaker often gets credit as producer. It's a "scandal" when Dre gets production credit for a beat that Daz or Scott Storch made because usually "In Rap" the beatmaker is the "producer". I know it's not technically correct but there is a long history of it in rap.
You quoted the ass end of my post, taking it out of context. Both the first half and second half of my post are accurate.