A letter from Anerae Brown regarding his religious beliefs...
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God speaks to people what they want to hear. I've been "prophesied" to 3 times by 3 seperate, unrelated people that I will "become a great preacher". One bitch had tears in her eyes and felt compelled to walk to the front of the church and stop the service.
Do I believe it one bit? Fuck no. Actually it seems sort of sad to me now that I look back.
I've been involved with many different Christians of different races, congregations, and beliefs, and the common thread is that they all believed that God had "laid certain things on their heart" or "impressed upon them certain things", and guess what, it's ALWAYS shit the person already believes.
You as an example. You believe God gave you a premonition or a warning before 9/11 happened, that America was to be attacked and global elites and / or pagans, lizards, fallen angels, etc. would be behind it. But haven't you been preaching that global elites will spell the downfall of America and the world since you came? Wasn't that something you already believed?
Yet you sincerely believe to have heard the voice of God. This is not new to me, or many people disillusioned with Christians. You will inevitably say that THEY were all phonies and only YOU were truly in touch, invalidating whatever the "other" sheep christians said, but in many of their minds, you are being misled. It's a circular rubix code that can never be resolved, and it will continue this way for as long as people believe in Christianity.
Do I believe it one bit? Fuck no. Actually it seems sort of sad to me now that I look back.
I've been involved with many different Christians of different races, congregations, and beliefs, and the common thread is that they all believed that God had "laid certain things on their heart" or "impressed upon them certain things", and guess what, it's ALWAYS shit the person already believes.
You as an example. You believe God gave you a premonition or a warning before 9/11 happened, that America was to be attacked and global elites and / or pagans, lizards, fallen angels, etc. would be behind it. But haven't you been preaching that global elites will spell the downfall of America and the world since you came? Wasn't that something you already believed?
Yet you sincerely believe to have heard the voice of God. This is not new to me, or many people disillusioned with Christians. You will inevitably say that THEY were all phonies and only YOU were truly in touch, invalidating whatever the "other" sheep christians said, but in many of their minds, you are being misled. It's a circular rubix code that can never be resolved, and it will continue this way for as long as people believe in Christianity.
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Believing that the demigod or angel exists does not constitute theism. Belief IN the demigod or angel DOES constitute theism.
That depends on what religion or culture a person is from. A "god" does not have to be a supreme being. A "god" does not have to be a "supreme being" in order to be worshipped. Again, I cite the ancient egyptians and their belief in many "gods". You have the cult of Isis who were devoted to her and worshipped her, yet she was not the supreme god in in heirarchy.
On, the surface, yes a god can be a living entity with some amount of power. A god does not have to be living. You can worship a car or money, and that is your god. Am, I talking about you bowing down to the car and praising its tailpipe? No, but you can become so involved in it that it takes precedent over everything in your life.
If they worship the aliens they are theists (btw some people actually do this.) I think where the problem lies is some of you are still not grasping the difference of "believe in" or "belief in", so I'll do a simple clarification.
Believe in/Belief in may be one of two things. It may be you believe something exists, OR it may be you believe in something as in you WORSHIP it. I believe in devils and demons. I believe they EXIST. That does NOT make me a theist because I do not WORSHIP devils and demons. I believe IN God. I believe God exists, and I WORSHIP God. Therefore, since I worship God and believe God exists I am a theist.
If I believe that Sai Baba exists and I devote myself to Sai Baba I am a theist. If I have no devotion to Sai Baba, but I believe he exists I am not a theist.
No, the definition is very simple, and theism and devotion go hand in hand.
If one WORSHIPS that god or goddess one is a theist. If one does NOT worship the god or goddess, one is not a theist but simply has a belief that these gods or goddesses EXIST.
Again, how does this helping anyone here? I cannot rationally accept reincarnation when it goes against the bible 100%, but do you see me making an issue of it? No. Why, because it does not matter. While I am not taking away from your discussions with others, I am saying they have no weight or value here. I can say I spoke with the pope over the phone but does that make me a catholic? No.
No, this is what you believe or what your religion promotes. One does not have to have a belief in "the Supreme Absolute Truth" to be a theist. As, I have shown before, the egyptians where theists, and many of the theists did NOT worship the Supreme Absolute Truth.
Do they WORSHIP the supreme intelligence or do they simply believe it exists? If they simply believe it exists, I would not call them a theist. I would call them agnostic, but depending on how deeply they believed, they could even be considered gnostic. Now, if the person worshipped this supreme intelligence, I would call that person a theist.
No, they would NOT have belief in a "Supreme Absolute Truth", and they would not be a theist because they do not WORSHIP the supreme intelligence as the Supreme Absolute Truth (with personality etc.)
I agree, but I simply posted it so we can have something to go on. What I am saying that a theist is someone who WORSHIPS a god, and is not sim[ly a person who believes god exists.
You would be a theist if you worshipped him.
Maybe I need to clarify something I said earlier (if so go ahead and quote me so I can address it), or maybe you just don't get it. What I high lighted in bold is EXACTLY WHAT I AM SAYING. Just because the being exists or a person believes the being exist that does not mean the person is a theist. I am saying a person is a theist when they worship and show devotion (devotion in regards to religious ceremonies, rites, customs, etc) to the deity.
And you would be wrong because I do not worship my mother, nor do I show devotion to her in the form of religious activity. If anyone attaches god or goddess to a being and they WORSHIP that being that person is a theist. Are they worshipping the correct thing? No, does it go on? Yes.
No, God does not need to be defined as such, because you have people who do not believe in a Supreme Being, yet they worship the beings, and atheist believe that the beings they worship do not exist. An athiest does not believe that gods or goddesses exist, and an athiest does not have belief in a god or goddess. One can use a general term (such as god or goddess) and it is still applicable. At the end of the day, an athiest WON'T believe it exists, nor will an atheist worship it.
If I believe my mom is a goddess and I worship her I am a theist. If I believe in bob smith and worship him I am a theist. If I believe the devil is god and I worship him I am a theist. In EACH case I am WRONG (because I should be worshipping God Almighty), but I am still a theist. Why? Because I believe they exist AND I worship them.
This is your personal opinion, and since theism and philosophy are not exclusive to each other, you cannot say for a FACT that theism, as it should be understood, constitutes a philisophical concept in regards to a SOLE supreme being.
What you find necessary (or unecessary) in a convo makes no difference to me, bro.
Here is an easy distinction; Theism: worship and devotion to a god or gods.
Belief that bob smith is a god does not mean you are a theist.
But if you were WORSHIPPING bob smith what would you be considering him as?
And this does not make you a theist.
Actually, it is not because people do NOT understand this.
Only ONE God exists, I am not him. I am an extension of him. I am in him and he is in me, but I am NOT him. I can NEVER be him. I will NEVER be him. I am NOT greater than the creator. A vase or pot is not greater than the hands that molded it from clay.
Belief in the universe would not make you a theist. Worship of the universe WOULD make you a theist (and some people DO worship the universe.)
They can be considered as such.
(emphasis mine)
Everyone take note. This is ALL x-raided had to do when he made his comments about "christians" and what they believed in. He did NOT have to make a paragraph, he did NOT have to write a novel.
But the problem comes from people who believe trinitarians worship three gods, and another problem comes from people who believe God exist in ONE capacity but changed it three different times.
God can manifest himself in whatever form he wishes. He can manifest himself in the form of a creature called a humilfugido (whatever that is) or he can manifest himself as bob smith. I can't place limits like that on God, and I wouldn't try to.
I agree with this 100%
No, they are polytheist since they believe in and worship several gods.
Your reasoning is not valid, because you're simply saying if one believes in an absolute truth one is a theist. I am saying a theist is someone who WORSHIPS the god or goddess (and because they worship them it is only natrual to believe they exist.)
WRONG! Because "christians" do not WORSHIP the angels. They worship GOD. I'll show you how you are not paying attention to what I am typing,
Pay attention to what I have previously said:
Take out each word in bold and replace it with angels. This is what you get when you do so:
Belief that the angels exist is simply believing that beings with some type of power in the universe exist. Most christians believe angels exists. Do they believe IN angels meaning they WORSHIP angels or are devoted to angels? No. They have a belief in God.
With that being said how is my reasoning implying that christians are polythiest for believing angels exist? Here is more proof that you don't understand what I am typing:
and this is taken from page 2 (it is a response to comrade 206)
With that being said think about what I am saying before you actually respond to it, because I just proved that you are misinterprenting what I have typed (although I have made it as clear as day.)
But when one worships angels (which is forbidden) one has become a theist (or polytheist depending on how many were worshipped.)
Believing that the demigod or angel exists does not constitute theism. Belief IN the demigod or angel DOES constitute theism.
That depends on what religion or culture a person is from. A "god" does not have to be a supreme being. A "god" does not have to be a "supreme being" in order to be worshipped. Again, I cite the ancient egyptians and their belief in many "gods". You have the cult of Isis who were devoted to her and worshipped her, yet she was not the supreme god in in heirarchy.
On, the surface, yes a god can be a living entity with some amount of power. A god does not have to be living. You can worship a car or money, and that is your god. Am, I talking about you bowing down to the car and praising its tailpipe? No, but you can become so involved in it that it takes precedent over everything in your life.
If they worship the aliens they are theists (btw some people actually do this.) I think where the problem lies is some of you are still not grasping the difference of "believe in" or "belief in", so I'll do a simple clarification.
Believe in/Belief in may be one of two things. It may be you believe something exists, OR it may be you believe in something as in you WORSHIP it. I believe in devils and demons. I believe they EXIST. That does NOT make me a theist because I do not WORSHIP devils and demons. I believe IN God. I believe God exists, and I WORSHIP God. Therefore, since I worship God and believe God exists I am a theist.
If I believe that Sai Baba exists and I devote myself to Sai Baba I am a theist. If I have no devotion to Sai Baba, but I believe he exists I am not a theist.
No, the definition is very simple, and theism and devotion go hand in hand.
If one WORSHIPS that god or goddess one is a theist. If one does NOT worship the god or goddess, one is not a theist but simply has a belief that these gods or goddesses EXIST.
Again, how does this helping anyone here? I cannot rationally accept reincarnation when it goes against the bible 100%, but do you see me making an issue of it? No. Why, because it does not matter. While I am not taking away from your discussions with others, I am saying they have no weight or value here. I can say I spoke with the pope over the phone but does that make me a catholic? No.
No, this is what you believe or what your religion promotes. One does not have to have a belief in "the Supreme Absolute Truth" to be a theist. As, I have shown before, the egyptians where theists, and many of the theists did NOT worship the Supreme Absolute Truth.
Do they WORSHIP the supreme intelligence or do they simply believe it exists? If they simply believe it exists, I would not call them a theist. I would call them agnostic, but depending on how deeply they believed, they could even be considered gnostic. Now, if the person worshipped this supreme intelligence, I would call that person a theist.
No, they would NOT have belief in a "Supreme Absolute Truth", and they would not be a theist because they do not WORSHIP the supreme intelligence as the Supreme Absolute Truth (with personality etc.)
I agree, but I simply posted it so we can have something to go on. What I am saying that a theist is someone who WORSHIPS a god, and is not sim[ly a person who believes god exists.
You would be a theist if you worshipped him.
Maybe I need to clarify something I said earlier (if so go ahead and quote me so I can address it), or maybe you just don't get it. What I high lighted in bold is EXACTLY WHAT I AM SAYING. Just because the being exists or a person believes the being exist that does not mean the person is a theist. I am saying a person is a theist when they worship and show devotion (devotion in regards to religious ceremonies, rites, customs, etc) to the deity.
And you would be wrong because I do not worship my mother, nor do I show devotion to her in the form of religious activity. If anyone attaches god or goddess to a being and they WORSHIP that being that person is a theist. Are they worshipping the correct thing? No, does it go on? Yes.
No, God does not need to be defined as such, because you have people who do not believe in a Supreme Being, yet they worship the beings, and atheist believe that the beings they worship do not exist. An athiest does not believe that gods or goddesses exist, and an athiest does not have belief in a god or goddess. One can use a general term (such as god or goddess) and it is still applicable. At the end of the day, an athiest WON'T believe it exists, nor will an atheist worship it.
If I believe my mom is a goddess and I worship her I am a theist. If I believe in bob smith and worship him I am a theist. If I believe the devil is god and I worship him I am a theist. In EACH case I am WRONG (because I should be worshipping God Almighty), but I am still a theist. Why? Because I believe they exist AND I worship them.
This is your personal opinion, and since theism and philosophy are not exclusive to each other, you cannot say for a FACT that theism, as it should be understood, constitutes a philisophical concept in regards to a SOLE supreme being.
What you find necessary (or unecessary) in a convo makes no difference to me, bro.
Here is an easy distinction; Theism: worship and devotion to a god or gods.
Belief that bob smith is a god does not mean you are a theist.
But if you were WORSHIPPING bob smith what would you be considering him as?
And this does not make you a theist.
Actually, it is not because people do NOT understand this.
Only ONE God exists, I am not him. I am an extension of him. I am in him and he is in me, but I am NOT him. I can NEVER be him. I will NEVER be him. I am NOT greater than the creator. A vase or pot is not greater than the hands that molded it from clay.
Belief in the universe would not make you a theist. Worship of the universe WOULD make you a theist (and some people DO worship the universe.)
They can be considered as such.
(emphasis mine)
Everyone take note. This is ALL x-raided had to do when he made his comments about "christians" and what they believed in. He did NOT have to make a paragraph, he did NOT have to write a novel.
But the problem comes from people who believe trinitarians worship three gods, and another problem comes from people who believe God exist in ONE capacity but changed it three different times.
God can manifest himself in whatever form he wishes. He can manifest himself in the form of a creature called a humilfugido (whatever that is) or he can manifest himself as bob smith. I can't place limits like that on God, and I wouldn't try to.
I agree with this 100%
No, they are polytheist since they believe in and worship several gods.
Your reasoning is not valid, because you're simply saying if one believes in an absolute truth one is a theist. I am saying a theist is someone who WORSHIPS the god or goddess (and because they worship them it is only natrual to believe they exist.)
WRONG! Because "christians" do not WORSHIP the angels. They worship GOD. I'll show you how you are not paying attention to what I am typing,
Pay attention to what I have previously said:
Take out each word in bold and replace it with angels. This is what you get when you do so:
Belief that the angels exist is simply believing that beings with some type of power in the universe exist. Most christians believe angels exists. Do they believe IN angels meaning they WORSHIP angels or are devoted to angels? No. They have a belief in God.
With that being said how is my reasoning implying that christians are polythiest for believing angels exist? Here is more proof that you don't understand what I am typing:
and this is taken from page 2 (it is a response to comrade 206)
With that being said think about what I am saying before you actually respond to it, because I just proved that you are misinterprenting what I have typed (although I have made it as clear as day.)
But when one worships angels (which is forbidden) one has become a theist (or polytheist depending on how many were worshipped.)
@WD
At first I laughed at that because it reminds me of something Walt would say, but in reality it is no laughing matter. Homie, people need to actually STOP saying "THUS SAITH THE LORD" unless they have truly heard from God. Telling you you'll be a great preacher (which could actually happen) could be from God. It could be from the devil. What YOU need to do is actually seek God yourself and see if that is his purpose for you.
Because you don't believe it does that make it not true? No. Does that mean the possibility is not present? No. Why? Because you don't know what tommorow holds, and this could be a test of your faith.
But this contradicts what you said about the three people who told that you would become a great preacher. Homie listen. It is a BIG DIFFERENCE between me saying "God laid somethign on my heart" and saying "GOD HIMSELF SPOKE TO ME AND HE SAID....."
If a person makes the second claim that person is either NUTS, a LIAR or a person bearing the TRUTH.
Why do you have to be sarcastic? When do you people realize that I will give you the benefit of the doubt and not butcher you if you simply leave me alone and leave the funny guy stuff at the door? Just be real with me, kick back and say what you have to say. Did I ever tell you anything about lizards? I did not say God gave me a premonition or warning before 9-11 happened. I SAID GOD HIMSELF SAID IT WOULD HAPPENED. I SAID GOD HIMSELF SAID FROM THAT ATTACK WOULD COME A WAR AND FROM THAT WAR WORLD WAR 3. I SAID HE SAID WITHIN TEH NEXT 4 YEARS THE NWO WILL BE FULLY ESTABLISHED.
America got hit. We fought a war on terrorism, it is leading us to a larger war, and the NWO has been FULLY implemented. They have taken CONTROL over everything they have needed to taken control over, they have signed the paperwork eliminating soverignty in the united states (this was done a couple of months ago), and there is no way you can fight back.
Actually, NO!!!! BTW, someone asked me that before. When I FIRST came here, I used to SPAM each and EVERY forum with links to my music and offers for engineering services. THAT is what I did when I first came here. Did it last long? No, I was probably here for two weeks to a month before I gave that message.
Belief that the NWO would take over? Yes. Believe that america would attack itself, blame it on someone else, start crazy wars and get a lot of people killed? No.
No, and you have NEVER saw me saying or claiming that I am the only person who talks to God. What you WILL see me saying is that YOU NEED TO ASK GOD YOURSELF or YOU NEED TO TALK TO GOD YOURSELF. Again, you will NEVER see me claiming I am the only one and I need to tell you some reasons why:
1. I do not know what God is doing with other people.
2. That type of attitude is an ELITIST attitude.
3. I would be blaspheming the power of the Holy Spirit and God IF I did say God only spoke to me.
You will ALWAYS see me saying to talk to god for yourself and to read for yourself. You will ALWAYS see me saying allow God to teach you instead of man. However, what I WILL say is that a tree is known by the fruit that it bears, that you are to try all spirits to see if they are from God, and that a Prophet or person sent by God will preach three simple things. W.R.J. this is a FACT that cannot be disputed. You take ALL the prophets in the bible and you look at the message of each one and it was W.R.J.
This is what I was sent with, and this is what I will smite the church with when I am finished with a certain prince.
If nothing happened and america was never hit I would be the biggest laughing stock on this site. I would probably still be saying "wait a lil bit longer", but the fact is I said GOD HIMSELF said something, and it came to past. Now, whether you believe God told me, or if you believe it is a coincidence is of no concern to me personally. I am simply one who was sent to a do a job. Why I had to post that message on this board is UNKNOWN to me. Maybe it has something to do with my mission (which is a calling not some act of terrorism or violence) or maybe someone else is going to pick up where I left off. I don't know.
I can not invalidate what they say. Only God can, and God validated what I said was going to happen because I said that HE said it and he is TRUE to his word.
The rubix cube puzzle happens in ALL religions. Blow yourself up and get a virgin? Don't get married? Have a caste system and treat people like garbage? NONE of the things you listed are exclusive to christianity, but let me ask a couple of rhetorical question (please do NOT post your answer.)
If God exists and I am lying about EVERYTHING I said, do you believe I will be in hot water when I answer for it? Do you believe the average joe like me WANTS to be a WATCHMEN? In the bible a watchmen is a person who rings the bell when the enemy comes. If the person see's the enemy and does not ring the bell, the blood of those who died is on the hands of the watchmen.
At first I laughed at that because it reminds me of something Walt would say, but in reality it is no laughing matter. Homie, people need to actually STOP saying "THUS SAITH THE LORD" unless they have truly heard from God. Telling you you'll be a great preacher (which could actually happen) could be from God. It could be from the devil. What YOU need to do is actually seek God yourself and see if that is his purpose for you.
Because you don't believe it does that make it not true? No. Does that mean the possibility is not present? No. Why? Because you don't know what tommorow holds, and this could be a test of your faith.
But this contradicts what you said about the three people who told that you would become a great preacher. Homie listen. It is a BIG DIFFERENCE between me saying "God laid somethign on my heart" and saying "GOD HIMSELF SPOKE TO ME AND HE SAID....."
If a person makes the second claim that person is either NUTS, a LIAR or a person bearing the TRUTH.
Why do you have to be sarcastic? When do you people realize that I will give you the benefit of the doubt and not butcher you if you simply leave me alone and leave the funny guy stuff at the door? Just be real with me, kick back and say what you have to say. Did I ever tell you anything about lizards? I did not say God gave me a premonition or warning before 9-11 happened. I SAID GOD HIMSELF SAID IT WOULD HAPPENED. I SAID GOD HIMSELF SAID FROM THAT ATTACK WOULD COME A WAR AND FROM THAT WAR WORLD WAR 3. I SAID HE SAID WITHIN TEH NEXT 4 YEARS THE NWO WILL BE FULLY ESTABLISHED.
America got hit. We fought a war on terrorism, it is leading us to a larger war, and the NWO has been FULLY implemented. They have taken CONTROL over everything they have needed to taken control over, they have signed the paperwork eliminating soverignty in the united states (this was done a couple of months ago), and there is no way you can fight back.
Actually, NO!!!! BTW, someone asked me that before. When I FIRST came here, I used to SPAM each and EVERY forum with links to my music and offers for engineering services. THAT is what I did when I first came here. Did it last long? No, I was probably here for two weeks to a month before I gave that message.
Belief that the NWO would take over? Yes. Believe that america would attack itself, blame it on someone else, start crazy wars and get a lot of people killed? No.
No, and you have NEVER saw me saying or claiming that I am the only person who talks to God. What you WILL see me saying is that YOU NEED TO ASK GOD YOURSELF or YOU NEED TO TALK TO GOD YOURSELF. Again, you will NEVER see me claiming I am the only one and I need to tell you some reasons why:
1. I do not know what God is doing with other people.
2. That type of attitude is an ELITIST attitude.
3. I would be blaspheming the power of the Holy Spirit and God IF I did say God only spoke to me.
You will ALWAYS see me saying to talk to god for yourself and to read for yourself. You will ALWAYS see me saying allow God to teach you instead of man. However, what I WILL say is that a tree is known by the fruit that it bears, that you are to try all spirits to see if they are from God, and that a Prophet or person sent by God will preach three simple things. W.R.J. this is a FACT that cannot be disputed. You take ALL the prophets in the bible and you look at the message of each one and it was W.R.J.
This is what I was sent with, and this is what I will smite the church with when I am finished with a certain prince.
If nothing happened and america was never hit I would be the biggest laughing stock on this site. I would probably still be saying "wait a lil bit longer", but the fact is I said GOD HIMSELF said something, and it came to past. Now, whether you believe God told me, or if you believe it is a coincidence is of no concern to me personally. I am simply one who was sent to a do a job. Why I had to post that message on this board is UNKNOWN to me. Maybe it has something to do with my mission (which is a calling not some act of terrorism or violence) or maybe someone else is going to pick up where I left off. I don't know.
I can not invalidate what they say. Only God can, and God validated what I said was going to happen because I said that HE said it and he is TRUE to his word.
The rubix cube puzzle happens in ALL religions. Blow yourself up and get a virgin? Don't get married? Have a caste system and treat people like garbage? NONE of the things you listed are exclusive to christianity, but let me ask a couple of rhetorical question (please do NOT post your answer.)
If God exists and I am lying about EVERYTHING I said, do you believe I will be in hot water when I answer for it? Do you believe the average joe like me WANTS to be a WATCHMEN? In the bible a watchmen is a person who rings the bell when the enemy comes. If the person see's the enemy and does not ring the bell, the blood of those who died is on the hands of the watchmen.
The candy christian strikes again. Unable to defend his position and answer questions he bows out of the thread. How pathetic. Someone questions you and your belief system and you are SLOW to defend it, yet someone else can make a mockery of what you profess to believe in and not only do you agree with them; YOU STAND UP FOR THEM.
I am not taking little shots at you. You made it what it is by coming out of left field and typing witty and sarcastic remarks. Pal, I am simply playing by your rules of engagement, and if you don't like me doing so you can do one of two things. Don't get in my business and don't reply to me in a sarcastic funny guy/"I'm pulling :H:'s card" type of fashion.
Again, I am not saying all people NEED to get a "you're going to hell message" all the time, BUT what did the prophets preach and what did Jesus preach? Did he come with a lamb on his shoulder looking like a heroin addict faggy hippy, or did he come as a masher, a person who offended the ruling religious class, and a person who stood up for what was right regardless of what the majority was doing? Truth be told, YOU are the SAME "christian" x-raided is talking about.
Homie, their acts condemn them. Not only is this true, but if I tell them what leads a man to hell, how can I not tell them they are going? If you don't repent and turn from your wicked ways you are going to hell. If you live in sin you are going to hell. If you blaspheme the holy spirit you are in danger of hell fire.
Revelation 21:8 -- But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.
Homie, I didn't make that up. Not only will a person go to hell, but they will be cast in the lake of fire (which IS different from hell.)
I am not taking little shots at you. You made it what it is by coming out of left field and typing witty and sarcastic remarks. Pal, I am simply playing by your rules of engagement, and if you don't like me doing so you can do one of two things. Don't get in my business and don't reply to me in a sarcastic funny guy/"I'm pulling :H:'s card" type of fashion.
Again, I am not saying all people NEED to get a "you're going to hell message" all the time, BUT what did the prophets preach and what did Jesus preach? Did he come with a lamb on his shoulder looking like a heroin addict faggy hippy, or did he come as a masher, a person who offended the ruling religious class, and a person who stood up for what was right regardless of what the majority was doing? Truth be told, YOU are the SAME "christian" x-raided is talking about.
Homie, their acts condemn them. Not only is this true, but if I tell them what leads a man to hell, how can I not tell them they are going? If you don't repent and turn from your wicked ways you are going to hell. If you live in sin you are going to hell. If you blaspheme the holy spirit you are in danger of hell fire.
Revelation 21:8 -- But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.
Homie, I didn't make that up. Not only will a person go to hell, but they will be cast in the lake of fire (which IS different from hell.)
HERESY,
I REALLY DON'T WANT TO gET IN THIS AND I DON'T KNOW WHY YOU JUST ATTEMPTIN' TO gO BAK AND FORTH. BUT......
YOU STRESSED, "And what do you think you're doing by being in agreement with him?"
AgREEIN' WITH HIS ISSUES AND SEEIN' WHY IT IS HE PERCEIVES IT THAT WAY. THAT DON'T MEAN I'M gENERALIZIN'.
THEN YOU STRESSED, "What is it to be a real christian?"
BEIN' A FOLLOWER OF CHRIST AND ADHERIN' TO SCRIPTURE. ACQUIRIN' "ACCURATE" KNOWLEDgE OF HIM AND BELIEVIN' AND HAVIN' FAITH.
THEN YOU STRESSED, "Study REAL christianity."
WHAT IS REAL CHRISTIANITY?
THEN YOU STRESSED, "Go back and look at the history behind the religion and you'll find out what real christianity is."
51ST OF ALL,
CHRISTIANITY IS NOT A RELIgION.
XNDLY,
THE HISTORY BEHIND "CHRISTENDOM"(WHAT YOU LABEL CHRISTIANITY) IS FULL OF HATE, BLOODSHED, AND MUTHA-FUKAS BELIEVIN' IN TRADITIONS.
THEN YOU STRESSED, "If not, you can form your own opinion (which would probably have no validity)"
THANKS FOR MAKIN' ME OUT TO BE AN UNINFORMED IgNORANT BASTARD WHOSE WORDS SHOULDN'T CARRY N-E WEIgHT. ON THE RILLA, I KNOW SOME HISTORYAND ALWAYS WILLIN' TO LEARN.
THEN YOU STRESSED, "or you can simply follow what the next believes is correct."
I ALWAYS QUESTION EVERYTHANg. IF THAT WAS THE CASE I WOULD OF BEEN YOUR FIRST DISCIPLE, OR SOMEBODY'S FOLLOWER.
THEN YOU STRESSED, "How do you know that the world and everybody in it has a perception and makes generalizations of what it is?"
I'M POINTIN' OUT THE OBVIOUS. JUST AS THE WORD CHRISTIAN EXISTS, I'M PRETTY SURE EVERYBODY HEARD IT AND HAS A THOUgHT ABOUT IT(UNLESS THEY NEVA HEARD THAT WORD AND HAVE NO THOUgHTS ABOUT IT).
THEN YOU STRESSED, "Here it is I am saying that he should NOT make generalizations, and he should be specific because christianity is comprised of a gang of different sects with different beliefs."
TRUE. BUT IN HIS MIND HE FIgURES IT'S ALL THE SAME AND IS TIRED OF THAT. HIS SPIRIT IS SEEKIN' TRUTH. AND HE FEELS THIS WAY. WHAT HE IS ACTUALLY TALKIN' BOUT IS CHRISTENDOM, BUT KNOWS IT AS CHRISTIANITY AND LABELS IT AS SUCH.
THEN YOU STRESSED, "EDJ, I can probably dig up over 100 posts you've made about people making generalizations about you, your background, your religious beliefs etc."
CORRECT.
THEN YOU STRESSED, "Why are you all of a sudden condoning it and making an excuse for it?"
I'M NOT. I'M IN AgREEMENT WITH ANAREA'S ISSUES.
I REALLY DON'T WANT TO gET IN THIS AND I DON'T KNOW WHY YOU JUST ATTEMPTIN' TO gO BAK AND FORTH. BUT......
YOU STRESSED, "And what do you think you're doing by being in agreement with him?"
AgREEIN' WITH HIS ISSUES AND SEEIN' WHY IT IS HE PERCEIVES IT THAT WAY. THAT DON'T MEAN I'M gENERALIZIN'.
THEN YOU STRESSED, "What is it to be a real christian?"
BEIN' A FOLLOWER OF CHRIST AND ADHERIN' TO SCRIPTURE. ACQUIRIN' "ACCURATE" KNOWLEDgE OF HIM AND BELIEVIN' AND HAVIN' FAITH.
THEN YOU STRESSED, "Study REAL christianity."
WHAT IS REAL CHRISTIANITY?
THEN YOU STRESSED, "Go back and look at the history behind the religion and you'll find out what real christianity is."
51ST OF ALL,
CHRISTIANITY IS NOT A RELIgION.
XNDLY,
THE HISTORY BEHIND "CHRISTENDOM"(WHAT YOU LABEL CHRISTIANITY) IS FULL OF HATE, BLOODSHED, AND MUTHA-FUKAS BELIEVIN' IN TRADITIONS.
THEN YOU STRESSED, "If not, you can form your own opinion (which would probably have no validity)"
THANKS FOR MAKIN' ME OUT TO BE AN UNINFORMED IgNORANT BASTARD WHOSE WORDS SHOULDN'T CARRY N-E WEIgHT. ON THE RILLA, I KNOW SOME HISTORYAND ALWAYS WILLIN' TO LEARN.
THEN YOU STRESSED, "or you can simply follow what the next believes is correct."
I ALWAYS QUESTION EVERYTHANg. IF THAT WAS THE CASE I WOULD OF BEEN YOUR FIRST DISCIPLE, OR SOMEBODY'S FOLLOWER.
THEN YOU STRESSED, "How do you know that the world and everybody in it has a perception and makes generalizations of what it is?"
I'M POINTIN' OUT THE OBVIOUS. JUST AS THE WORD CHRISTIAN EXISTS, I'M PRETTY SURE EVERYBODY HEARD IT AND HAS A THOUgHT ABOUT IT(UNLESS THEY NEVA HEARD THAT WORD AND HAVE NO THOUgHTS ABOUT IT).
THEN YOU STRESSED, "Here it is I am saying that he should NOT make generalizations, and he should be specific because christianity is comprised of a gang of different sects with different beliefs."
TRUE. BUT IN HIS MIND HE FIgURES IT'S ALL THE SAME AND IS TIRED OF THAT. HIS SPIRIT IS SEEKIN' TRUTH. AND HE FEELS THIS WAY. WHAT HE IS ACTUALLY TALKIN' BOUT IS CHRISTENDOM, BUT KNOWS IT AS CHRISTIANITY AND LABELS IT AS SUCH.
THEN YOU STRESSED, "EDJ, I can probably dig up over 100 posts you've made about people making generalizations about you, your background, your religious beliefs etc."
CORRECT.
THEN YOU STRESSED, "Why are you all of a sudden condoning it and making an excuse for it?"
I'M NOT. I'M IN AgREEMENT WITH ANAREA'S ISSUES.
Lost another one to ditech!
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The gist of what I said was I hear where you're coming from, and you gotta see that it's very easy to generalize after having so many bad experiences with Christians.
And as far as the sarcasm, I honestly wasn't sure if you believed in any of those concepts, the draconian thing or the fallen angels thing, so I didn't want to exclude your beliefs.
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The gist of what I said was I hear where you're coming from, and you gotta see that it's very easy to generalize after having so many bad experiences with Christians.
And as far as the sarcasm, I honestly wasn't sure if you believed in any of those concepts, the draconian thing or the fallen angels thing, so I didn't want to exclude your beliefs.
Heresy,
The definition of theism that you cited from dictionary.com states, "Belief in the existence of a god or gods."
You are saying theism must constitute devotion, but I don't know where you are getting this. I know plenty of theists who understand annd accept God from a philosophical viewpoint but are not yet at the stage of devotion. We can say that this is a neophyte stage of theism, but to say that it is atheism or agnosticism would be completely wrong.
The definition of theism that you cited from dictionary.com states, "Belief in the existence of a god or gods."
You are saying theism must constitute devotion, but I don't know where you are getting this. I know plenty of theists who understand annd accept God from a philosophical viewpoint but are not yet at the stage of devotion. We can say that this is a neophyte stage of theism, but to say that it is atheism or agnosticism would be completely wrong.
Also, if we accept that devotion is necessarily part of what constitutes theism then who isn't a theist? Perhaps the comatose? Everyone has some sense of devotion toward someone or something. Everyone acts in the capacity of rendering service. It is unavoidable. So even with your definition a distinction needs to be made between theism and atheism.
It does. The man made genralizations pertaining to what a certain "religion" believes and you agreed with it. You didn't remain silent, you didn't oppose him, you openly agreed with him. Are you in agreement with his issues? According to you that is the case, and since he has issues with the "christians" and claims christians worship a trinity you are guilty of the same thing he is.
Do you consider J.W.'s as a christian sect or christian?
Yet, X-raided's comments have LITTLE to do with what you just posted. X-raided is not condeming the so-called christians for not adhering to scripture or for acquiring so-called "accurate" knowledge. X-raided is condemning the ntire christian religion because someone with a faulty idea of christianity condemned him.
How many times do I have to tell you to go pick up a greek lexicon, strongs concordence and READ? It gets OLD EDJ. When I tell you things it is OBVIOUS that YOU do NOT go and read it, so why WOULD I tell you what real christianity is? Go and pick up a couple of books pertaining to the history of christianity and do a bit of research on the religion. After that, come back here, write a thesis, and explain your findings to the rest of the board.
What is it? A personal relationship with God? If so, why are you condoning X-raided and his views on christianity, because it is OBVIOUS that he does NOT have knowledge of everymans relationship with God.
Can you please post a definition of the word religion for us?
No, you are misinformed, and your comment is proof that you should probably stop talking about this subject. First of all, it is not what I label as christianity, because you will often see me talking about two forms of christianity and making a distinction; one real and one PAGAN. Does "christiandom" have hate, bloodshed, and people believin traditions? Sure it does. Do crips in denver from H street have a history of hate, blood shed and people believin in traditions? With that being said, learn about the HISTORY of the CHRISTIANS and you will see they were a small group of people who were HATED, REJECTED, and OSTRACISZED because of their beliefs (which were NOT based on traditions.)
You are making yourself out to be that don't point the finger at me. However, I WILL rebuke ANYONE who I am directed to rebuke, and it makes no difference who the person is or what they claim to believe in.
Yet you are sitting here claiming christianity is not a religion and that christiandom is hate, bloodshed and people believing in traditions.
I don't have disciples. I never had one, don't need one, and NEVER will need one. As far as being someones follower you are a follower EDJ, and you will still be a follower until you come to grips with who you really are.
This makes no sense at all.
Yet, you are in agreement with him.
And, that is a DANGEROUS thing to assume/figure. Stop making excuses for the man. Would it be right to say "all muslims are terrorists and all muslims endorse suicide bombings"? NO!!!!!! Why? Because it is a FACT that not all muslims are terrorists and it is a FACT that MANY muslims do NOT endorse suicide bombings. Now, if he figures it is all the same shouldn't someone inform him that it is NOT all the same?
If you answer yes, and you agree that someone should say something, why did you openly agree with him and not make any mention of the differences?
If you answer no, and you disagree and believe no one should say anything, why would you want to see your fellow man continue down a path of misinformation?
No, one said this was not the case, but SOMEONE needs to inform this man that he needs to get it right before he goes clumping a group of people together claiming they worship or believe certain things.
EDJ, you are the POSTER BOY, when it comes to telling people they should not label. Again, I can dig up over 100 posts of you saying people shouldn't do it, yet you are in AGREEMENT with this mans label. So let us say he is talking about "christiandom". What does the bible say about the people who kill in the name of God and Yeshua?
Yet you are condonning this mans actions.
And he has issues with "christianity", has made an attack on the christian people and has made generalizations (which you yourself agree should not happen.)
Do you consider J.W.'s as a christian sect or christian?
Yet, X-raided's comments have LITTLE to do with what you just posted. X-raided is not condeming the so-called christians for not adhering to scripture or for acquiring so-called "accurate" knowledge. X-raided is condemning the ntire christian religion because someone with a faulty idea of christianity condemned him.
How many times do I have to tell you to go pick up a greek lexicon, strongs concordence and READ? It gets OLD EDJ. When I tell you things it is OBVIOUS that YOU do NOT go and read it, so why WOULD I tell you what real christianity is? Go and pick up a couple of books pertaining to the history of christianity and do a bit of research on the religion. After that, come back here, write a thesis, and explain your findings to the rest of the board.
What is it? A personal relationship with God? If so, why are you condoning X-raided and his views on christianity, because it is OBVIOUS that he does NOT have knowledge of everymans relationship with God.
Can you please post a definition of the word religion for us?
No, you are misinformed, and your comment is proof that you should probably stop talking about this subject. First of all, it is not what I label as christianity, because you will often see me talking about two forms of christianity and making a distinction; one real and one PAGAN. Does "christiandom" have hate, bloodshed, and people believin traditions? Sure it does. Do crips in denver from H street have a history of hate, blood shed and people believin in traditions? With that being said, learn about the HISTORY of the CHRISTIANS and you will see they were a small group of people who were HATED, REJECTED, and OSTRACISZED because of their beliefs (which were NOT based on traditions.)
You are making yourself out to be that don't point the finger at me. However, I WILL rebuke ANYONE who I am directed to rebuke, and it makes no difference who the person is or what they claim to believe in.
Yet you are sitting here claiming christianity is not a religion and that christiandom is hate, bloodshed and people believing in traditions.
I don't have disciples. I never had one, don't need one, and NEVER will need one. As far as being someones follower you are a follower EDJ, and you will still be a follower until you come to grips with who you really are.
This makes no sense at all.
Yet, you are in agreement with him.
And, that is a DANGEROUS thing to assume/figure. Stop making excuses for the man. Would it be right to say "all muslims are terrorists and all muslims endorse suicide bombings"? NO!!!!!! Why? Because it is a FACT that not all muslims are terrorists and it is a FACT that MANY muslims do NOT endorse suicide bombings. Now, if he figures it is all the same shouldn't someone inform him that it is NOT all the same?
If you answer yes, and you agree that someone should say something, why did you openly agree with him and not make any mention of the differences?
If you answer no, and you disagree and believe no one should say anything, why would you want to see your fellow man continue down a path of misinformation?
No, one said this was not the case, but SOMEONE needs to inform this man that he needs to get it right before he goes clumping a group of people together claiming they worship or believe certain things.
EDJ, you are the POSTER BOY, when it comes to telling people they should not label. Again, I can dig up over 100 posts of you saying people shouldn't do it, yet you are in AGREEMENT with this mans label. So let us say he is talking about "christiandom". What does the bible say about the people who kill in the name of God and Yeshua?
Yet you are condonning this mans actions.
And he has issues with "christianity", has made an attack on the christian people and has made generalizations (which you yourself agree should not happen.)
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And this was so we could have something to go on. My definition of theism is NOT the same as from the weblink.
Because the simple belief that a god or gods exist does not mean one is a theist. An atheist may be one of two things; A person who does NOT believe that gods or a god exists OR a person who has no belief IN a god or gods meaning they don't WORSHIP any god or gods.
(emphasis mine)
Atheism is not simply a philosophical viewpoint and neither is theism. The people you mentioned are classified as "theist", and they could be considered theists because of the "Belief in the existence of a god or gods" (that is if we use the textbook definition.)
When they act on the belief they will be a theist, otherwise they would contradict what you yourself have said which was, "Both of these entities have some amount of power within the universe. Belief in either of them does not constitute theism."
Simply believing in a supreme god does not make you a theist, just like believing in angels does not make you a theist. Maybe, for the sake of argument we can say it makes you a weak theist (like a weak athiest), but if you look at people who are mono/polytheist they have TWO things; a belief OF the deity (which means they believe it exists) and a belief IN the deity (meaning they worship the deity.)
I would not classify it as atheism, I would classify it as a form of agnostic because they believe that a God does/may exist and they are concerned with the possibility/impossibility of knowledge pertaining to God. I could even classify them as Gnostic (not in the christian sense), but no they would not be atheists.
If the person was a devotee of some god before he or she became comatose that person would still be a theist. If you were a follower of Krshna, got smacked by a truck, became a vegetable and could no longer worship krshna the way you used to does that mean you're not a follower of Krshna? No. It simply means you no longer have the capacity to worship him as you used to.
I'm in the air about that. You have people that seem to be devoted only to themselves, yet in their so called devotion they are not devoted to the true self (spirit person) or even devoted 100% to the carnal man and mind. But. yeah for the most part you could say most people are devoted to something, but devotion does not always mean worship. I am devoted to my craft and I am devoted to school. That does not mean I WORSHIP them.
Rendering service to who or what?
I have already made the distinction several times:
Atheist: 1.) A person who does not believe in the existence of god (s), spirit beings, all powerful entities or God. 2.) A person who lacks the belief IN a god, spirit beings, all powerful entities or God (meaning they do not worship.)
Theist: A person who believes in the existence of god (s), spirit beings, all powerfull entities or God AND due this belief is a worshipper thereof.
And this was so we could have something to go on. My definition of theism is NOT the same as from the weblink.
Because the simple belief that a god or gods exist does not mean one is a theist. An atheist may be one of two things; A person who does NOT believe that gods or a god exists OR a person who has no belief IN a god or gods meaning they don't WORSHIP any god or gods.
(emphasis mine)
Atheism is not simply a philosophical viewpoint and neither is theism. The people you mentioned are classified as "theist", and they could be considered theists because of the "Belief in the existence of a god or gods" (that is if we use the textbook definition.)
When they act on the belief they will be a theist, otherwise they would contradict what you yourself have said which was, "Both of these entities have some amount of power within the universe. Belief in either of them does not constitute theism."
Simply believing in a supreme god does not make you a theist, just like believing in angels does not make you a theist. Maybe, for the sake of argument we can say it makes you a weak theist (like a weak athiest), but if you look at people who are mono/polytheist they have TWO things; a belief OF the deity (which means they believe it exists) and a belief IN the deity (meaning they worship the deity.)
I would not classify it as atheism, I would classify it as a form of agnostic because they believe that a God does/may exist and they are concerned with the possibility/impossibility of knowledge pertaining to God. I could even classify them as Gnostic (not in the christian sense), but no they would not be atheists.
If the person was a devotee of some god before he or she became comatose that person would still be a theist. If you were a follower of Krshna, got smacked by a truck, became a vegetable and could no longer worship krshna the way you used to does that mean you're not a follower of Krshna? No. It simply means you no longer have the capacity to worship him as you used to.
I'm in the air about that. You have people that seem to be devoted only to themselves, yet in their so called devotion they are not devoted to the true self (spirit person) or even devoted 100% to the carnal man and mind. But. yeah for the most part you could say most people are devoted to something, but devotion does not always mean worship. I am devoted to my craft and I am devoted to school. That does not mean I WORSHIP them.
Rendering service to who or what?
I have already made the distinction several times:
Atheist: 1.) A person who does not believe in the existence of god (s), spirit beings, all powerful entities or God. 2.) A person who lacks the belief IN a god, spirit beings, all powerful entities or God (meaning they do not worship.)
Theist: A person who believes in the existence of god (s), spirit beings, all powerfull entities or God AND due this belief is a worshipper thereof.
TWIST IT THEN HERESY. THIS IS WHAT I'M TRYIN' TO AVOID. I'M NOT TRYIN' TO HAVE A DRAWN OUT BAK AND FORTH, TIME-INTENSIVE, DISCUSSION WHICH IS gONNA HAVE US HERE DEVOTIN' OUR PRECIOUS TIME AND AT THE END IT TAKES US BAK TO INTERPRETATION OF SCRIPTURE AND HISTORY.
I'LL LET YOU BAK AND FORTH WITH OTHAS, AND PROBABLY COME BAK TO THIS IF I FEEL LIKE SPENDIN' SOME I-TIME.
I'LL LET YOU BAK AND FORTH WITH OTHAS, AND PROBABLY COME BAK TO THIS IF I FEEL LIKE SPENDIN' SOME I-TIME.
No, thats what YOU are doing.
You can leave the interpretations and the door, deal directly with history, and still be proven wrong. If you do not want to go back and fourth that is FINE, I have no problem with that, but understand I will OPENLY rebuke and oppose ANYONE that is trying to throw all the eggs in one basket.
Please, don't do so in hopes of trying to avoid the questions posed to you. If that is the underlying motive for you not partaking in this thread, I will bring them up again, and hopefully you'll answer them.
You can leave the interpretations and the door, deal directly with history, and still be proven wrong. If you do not want to go back and fourth that is FINE, I have no problem with that, but understand I will OPENLY rebuke and oppose ANYONE that is trying to throw all the eggs in one basket.
Please, don't do so in hopes of trying to avoid the questions posed to you. If that is the underlying motive for you not partaking in this thread, I will bring them up again, and hopefully you'll answer them.
well i notice i never labeled you with things, so lets go ahead and keep this mature, thing is, by telling them what gets you to hell, and what hell is, you are telling them that, just in a different way, just cause i dont come off as judgemental doesnt mean i am "candycoated", i just let scripture do the judging for them instead of me, and i wasnt even talking about sins and things at first, what i was talking about was many christians thinking that their way is right, that if you dont believe their way of things, your going to hell, and some come right out and say so, thats what i was adressing, but you made it somthing else, maybe i didnt explain well in the last post, but if you review it, thats what i was talking about. you know what, ill get it for you "^ well, walking up to a person, and saying "hey, yur gonna be eatin alive by demons, and thrown in fire if you dont worship who i worship" theres the direct quote, and as far as me being the same type of christian as raided was talking about, how would you be able to get that from some posts? just another little shot i guess
@EDJ, the new mix for the beat is finished, but my external drive is not here. I'll dump it as soon as I get the external drive back. The mix with the new takes are not finished because I couldn't get inside my box, but the files are downloading now. Once download, and once I get my drive back, I'll dump them to the other pc, and readjust everything.
Listen, don't throw rocks and expect for people to not drop boulders on your dome. What you're basically saying is "I only pushed you and since I only pushed you, that doesn't give you the right to K.O. me and stomp my teeth down my throat."
Listen, you play with fire and you get burned. Next time come at people like you have some type of sense instead of coming sideways. I am in disagreement with EDJ. Do you see me coming at him the same way I am coming at you? NO. Why? Because you came disrespectful from the gates, and kept implying that "I" wanted him to do ABC for MY benefit.
I am not calling you candy coated because you don't come across as a hell fire and brimestone promoter. I am calling you candy coated because of your posts!
If I come in contact with a known murderer and I tell him, "You are going to hell if you don't repent" how is that being judgmental? The scriptures say he is going to hell. I didn't say it, the scriptures said it. I'm calling a spade a spade, and if you are too weak to call things as they are thats on you.
First of all, did you see my ORIGINAL response to your statement that many christians do this? Please go and read it again. Second of all, do you see a difference bewteen MANY christians who do this and SOME christians who come out and say so, V.S. ALL christians doing it or all christians saying so?
No, I did not make it into something else. I SPECIFICALLY responded to your claim. You said:
Now, can you please quote my response to this statement? I have one on page 4. After you post it wipe the egg from your face, because you've just proven that A.) you don't read and B.) I didn't turn it into anything else.
Now go and quote my response. :dead:
So you speak, so you are. You are a candy coated christian and have no firm beliefs in your dogma, doctrine. Here it is a person is grouping ALL christians together and you are in AGREEMENT with the person. Finally, I'll prove you are the same christian x-raided is talking about.
1. Have you ever read the bible from front to back, start to finish?
2. Have you ever done any research relating to the bible? If so what?
Listen, you play with fire and you get burned. Next time come at people like you have some type of sense instead of coming sideways. I am in disagreement with EDJ. Do you see me coming at him the same way I am coming at you? NO. Why? Because you came disrespectful from the gates, and kept implying that "I" wanted him to do ABC for MY benefit.
I am not calling you candy coated because you don't come across as a hell fire and brimestone promoter. I am calling you candy coated because of your posts!
If I come in contact with a known murderer and I tell him, "You are going to hell if you don't repent" how is that being judgmental? The scriptures say he is going to hell. I didn't say it, the scriptures said it. I'm calling a spade a spade, and if you are too weak to call things as they are thats on you.
First of all, did you see my ORIGINAL response to your statement that many christians do this? Please go and read it again. Second of all, do you see a difference bewteen MANY christians who do this and SOME christians who come out and say so, V.S. ALL christians doing it or all christians saying so?
No, I did not make it into something else. I SPECIFICALLY responded to your claim. You said:
Now, can you please quote my response to this statement? I have one on page 4. After you post it wipe the egg from your face, because you've just proven that A.) you don't read and B.) I didn't turn it into anything else.
Now go and quote my response. :dead:
So you speak, so you are. You are a candy coated christian and have no firm beliefs in your dogma, doctrine. Here it is a person is grouping ALL christians together and you are in AGREEMENT with the person. Finally, I'll prove you are the same christian x-raided is talking about.
1. Have you ever read the bible from front to back, start to finish?
2. Have you ever done any research relating to the bible? If so what?
The Selfish Gene:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selfish_gene
Selfishness is a key role in the survival of a species.
Same within a biblical context, after all God created the Earth and the laws with in it. The human conscious acts as a counter balance to our selfish ways. Kill the conscious and you know the rest....
People will ask well why didn't the Creator just make us all loving beings.
The answer is simple actually, you cannot force one to love you.
Not giving us the choice to love Him would be dictatorship....
That's why I have always said that within a biblical context,
Life is a filtering process.
The worthy will find their way to their Creator,
the unworthy will find darkness....
It's a perfect system....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selfish_gene
Selfishness is a key role in the survival of a species.
Same within a biblical context, after all God created the Earth and the laws with in it. The human conscious acts as a counter balance to our selfish ways. Kill the conscious and you know the rest....
People will ask well why didn't the Creator just make us all loving beings.
The answer is simple actually, you cannot force one to love you.
Not giving us the choice to love Him would be dictatorship....
That's why I have always said that within a biblical context,
Life is a filtering process.
The worthy will find their way to their Creator,
the unworthy will find darkness....
It's a perfect system....
