A letter from Anerae Brown regarding his religious beliefs...

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The stipulation of "worship" is actually quite irrelevent. It may be relevenet to H's Christian views that worship defines one spiritually, but for the purposes of this argument it is meaningless.

It's like, are he sexually active and hve sex, or are you sexually active just because you've had sex. It's a pointless distinction.
 

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Comrade, you said "If you do not worship a diety that is athiesm."
Which is true, however you can also have a religion and not worship a central diety.

The only reason I responded was because of this line. This does not necessarilly mean you're atheist.
If one does not worship a God one is an athiest. Now, can you break it down and place that person in another boat? Sure you can (again refer to those who have religions with no God), but ultimately if you do not worship a diety, nor have a belief in a diety you are an athiest. Taoist can be considered athiests, buddhists, certain agnostics (which would be an agnostic athiest.)

This does not necessarilly mean you're atheist. As I said, you can believe in a diety and not worhsip them.
No, you can have belief that the diety exists, but you cannot have belief IN that diety without worship.

Now before we go any further, perhaps we need to define worship.

Quick definition:
1. a.The reverent love and devotion accorded a deity, an idol, or a sacred object.
b.The ceremonies, prayers, or other religious forms by which this love is expressed.
2.Ardent devotion; adoration.

Under these definitions, is your statement still true?
Yes, my statement is still true and for the reasons I highlighted in bold. If you do not have belief IN the deity you will NOT be devoted to the deity, nor will you express love/devotion for the deity in the form of ceremonies and prayer. Again, look at the ancient egyptians and the patheon of gods in the egyptian religions. You have people who were devoted to ISIS, and they worshipped her (were involved in her cults, rituals etc) and although they may have believed that Anubis existed, they did not WORSHIP him because ISIS was the deity of worship.

See above. Need further clarification on the meaning of worship.
I believe a "BELIEF IN" is a "DEVOTION TO", and a devotion to = Worship (as shown by your definition.)

The stipulation of "worship" is actually quite irrelevent.
No, it is quite relevent, and on what grounds do you claim it is irrelevent? I say it is relevent because this topic IS about worship, AND because athiest do NOT worship a "god" (as shown by both articles/weblinks cited.)

It may be relevenet to H's Christian views that worship defines one spiritually but for the purposes of this argument it is meaningless.
Before I destroy your nonsense, I would like for you to tell me what the purposes of this argument is.

It's like, are he sexually active and hve sex, or are you sexually active just because you've had sex. It's a pointless distinction.
Pointless to you, yet you are responding to it, but who else are you implying it is pointless to? 206? If it is pointless to him he shouldn't be devoting anytime to what I am typing. If it is pointless to others outside of this board, I would like for you to explain to me why the distinction was made by George Smith, Thomas Huxley, or the guy who I linked.
 

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Some people like to have it both ways. They like to make excuses for what they have done, yet they want to please others. Also, these very people want to CONTINUE to live the way they do because they are in fear of attempting to lead a sin free life or devotion to God, so what do they do?

They attempt to formulate some form of "spirituality" and after that they proceed to attack other religions. They give "insight" on religions or attempt to "educate" people, by giving them ear candy and attacking what the people themselves are too afraid to attack.

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Atheism is merely the lack of a belief in a god IF theism means belief in a god. I have discussed this topic on other message boards. In order for theism to be distinguished from atheism, it must be defined as belief in a God that constitutes the Supreme Absolute Truth. Otherwise, belief in a "god" or "gods" is merely the belief in beings with some amount of power in this universe. In this case, I can believe in bob smith down the street who has some amount of power in this universe and, abracadabra, I am a theist. Since this is absurd in that it would make everyone a theist, it must logically be concluded that a theist be defined as someone who believes in a supreme God.
 

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http://dictionary.reference.com/search?r=2&q=theist

Belief in the existence of a god or gods, especially belief in a personal God as creator and ruler of the world.

Atheism is merely the lack of a belief in a god IF theism means belief in a god.
Again, one can lack a belief in a god (meaning they don't worship a "god") or a person can believe God does NOT exist (meaning they do not believe it because they do not have evidence to support the belief.)

I have discussed this topic on other message boards.
I assume that most people partaking in this thread have done the same thing, but what is your point? How is this info going to help any of us?

In order for theism to be distinguished from atheism, it must be defined as belief in a God that constitutes the Supreme Absolute Truth.
No it doesn't. A person can be a polytheist with devotion to several dieties. This person is still a theist because they have a belief IN a god (or gods.)

Otherwise, belief in a "god" or "gods" is merely the belief in beings with some amount of power in this universe
No, belief IN a god requires some type of devotion. Belief that the gods exist is simply believing that beings with some type of power in the universe exist. Most christians believe the Devil exists. Do they believe IN the devil meaning they WORSHIP him or are devoted to him? No. They have a belief in God.

In this case, I can believe in bob smith down the street who has some amount of power in this universe and, abracadabra, I am a theist.
You believe that Bob smith is god and you worship or devote yourself to him you have a belief in him. If you simply believe he has some amount of power you simply believe he has some amount of power.

Since this is absurd in that it would make everyone a theist, it must logically be concluded that a theist be defined as someone who believes in a supreme God.
Again, this is not the case, and I suggest you limit your scope to MONOtheist because you have POLYtheist that worship ONE god as the main deity yet worship other gods as represenation of that same deity or entirely DIFFERENT deities altogether.
 
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honestly, it doesnt matter what an athiest is, or what a satanist is, if you take what the majority thinks when they hear both words, and put them in the context of this letter, he is correct, i doubt you have ever been a semi well known rap artist locked in prison, trying to run a company through middle men and having a wife, plus trying to work on an apeal, next time your in that situation though, how bout you right a letter that touchs on every aspect of christianity, satanism, and atheism. point taken? he only has time to be general, cause making you happy with specifics isnt really towards the top of his priorities, anyways, thats my guess.


anyways, i believe in all this, i myself am a christian, and i agree many christians go about things in a harsh, unfriendly manor, because they attempt to scare people into religion rather than explain the things that can happen as a resault of being a person of faith
 

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honestly, it doesnt matter what an athiest is, or what a satanist is, if you take what the majority thinks when they hear both words, and put them in the context of this letter, he is correct,
So in other words people should continue to remain ignorant and use the incorrect terminology....

i doubt you have ever been a semi well known rap artist locked in prison, trying to run a company through middle men and having a wife, plus trying to work on an apeal, next time your in that situation though, how bout you right a letter that touchs on every aspect of christianity, satanism, and atheism. point taken?
Next time why don't you try to operate a recording studio, mix songs for semi well known rap artists (some of them getting out of prison), unheard of rap artists, take care of a grandmother who had two strokes and a heart attack (all on the same day), juggle a relationship and pursue a criminal justice degree, Point taken? I hope not yet. See, I didn't cause X-raided to be in the place he is in. X-raided caused himself to be in the place he is in (if he is guilty of the crime.) And while I am sympathetic for him (he is a black man that is locked up) he deserves to be locked up if he commited the crime. Also, since he took his precious time to write a lengthy letter, he SHOULD take it upon himself to have all his facts straight, because he IS going to come under scrutiny and people ARE going to reject his claims (which I am doing now.) We have no need for generalizations and people need to be SPECIFIC when they are condemning people or group of religious observers. Failure to handle his responsibility will leave muppets such as yourself fully messmerized and believing every single word he has spoken.

he only has time to be general, cause making you happy with specifics isnt really towards the top of his priorities, anyways, thats my guess.
He doesn't know me, and I don't know him, and instead of me being his priority, his priority should be getting his life back on track instead of relaying messages that get posted on www.siccness.net, but of course this type of logic is beneath you, so I would never expect you to comprehend it.

Again, if you are going to attack someone be specific, because lumping christians all in the same group and claiming they believe in a certain concept is inaccurate and actually does a diservice to his credibility as an intelligent/semi-educated human being. Again, because you are obviously a lemming, I wouldn't expect for you to actually comprehend anything I am trying to convey.

anyways, i believe in all this
I expected NOTHING less of you.

i myself am a christian
What kind of christian? Baptist? Primitive Baptist? Episcopal? Non -denominational/Five fold ministry?

and i agree many christians go about things in a harsh, unfriendly manor
I disagree.

because they attempt to scare people into religion rather than explain the things that can happen as a resault of being a person of faith
So in other words you want people to tickle your ears, make you feel good, and leave all the hell fire and brimestone at the door. I see nothing wrong with teaching both, and the problem with the church right now is it is too weak, passive and rooted in doctrines of men and devils. But, of course I wouldn't consider the possibility of a "christian" such as yourself actually grasping any of this.
 
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^ well, walking up to a person, and saying "hey, yur gonna be eatin alive by demons, and thrown in fire if you dont worship who i worship" isnt exaclty the way to get people interested in what you are trying to give them.it is good to teach both, but the problem is, thats not a way to approach a person who is a no believer, becuase it will turn them away, and you will come across as judgemental, wheather yur speaking truth or otherwise, next, you doing all the things u mentioned u should understand whats going on then, he cant write a letter covering everything just cause you would like him to, next, people should not stay ignorant and what not, thing is, since they dont know, he cant take the time to walk them through it, so that when he explores every aspect you want him to, they will understand, the reason people love men such as this so much, is the majority can relate to his words. next, i look at main points, yur getting caught up in little things in the article, the main points i see are that there are hypocrisies in christianity and catholisism, which i agree with, a big chunck of christians dont read the bible, which is true, ive seen it, he also states many people do not research what is given to them, they go along with christianity, which again i believe is true, plus he says he believes there is a higher power, which i do too, so therfor your statement about u expecting nothing less than me to believe this, was pointless, cause the only thing uve disagreed with so far is the definitions of a couple words, which then makes a couple paragraphs, seem general, anyways, i understand raided got himself in the situation he is, not you, but that is irrelavant to what were debating, cause i never said you did, it doesnt matter what put him there, the fact is, hes there, so he cant take time away to try and please all the readers with a lengthy and very specific letter. and also, i agree many churchs are weak, cause a majority of them are caught up in hypocrisies and such, and they do not research the bible.
 

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HERESY,
YOU STRESSED, "Is what? A generalization?"

gENERALIZIN'. WHAT IS TO BE A REAL CHRISTIAN? AND HOW MANY PEOPLE PROCLAIM TO BE "CHRISTIANS"? SEE, THE WORLD AND EVERYBODY IN IT HAS A PERCEPTION AND MAKE A gENERALIZATION OF WHAT THAT IS.
 

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EDJ said:
HERESY,
YOU STRESSED, "Is what? A generalization?"

gENERALIZIN'. WHAT IS TO BE A REAL CHRISTIAN? AND HOW MANY PEOPLE PROCLAIM TO BE "CHRISTIANS"? SEE, THE WORLD AND EVERYBODY IN IT HAS A PERCEPTION AND MAKE A gENERALIZATION OF WHAT THAT IS.

And what do you think you're doing by being in agreement with him? What is it to be a real christian? Study REAL christianity. Go back and look at the history behind the religion and you'll find out what real christianity is. If not, you can form your own opinion (which would probably have no validity) or you can simply follow what the next believes is correct. How do you know that the world and everybody in it has a perception and makes generalizations of what it is? Here it is I am saying that he should NOT make generalizations, and he should be specific because christianity is comprised of a gang of different sects with different beliefs. EDJ, I can probably dig up over 100 posts you've made about people making generalizations about you, your background, your religious beliefs etc. Why are you all of a sudden condoning it and making an excuse for it?
 

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^ well, walking up to a person, and saying "hey, yur gonna be eatin alive by demons, and thrown in fire if you dont worship who i worship" isnt exaclty the way to get people interested in what you are trying to give them.
First of all, people shouldn't walk up and try to minister to ANYONE unless God has directed them to approach the person. Secondly, if people are doing what you are claiming it is on YOU to ask the person questions to see where they are coming from.

it is good to teach both, but the problem is, thats not a way to approach a person who is a no believer, becuase it will turn them away, and you will come across as judgemental, wheather yur speaking truth or otherwise,
How do you know it is not the way to approach a person who does not believe? Some people HAVE come to God because they received a hell fire and brimestone message. Also, in the bible, Jesus spoke about hell 11 to 13 times for everytime he gave a message on heaven, so who are you to say the tactic is wrong or right?

Second of all, who have YOU ever led to God? If a person is turned away from that message they probably would have turned away from any other message. See, you are exactly the type of person I am talking about. A candy coated "christian" who wants his ears tickled while the world goes to hell in a hand basket. You want to please mans ego and not be offensive, but let me tell you something about being offensive. Yeshua offended the religious community and non-believers of his time, and so did Elijah, Daniel, Ezekial and the rest of the prophets. If a person is offended because of the word of God thats on them, but if you feel a candy coated sermon is going to help the world, you go out and preach a candy coated sermon, but I guarantee you, when the wolves come they will feast on you.


next, you doing all the things u mentioned u should understand whats going on then, he cant write a letter covering everything just cause you would like him to,
Listen, no one is asking him to write a letter covering everything just because I want him to. For one he is doing a DISERVICE to those who believe in God, AND he is doing a diservice to himself by LUMPING an entire group of people into one group and claiming they believe a certain way (when it is obvious that this is not the case.) If he is going to attempt to educate readers and his fans, he should make it a point to be correct and accurate. He should make it a point to be precise, and this does not require a long drawn out essay; it requires a paragraph or LESS.

next, people should not stay ignorant and what not, thing is, since they dont know, he cant take the time to walk them through it
The thing is people WILL stay ignorant if he continues to make generalizations and is not specific in what HE is attempting to teach them. If he can't take the time to be specific and address the people he really has a problem with he shouldn't take his time writing period. If I have a problem with an asian cat am I gonna take it to all asians? NO! I am going to take it to the japanese guy who offended me. See that? Do you see how easy it is for me to narrow it down and to address the person specifically?

so that when he explores every aspect you want him to,
It is not what I want him to, but what critically thinking, logic and basic comprehension demand. Again, he is doing a diservice to his fans (you obviously being one of them) by making hasty generalizations.

they will understand, the reason people love men such as this so much, is the majority can relate to his words
The MAJORITY relate because of that very reason THEY ARE THE MAJORITY. They are followers. They are sheep, they do not WANT to be the MINORITY, so they are drawn to people who will make them feel good and candy coat the truth. They are drawn to people who make a spectacle of the living God and have a false form of spirituality. Again, people want to live in their own comfort zone and they do not want to make an ATTEMPT to lead a sin free life. They want to have God and sin, and when someone comes along and basically states you can have both they cling to it like a baby on a tit, but I have news for you. You cannot have it both ways. You will be either hot or cold and because you are lukewarm you will be spit out.

next, i look at main points, yur getting caught up in little things in the article, the main points i see are that there are hypocrisies in christianity and catholisism, which i agree with, a big chunck of christians dont read the bible
First of all, I'm not getting caught up in anything. I am openly rebuking YOU and ANYONE who is in agreement with someone bringing confusion. With that being said, pump your breaks and relax, before you get over your head. Second of all, you have hypocrisies in almost every form of religion, but people need to place emphasis on the TEACHERS/LEADERS who are doing it. After your leadership has been corrected you go on to correct the followers, and the purpose of his article was not to prove any sort of hypocrisy. The point was it was to prove he is not a satanist and to launch back at the so-called christians who made negative remarks about him.

which i agree with, a big chunck of christians dont read the bible, which is true, ive seen it
When was the last time YOU read the bible from cover to cover? Forget about what other christians have done, what have YOU done? You claim to be a christian have you done what God has told you to do? Yes, many christians do NOT read the bible which is why we have people like you and x-raided making generalizations. Yes, many "christians" don't read the bible which is why most churches are now 501 c3, agents of the government and promoters of lies.

he also states many people do not research what is given to them
On teh surface, it seems that he himself has not done any research, and I agree that people do not do the research, but the problem is, when you say "A" does "B" and people DO research "A" and find out that they don't actually do "B" that leaves you (the person who made the claim) in a bad position. If you cannot understand this, seek help (and I mean help in the Lord and not a shrink.)

they go along with christianity, which again i believe is true, plus he says he believes there is a higher power, which i do too, so therfor your statement about u expecting nothing less than me to believe this, was pointless
Again, people do not go along with "christianity". People go along with PAGAN versions of christianity or they go along with whatever convoluted dogma/doctrine that bears a remote resemblance to "christianity." Also, my point was not pointless, nothing I've said is pointless, because somewhere, someone is reading what I am posting and they are grasping it. It may not be important to certain members of the board, but for those who need to grasp it they will.

was pointless, cause the only thing uve disagreed with so far is the definitions of a couple words, which then makes a couple paragraphs, seem general, anyways
Again, generalizations need to stop. Be specific and address the people you are referring to. Do you see me saying ALL CHURCHES ARE 501C3? NO! Why? Because I've done enough research to know they are not. Do you see me claiming all churches have paganism rooted in their church? No, because I've done enough research to know this is not true. Be specific in who you are addressing and make sure you have all your facts straight before you write fables and stories for people with itchy ears...

understand raided got himself in the situation he is, not you, but that is irrelavant to what were debating, cause i never said you did
No, you did not say I did, but you brought it up. YOU were the one who introduced his life and hardships to the topic. You were the one who did so in order to make an EXCUSE as to why he should NOT be specific.

it doesnt matter what put him there, the fact is, hes there
Are you sane? It doesn't matter what put him there? IF IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT PUT HIM THERE WHY IS HE TRYING TO APPEAL? Please, use your brain, and think before you type. It DOES matter why he is there, because the man could be innocent, he could have had his civil rights violated, he could have had inadequate council etc.

so he cant take time away to try and please all the readers with a lengthy and very specific letter.
No, what he can do is please people such as yourself; lukewarm christians who want a candy coated sermon. What he can do is please people who are comfortable with having it both ways.

and also, i agree many churchs are weak, cause a majority of them are caught up in hypocrisies and such, and they do not research the bible.
Judging from your posts I would rank you right along with the best of them.
 
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HERESY said:
Does anyone know how I can get in contact with X-raided? I know he is incarcerated, but does anyone here have an addy or know how I can go about speaking with him or writing him a letter?
I was just gonna suggest that you write a letter to him...

look for a guy named k-nine on here....hes the one that posts these letters up...

I originally got this from the 91Siccness forum....
 
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candy coated, no, but i have talked to people about god, if u immediatly damn them to hell your first time talking to them, you ARE being judgemental, cause who the fuck are you to say their going to hell, honestly, so therefor, you infrorm them of what acts lead a man to hell, and explain to them what hell is, and let them convict themselves if that makes sence, the thing thats comedy about this is you cant stay on a mature level with me, you have to take little shots, so im not even going to continue this, your making a claim that a man shouldnt make generalizations like this, but you think you have me figured out by a couple of posts on the internet, that speaks for itself, thats why i stopped coming to this site, so peace
 
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HERESY said:
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?r=2&q=theist

Belief in the existence of a god or gods, especially belief in a personal God as creator and ruler of the world.
I know what the dictionary says, but that is what is in question. The dictionary only considers how a word is commonly used. I am showing how belief in a demigod or angel does not constitute theism.


HERESY said:
Again, one can lack a belief in a god (meaning they don't worship a "god") or a person can believe God does NOT exist (meaning they do not believe it because they do not have evidence to support the belief.)
What is a "god" aside from the supreme being? It is merely a living entity that has some amount of power within the universe. So are people who believe in aliens also theists? And we don't even have to take it to that level. If you believe that Sai Baba really materializes ash and gold chains from his palms, does that make you a theist? You see, the definition becomes blurry. Someone simply attaches the title "god" or "goddess" onto a being and all of the sudden they are a theist. It is all semantics.


HERESY said:
I assume that most people partaking in this thread have done the same thing, but what is your point? How is this info going to help any of us?
I am just saying that I have come across problems with definitions in these philosophical conversations. I cannot rationally accept someone who believes in Indra (for example) as being a theist based solely on this. In order for theism to be distinct from atheism it must constitute belief in the Supreme Absolute Truth. Here's another thing to consider: What of those people who do not believe in a personal God, but they believe in a supreme intelligence? Are they theists or not? Since theism constitutes belief in God and 'God' implies the Supreme Absolute Truth as having personality, technically one who only believed in an impersonal conception of a supreme intelligence would not be a theist. You see, all these things make the dictionary definitions in need of revising. If I told everyone I believe in Indra but I take him to be an alien who lives on Indraloka, then I wouldn't be a theist since I am not associating the word "god" with this entity. It's all nonsense. Indra lives on the Indra-loka and bob smith lives on the earth-loka. Maybe you haven't met Indra to know he exists. Maybe you haven't met bob smith to know he exists. Both of these entities have some amount of power within the universe. Belief in either of them does not constitute theism.


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No it doesn't. A person can be a polytheist with devotion to several dieties. This person is still a theist because they have a belief IN a god (or gods.)
Your mom is a "goddess". Abracadabra, you're a theist. Anyone can attach "god" or "goddess" to a being and become a theist. "God" must be clearly defined as the Supreme Being otherwise there is no meaning to belief in a god to contrast what constitutes an atheist.


HERESY said:
No, belief IN a god requires some type of devotion. Belief that the gods exist is simply believing that beings with some type of power in the universe exist. Most christians believe the Devil exists. Do they believe IN the devil meaning they WORSHIP him or are devoted to him? No. They have a belief in God.
Remember, the definition you cited from dictionary.com stated, "belief in the existence of a god or gods". In any case, you may believe in your mom; now all you have to do is attach the title of "goddess" to her. Not even belief in the Devil makes one a theist in the same way a devotion for bob smith doesn't constitute theism. Theism, as it should be understood, constitutes a philosophical concept; that of a supreme being. This semi-powerful-god, pseudo-theism sentiment is just a waste of time. In conversation I have found it necessary to make this distinction.


HERESY said:
You believe that Bob smith is god and you worship or devote yourself to him you have a belief in him. If you simply believe he has some amount of power you simply believe he has some amount of power.
I am not talking about believing that bob smith is god, but that he is a god. In other words, I am not considering bob smith as the supreme God, I am considering him simply as a god. But this is meaningless. I'm a god, you're a god... makes no difference. This material nature can be (and is in what I follow) considered a goddess since it is God who impregnates her with the living entities. Although belief in the material universe and nature does not make one a theist. If it does, then everyone is a theist since everyone (I assume) believes in the universe. Atheists who believe in material nature distinguish themselves by rejecting the existence of a supreme God.


HERESY said:
Again, this is not the case, and I suggest you limit your scope to MONOtheist because you have POLYtheist that worship ONE god as the main deity yet worship other gods as represenation of that same deity or entirely DIFFERENT deities altogether.
Those so-called polytheists who believe in various incarnations of the One Supreme God are actually monotheists. It is simply a matter of how you understand the nature of God's oneness. Some Christians believe in a trinity concept. That means that although God is one, He exists in different capacities. He is the Supreme Father, localized in Heaven, and He is also the all-pervasive Holy Spirit. Variegatedness does not compromise oneness. Even if you don't believe in the trinity principle, would you be the one to limit God by saying that He hasn't the ability to manifest before you in Personal form? He can come in Personal form and He will still be all-pervasive. It is not that God takes up one feature and the other feature disappears. God can Personally manifest on earth and still remain in His eternal spiritual abode. God is one, but His oneness is omnipotent. We should not presume to think His oneness is like our limited oneness.

As for those polytheists who believe in a supreme God and entirely different "deities" as well, these are not polytheists since they only believe in one Supreme God. Just go back to my reasoning about what constitutes a theist. Also, belief in "gods" is no different than belief in "angels". It is simply a matter of label. Christians believe in angels through their being closely associated with God. Angels work for God. Therefore according to your reasoning, Christians are polytheist. These "gods" are simply angels. Same concept, different label.